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#181500 by VinnyViolin
Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:39 am
PaperDog wrote:
VinnyViolin wrote:This really reminds me of when my wife ordered some "The Easy Way To Play New Age Piano" instructional video courses off the TV. Sounded just like this around the house for a few weeks until she finally got tired of it. Thank God for yoga! :lol:

Not bad, but needs a little bit of expressive dynamic variation to escape that cloying pedantic plinking effect. :D


This, comming from somebody who posted a 'Chipmunks on STeroids' sound munch... Vinny, Before you go on and on and on on and on and on and on on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on like this, about other peoples music, would it be a good idea to post some of your own fabulous , mind boggling samples for the rest of us to admire., first? Just askin... :?


You said that your hamsters liked my music!? :? Well, since you are begging for more ....
My latest composition is now available, for a limited time only, on my bandmix page.

#181501 by JCP61
Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:40 am
VinnyViolin wrote:This really reminds me of when my wife ordered some "The Easy Way To Play New Age Piano" instructional video courses off the TV. Sounded just like this around the house for a few weeks until she finally got tired of it. Thank God for yoga! :lol:

Not bad, but needs a little bit of expressive dynamic variation to escape that cloying pedantic plinking effect. :D


well, no doubt, your next offering will help me with that,

#181503 by JCP61
Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:42 am
jimmydanger wrote:Nice job JC! Not sure why the label World Fusion, there's little World or Fusion in the music. More like New Age Baroque (I almost heard a fugue in there at one point). Definitely the freshest thing I've heard on BM for a while.



thank you, your very generous.
I'm glad you enjoyed it.


the label was not important. I don't really understand any of the labels they offer but you must choose one.
labels are silly when you think about it.

#181671 by Planetguy
Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:38 pm
some nice moves in there. i'm guessing the right and left hand were recorded in two different passes, yes?

obviously i don't know what keyboard you recorded that on but if you have the option of adjusting the compression and/or dynamic range i think that'd be a big plus. for my ears having everything evened out that much at the same level can quickly lead to listening fatigue and sound a little too sterile.

of course maybe the compression came along from whatever program you used to record.

thanks for sharing. keep 'em coming.

#181812 by JCP61
Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:30 pm
Well I am very happy you enjoyed it,


Planetguy wrote:some nice moves in there. i'm guessing the right and left hand were recorded in two different passes, yes?


what makes you say that?



Planetguy wrote:
obviously i don't know what keyboard you recorded that on but if you have the option of adjusting the compression and/or dynamic range i think that'd be a big plus. for my ears having everything evened out that much at the same level can quickly lead to listening fatigue and sound a little too sterile.

of course maybe the compression came along from whatever program you used to record.

thanks for sharing. keep 'em coming.


I believe that if you get the volume up to the limit of your system ear fatigue will not be an issue, though I am not clear what ear fatigue is actually.

no compression was intentionally used, though I understand converting from WAV to mp3 is a form of compression.
can't avoid that really.

#181843 by VinnyViolin
Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:32 am
JCP61 wrote:Well I am very happy you enjoyed it,


Planetguy wrote:some nice moves in there. i'm guessing the right and left hand were recorded in two different passes, yes?


what makes you say that?



Planetguy wrote:
obviously i don't know what keyboard you recorded that on but if you have the option of adjusting the compression and/or dynamic range i think that'd be a big plus. for my ears having everything evened out that much at the same level can quickly lead to listening fatigue and sound a little too sterile.

of course maybe the compression came along from whatever program you used to record.

thanks for sharing. keep 'em coming.


I believe that if you get the volume up to the limit of your system ear fatigue will not be an issue, though I am not clear what ear fatigue is actually.

no compression was intentionally used, though I understand converting from WAV to mp3 is a form of compression.
can't avoid that really.


Ear fatigue is what occurs when listening to your song.

Planetguy would be referring to:
In the realm of audio, "Audio dynamic range compression, also called audio level compression, in which the dynamic range, the difference between loud and quiet, of an audio waveform is reduced"

As opposed to:
"Audio data compression algorithms almost all rely on psychoacoustics to eliminate less audible or meaningful sounds, thereby reducing the space required to store or transmit them."


:D

#181874 by VinnyViolin
Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:53 am
Maybe the fatigue is not from a real piano, poorly mic'd, with too much compression ..... but maybe what our ears suffer from is the static harmonics and resonance of a sampled piano from an older or cheaper synth? And maybe that synth that lacks velocity or has it turned off? Overcompensated for by too much "room" ambiance? A very stuffy midrangy resonance sort of smothers the life out of it.

#181967 by JCP61
Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:36 am
VinnyViolin wrote:
JCP61 wrote:Well I am very happy you enjoyed it,


Planetguy wrote:some nice moves in there. i'm guessing the right and left hand were recorded in two different passes, yes?


what makes you say that?



Planetguy wrote:
obviously i don't know what keyboard you recorded that on but if you have the option of adjusting the compression and/or dynamic range i think that'd be a big plus. for my ears having everything evened out that much at the same level can quickly lead to listening fatigue and sound a little too sterile.

of course maybe the compression came along from whatever program you used to record.

thanks for sharing. keep 'em coming.


I believe that if you get the volume up to the limit of your system ear fatigue will not be an issue, though I am not clear what ear fatigue is actually.

no compression was intentionally used, though I understand converting from WAV to mp3 is a form of compression.
can't avoid that really.


Ear fatigue is what occurs when listening to your song.

Planetguy would be referring to:
In the realm of audio, "Audio dynamic range compression, also called audio level compression, in which the dynamic range, the difference between loud and quiet, of an audio waveform is reduced"

As opposed to:
"Audio data compression algorithms almost all rely on psychoacoustics to eliminate less audible or meaningful sounds, thereby reducing the space required to store or transmit them."


:D


shut up stupid

#181993 by VinnyViolin
Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:54 am
JCP61 wrote:
VinnyViolin wrote:
JCP61 wrote:Well I am very happy you enjoyed it,


Planetguy wrote:some nice moves in there. i'm guessing the right and left hand were recorded in two different passes, yes?


what makes you say that?



Planetguy wrote:
obviously i don't know what keyboard you recorded that on but if you have the option of adjusting the compression and/or dynamic range i think that'd be a big plus. for my ears having everything evened out that much at the same level can quickly lead to listening fatigue and sound a little too sterile.

of course maybe the compression came along from whatever program you used to record.

thanks for sharing. keep 'em coming.


I believe that if you get the volume up to the limit of your system ear fatigue will not be an issue, though I am not clear what ear fatigue is actually.

no compression was intentionally used, though I understand converting from WAV to mp3 is a form of compression.
can't avoid that really.


Ear fatigue is what occurs when listening to your song.

Planetguy would be referring to:
In the realm of audio, "Audio dynamic range compression, also called audio level compression, in which the dynamic range, the difference between loud and quiet, of an audio waveform is reduced"

As opposed to:
"Audio data compression algorithms almost all rely on psychoacoustics to eliminate less audible or meaningful sounds, thereby reducing the space required to store or transmit them."


:D


shut up stupid

Yes, your Highness!!!!! :lol:

#182014 by Lynard Dylan
Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:26 pm
:lol:
#182039 by Vampier
Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:26 pm
.... excellent advise. Please ignore the Trolls idiotic remarks. I listened to your musical piece and was impressed. I had no expectations good or bad and was curious as I like very much the title.

I confess that I do not really like music of this nature but do like some for various reasons from time to time and always respect someone's creative abilities. Your skill and talents are undeniable. Any who fail to see or hear this are of no consequence.

I felt it was complex yet very direct which is difficult to accomplish in any medium. It would have been rather confusing if it did not accomplish this I think. My favourite thing about it is that it is Highly Individualistic and I salute you in this ...very impressive.

It for me recalls the flurry of mankind. It is powerfully expressive and mixes it's complexities so well that there is no confusion. What most have said about it I can understand and agree with. Very well done.

Most of all it has furthered my conception of "who" you are in a most probably very shallow way since we do not really know one another aside from this Forum. I could go on as we all know but the soul of the piece comes from the mist so brightly that any techy implications or whatevers simply fall and vanish into obscurity...where they belong. Ta
#182042 by Planetguy
Wed Aug 15, 2012 5:11 pm
Vampier wrote: but the soul of the piece comes from the mist so brightly that any techy implications or whatevers simply fall and vanish into obscurity...where they belong. Ta


whether misty or musty...."techy implications" are most certainly relevant to (most) folks who present their music to others.

that's why people spend good money on the best equipment they can afford...and that's why they take the time to learn how to use them to best advantage.

i think most people do prefer to hear stuff that was recorded well and presents the music w it's best foot forward. otherwise we'd still be recording our music on a cheap $50 portable cassette deck w $.99 cassettes we bought from Radio Shack.

keep in mind that many folks consider the ART of capturing a performance an important and satisfying part of the whole creative process.

there's just no reason not to present your tunes in their best light.

if the goal is to clearly communicate ideas and feelings... it's best not to distract w poor sound quality.

listening to a piece of music that is overly compressed (esp when it's one solo instrument) is much like listening to someone who speaks in a monotone w no inflection or dynamics and a stone face showing zero emotion. the content of what they're saying might be great.....but it's not gonna be very engaging over a period of time.
#182072 by JCP61
Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:56 pm
Vampier wrote:.... excellent advise. Please ignore the Trolls idiotic remarks. I listened to your musical piece and was impressed. I had no expectations good or bad and was curious as I like very much the title.

I confess that I do not really like music of this nature but do like some for various reasons from time to time and always respect someone's creative abilities. Your skill and talents are undeniable. Any who fail to see or hear this are of no consequence.

I felt it was complex yet very direct which is difficult to accomplish in any medium. It would have been rather confusing if it did not accomplish this I think. My favourite thing about it is that it is Highly Individualistic and I salute you in this ...very impressive.

It for me recalls the flurry of mankind. It is powerfully expressive and mixes it's complexities so well that there is no confusion. What most have said about it I can understand and agree with. Very well done.

Most of all it has furthered my conception of "who" you are in a most probably very shallow way since we do not really know one another aside from this Forum. I could go on as we all know but the soul of the piece comes from the mist so brightly that any techy implications or whatevers simply fall and vanish into obscurity...where they belong. Ta


well I appreciate the listen, and the compliments.
it is not easy to muster the patients it takes to contemplate unappealing art.
you have my gratitude.
#182073 by Vampier
Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:01 pm
... Planet Guy ... I am afraid that "(most folks)" or "most people" or "many folks" are of really no concern to me in these aspects as they are of a more personal nature. Neither is being overly concerned and hampered by techy issues. I am not making light of your logical and relevant views and I do believein a "general" and "basic" way that what you state is important but.... it is not the main thrust of any creative process. "Good Money" ??? is there really such a thing ? I am certain that there are many out there who utterly support you and what you have stated so well. It has great relevance but ... it is not the "soul" only a trapping. I simply believe in another way.

Modern technology has allowed the nerdy, the techy and talentless to record, edit, overlay and "season" note by note their "creation". I prefer guitarists who can take a beatup acoustic missing an E and play a song, a vocalist who can sing unaccompanied, a drummer who can beat a tune on logs if nothing else is around, a keyboardist who can play an out of tune uncompressed old musty piano and compose something beautiful.

I was a Punk and you could never be. I have heard excellent compositions on radio shack cassettes. I have slept in my own vomit and that of others, been uncomfotable, dirty, exhausted and pissed for days and performed on top of municipal toilets. I have sang through guitar amps, megaphones and in stairwells in old English churches to capture an elusive "ancient echo" that no technical equipment can ever reproduce. My baby blanket was an old grey wool Wehrmacht blanket ... your was probably something blue and soft and velvety..

We are different and in our of how ... I actually have come to see we agree on many things. Everything you relate is relative and factual ... we merely have different priorities...the body with a Spirit ... the Spirit with a body ...

Of course everyone wants their music to sound the best it can etc. etc. be recorded on the best equipment etc. etc. and have it porchased with "good money" but ... let me put it this way ... if I had to pull out hair from my cat to make paint brushes to paint with I would.

There is the well worn debate of is photography Art ? I believe it to be and some do not ... but ... aphoto of a Masterpiece in oil is not itself a Masterpiece of photography. One can become lost in "tech issues" or blinded by science, so much so that they lose track of their original intent and expression.

Living in the US and having a credit card so not having to starve to buy that Marshal or imported Fender puts one in touch with reality and it's relationship to the creative process...what is important ...real Art and the essence of creativity ..."the Soul". If one has not experienced this then one can not possibly know. I have no idea of your history but you do seem to have "lived" a bit, exactly how sweaty and dirty I do not know so I make no judgement.

The goal is to create despite distractions of poor sound quality, inferior equipment purchased with "bad money", what most folks think and compression issues ... to me. If the "Soul" of the music is there then it shines through the mist of all this.

Live Performance is far superior to studio recording for me. Once again everything you say has some relevance but in the end ... for me ... we have different goals. I try to express my opinions as my own and devoid of other folks. I do not advocate any single "right opinion" ( these words together are rather laughable anyway) I like hearing yours as they are just as relevant as my own. I simply wish for you to recognize the relevance of mine in the same manner. But if you can not then so be it. Verbal sparring can always be entertaining and beneficial if it is done with someone like yourself. Ta
#182074 by JCP61
Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:09 pm
Planetguy wrote:
Vampier wrote: but the soul of the piece comes from the mist so brightly that any techy implications or whatevers simply fall and vanish into obscurity...where they belong. Ta


whether misty or musty...."techy implications" are most certainly relevant to (most) folks who present their music to others.

that's why people spend good money on the best equipment they can afford...and that's why they take the time to learn how to use them to best advantage.

i think most people do prefer to hear stuff that was recorded well and presents the music w it's best foot forward. otherwise we'd still be recording our music on a cheap $50 portable cassette deck w $.99 cassettes we bought from Radio Shack.

keep in mind that many folks consider the ART of capturing a performance an important and satisfying part of the whole creative process.

there's just no reason not to present your tunes in their best light.

if the goal is to clearly communicate ideas and feelings... it's best not to distract w poor sound quality.

listening to a piece of music that is overly compressed (esp when it's one solo instrument) is much like listening to someone who speaks in a monotone w no inflection or dynamics and a stone face showing zero emotion. the content of what they're saying might be great.....but it's not gonna be very engaging over a period of time.


that reminds me of a quote

any 99 cent flash light will light your way in the dead of night.
it takes a really expensive and brilliant one to light the way in the noon day sun.

I mean come on.
I have no idea what your using to listen to this
I'd be willing to bet it some Chinese computer speakers.
with set a cones that are no more than 1-1/4" in diam.
trying to tell me you have some clue as to the original production sound is really pointless.
if you had some forethought you would realize that you are being sold into a box, to match the tech currently being pushed.
the ear spam that passes for sound quality these days is beyond intolerable.
if you need a $2000.00 box to tell the difference between intervals
then i pity you.

pop in some lady gaga and give your tired ears a break.

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