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If someone who actually knows the nuances of government spending inside and out -- say, the Congressional Budget Office or any number of independent organizations -- tells me the government need more money, I'm willing to believe they legitimately need more money.

In Calif they ALWAYS say we need more tax money... they lie. CA and NY already have the highest taxes in the country and we have some of the poorest schools and roads. We get very little return on our investment in government here. More taxes can't fix stupid.

If you really want to see how bad it is going to get read "Fool Me Twice". It gives fearless leaders playbook for a second term of "Hope and change".

Things like wages being be normalized... in other words everyone gets the same pay regardless of occupation or skill. Or how about the fairness in property owning? Many of the progressives believe that whether you have paid off your house, or if you are buying your house, it should be the property of the government when you die, and not be passed on to your children. Kids still living at home? The gov knows how to get them out of your (Their) house.

How about what fearless leader is suggesting on his present campaign? He says the government should take over all business and run it as he has the government motors. (Which incidentally cost taxpayers a bundle. We are owed 40 billion on that bail our, GM does not have to pay taxes for 25 years, and tax incentives and loans have been also given to foreign car companies in the deal. Taxpayers gave another car company money to pay off a debt that they owe the government. Actually, if I remember right about 4 billion on a 7 billion loan. So we are paying another company money to pay back a loan they owe taxpayers.

Want specifics? Download the Levin08092012 replay from Mark Levin radio program archive. Some specifics are given from the book "Fool Me Twice" near the end of the show. There is a lot of information.... not put out buy ether libs or the right that detail stuff going on that you will never hear about on the nightly news or political programs.

If you think that this stuff is propaganda you will have a rude awakening in the near future. (Should we continue to call it that)

RUSH LIMBAUGH tells it like it is SOCIALISIM DOES NOT WORK!!!!!!!!!!!
it cost money to live you have to pay yor own way people!!!!!!!! if you want water then you have to pay the guy who owns the water for it. it is really that simple. LIFE IS NOT FREE!!!!!! if you cant find a job and pay for yor water and food then you dont deserve to live
is that simple enuff people?

More taxes can't fix stupid.

Have you ever heard anyone claim they could?

Sadly yes I do. Every day from politicians in Sacramento: "If we only taxed the wealthiest another 3%, If we only raise gas taxes 10 cents/gal, If we only increased sales tax 1/2% all our problems would be solved and we won't have to close schools and lay off fire fighters" (always the not-so-subtle threat).

It's BS. We need leadership, not more tax money. Sac. already has more money than any other state and they are bankrupt by spending it like drunken sailors on fluff that only benefits special interest groups. Never give an addict another fix.

"He says the government should take over all business and run it as he has the government motors."

and when and where did he say that, slackerg??? damn,there's nothing worse than a fool and a liar.

whatever it takes to make your point huh???

all you angry as hell right wingers are all lacking something...well, several things but one i see as a common trait.....you're all missing the compassion gene.

hey, you got YOURS...screw everyone else, right?

i can only imagine you living during the depression ...a mom and her hungry children show up at your door.....and you go into a rant of how the gov't is to blame and that she needs to take care of herself...patting yourself on the back for not being on the dole.....as you slam the door in her face.

yep, when the compassion gene was handed out...you guys got shortchanged.

all you angry as hell right wingers are all lacking something...well, several things but one i see as a common trait.....you're all missing the compassion gene.

hey, you got YOURS...screw everyone else, right?

i can only imagine you living during the depression ...a mom and her hungry children show up at your door.....and you go into a rant of how the gov't is to blame and that she needs to take care of herself...patting yourself on the back for not being on the dole.....as you slam the door in her face.

yep, when the compassion gene was handed out...you guys got shortchanged.

Sorry Planet, barking up the wrong tree now but that is a tragic mistake so often made by the left. I gave $20k to feed/cloth/house the needy last year. You??

We regularly serve homeless with our Citylink program locally, my wife and daughter flew to Detroit last month ($1000 each out of pocket) and spent 5 days doing outreach for the people of that once great city because it has such great need right now. We also support children on 3 continents who otherwise have little or no hope.

No, compassion for less fortunate we have in spades. We simply believe that it should be applied directly, face-to-face rather than through miserable government programs where half the money gets stolen to fund pet projects. Government assistance is the last, worst alternative.

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The world is coming to an end ?

Lord . . . I hope so.

Rush Limbaugh is an immoral drug-abuser and liar who said it's OK to cheat on your wife if she's dying. Nice role model Wizard of Oz.

RUSH LIMBAUGH tells it like it is SOCIALISIM DOES NOT WORK!!!!!!!!!!!
it cost money to live you have to pay yor own way people!!!!!!!! if you want water then you have to pay the guy who owns the water for it. it is really that simple. LIFE IS NOT FREE!!!!!! if you cant find a job and pay for yor water and food then you dont deserve to live
is that simple enuff people?

I wish I lived in your fantasy world where luck and circumstance don't exist, and everyone can get a job and become entirely self-sufficient solely by the strength of their own efforts. As it happens, it's not that easy. Not everyone has the skills or the physical ability to go out and get any job they please. Not everyone lives in an area where there are good jobs available. Not everyone has the education to get a good job, or the opportunity to get that education. And so on and so forth -- the point being, people may have the desire to support themselves, but they don't necessarily have the ability.

This, as I see it, is the fundamental difference between liberals and conservatives. Conservatives seem to assume we're all on a level playing field, while liberals recognize that we're not and that inequality of opportunity exists in the real world. Ironically, when liberals attempt to create that same level playing field, it's denounced as "socialism" and "redistributing wealth." Granted, there are a handful of bona fide socialists in this country (when you've learned to spell "socialism," look up what it actually means -- it's not the same thing as communism a la Soviet Russia). But I think what most American liberals want is simply to get everyone to the same starting place where conservatives assume we already are.

In other words, we're not saying everyone should have the same wages and the same quality of life regardless of how hard they work (equality of results). We're just saying they should have the same potential for success as anyone else -- that is, the same opportunity to succeed or fail by the strength of their own efforts.

nobuddy ever said life was fair and easy there tinkerbell. Life is tuff and only the STRONG MAKE IT!!!!!!!! if your to weak to work then you better get yor ass down to a church and start beliving in JESUS for a change!!!!!!!!! GOD made sum men kings and others pesants so sum people have more land and more rites than others becus that is GODS plan it is not for us to try and understan that.

Code: Select allNot everyone has the means to "get off their lazy asses," as you so eloquently put it.  They might not have the same educational opportunities available, for instance, as a relatively well-off, middle-class, white American would.  And even if they had the [i]potential[/i] to earn $85K, there's no guarantee that they actually [i]would[/i] earn $85K

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Penguin, Not everybody actually 'needs' my tax money either , but many are just as happy to take it from me anyway... And those are the lazy asses I'm talking about. As for lack of opportunity..I call BULL-PHUKIN-SHIT x 10.

Dude, I am the biggest dumb-ass on the planet and even 'I' have the capability to reign in a 6 digit figure. Wanna know how i do it? Are you ready... here it comes.... the answer...the big secret... here it is: I WORK MY PHUKIN ASS OFF FOR IT! Now, If I can do it...SO CAN YOU (Barring that you aren't profoundly disabled and incapacitated somehow) . That salient point seems to escape young Americans today, more than ever before....

Code: Select allYes, I'm aware how much charity the rich provide the nation.  The government isn't a charity, and for the most part it's not out to compete with private business and non-profit organizations.  And it's certainly not the government's job to buy you crappy wine to use as oven cleaner, though they do a pretty good job of delivering the mail on time and -- I can't emphasize this enough -- keeping our country from descending into a state of lawless anarchy.

Are your really aware Penguin? Seriously, If you knew that some guys give millions of dollars a year to help their brothers and sister, why the PHUK would you demand that they pay 'extraordinary amounts of tax". Your a NASA fan aren't you? You think the third party donaters AREN'T deserving of the Tax breaks that Uncle Sam gives them for their contribution? If the government sees this, why cant you?

Code: Select all(The Postal Service is probably a bad example since I think it's funded entirely from postage fees, not taxpayer money, but I'm not an expert on government spending.  Which is [i]exactly why[/i] I trust the experts, not my own gut feelings -- it's their job to know what they're talking about, not mine!)

Is your (un-written) duty to be informed..so that your vote has real magnitude.

Code: Select all[quote="PaperDog"]I guess the "militant " portion of her logic might seem fuzzy...[/quote]
All militant logic is fuzzy.  If you think you have a simple solution for something as big and complicated as taxation and government spending, you don't.  After all, if it were really that easy, don't you think they would have done it that way already?[/quote] 

Actually, youre wrong about that Penguin. My solution is the best one of all..3 percent across the board... Its called membership dues and the nation can then invest that 3% in foreign markets to get a return on any difference we are missing. We are happy, They are happy, everybody is happy. WHy would you want to deprive us of that Penguin?

nobuddy ever said life was fair and easy there tinkerbell. Life is tuff and only the STRONG MAKE IT!!!!!!!! if your to weak to work then you better get yor ass down to a church and start beliving in JESUS for a change!!!!!!!!! GOD made sum men kings and others pesants so sum people have more land and more rites than others becus that is GODS plan it is not for us to try and understan that.

Did you just move here from the 5th century? "Sum" men have more land and "rites" than others because it's God's plan?? And I suppose it's you or morons like you who interpret God's plan? You are no doubt the biggest dumbass I've ever seen of this board and I've seen a lot of them. Your parents must be so proud.

all you angry as hell right wingers are all lacking something...well, several things but one i see as a common trait.....you're all missing the compassion gene.

hey, you got YOURS...screw everyone else, right?

i can only imagine you living during the depression ...a mom and her hungry children show up at your door.....and you go into a rant of how the gov't is to blame and that she needs to take care of herself...patting yourself on the back for not being on the dole.....as you slam the door in her face.

yep, when the compassion gene was handed out...you guys got shortchanged.

Sorry Planet, barking up the wrong tree now but that is a tragic mistake so often made by the left. I gave $20k to feed/cloth/house the needy last year. You??

We regularly serve homeless with our Citylink program locally, my wife and daughter flew to Detroit last month ($1000 each out of pocket) and spent 5 days doing outreach for the people of that once great city because it has such great need right now. We also support children on 3 continents who otherwise have little or no hope.

No, compassion for less fortunate we have in spades. We simply believe that it should be applied directly, face-to-face rather than through miserable government programs where half the money gets stolen to fund pet projects. Government assistance is the last, worst alternative.

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J7Band...i should be getting my butt out the door and to the gig but i need to take the time to offer up an apology.

of course i KNOW that not "all you angry as hell right wingers are lacking compassion".

my bad putting that way.

and now i certainly know not to include YOU in that group! you and your wife obviously have your priorities and hearts in the right place.

sadly i did not earn enough last yr. to offer up 20K for those less fortunate than myself.

so, in addition to my apology...i hope you'll also accept my thanks for your (and your wife's) good work.

RUSH LIMBAUGH tells it like it is SOCIALISIM DOES NOT WORK!!!!!!!!!!!
it cost money to live you have to pay yor own way people!!!!!!!! if you want water then you have to pay the guy who owns the water for it. it is really that simple. LIFE IS NOT FREE!!!!!! if you cant find a job and pay for yor water and food then you dont deserve to live
is that simple enuff people?

I wish I lived in your fantasy world where luck and circumstance don't exist, and everyone can get a job and become entirely self-sufficient solely by the strength of their own efforts. As it happens, it's not that easy. Not everyone has the skills or the physical ability to go out and get any job they please. Not everyone lives in an area where there are good jobs available. Not everyone has the education to get a good job, or the opportunity to get that education. And so on and so forth -- the point being, people may have the desire to support themselves, but they don't necessarily have the ability.

1) Move out of there and into a city that has Jobs... I did it ...It works!
2) I had no skills when i ventured out... Guess what I did... I done went and Got me some skills. If I can...then YOU can...
3) Most of the skills I done went and gots , started inna classroom. I washed dishes and did other menial BS like a lackey, during my first 6 years of college

This, as I see it, is the fundamental difference between liberals and conservatives. Conservatives seem to assume we're all on a level playing field, while liberals recognize that we're not and that inequality of opportunity exists in the real world.

Change the way you see it then... How about: Conservatives don't let nobody , or No thang stand in their way of pursuing success. We tends to NOT whine when we have to roll up ours sleeves and actually work at something. Its the most obvious Phuckin answer in all of the universe and most liberals just dodge that truth . I dunno why...but they do..

Ironically, when liberals attempt to create that same level playing field, it's denounced as "socialism" and "redistributing wealth." Granted, there are a handful of bona fide socialists in this country (when you've learned to spell "socialism," look up what it actually means -- it's not the same thing as communism a la Soviet Russia). But I think what most American liberals want is simply to get everyone to the same starting place where conservatives assume we already are.

We conservatives applaud (and reward) hard workers... Not short-cutters. If a conservative walks into a restaurant, broke; he might offer to wash dishes , sweep floors just for the privilege of left over scraps. A liberal walks in, he's gotta insist on gravy with those fresh biscuits and hell do everything he can to avoid offering the labor in exchange, unless there is no way to escape it and hide it from view. That's the real fundamental difference.

In other words, we're not saying everyone should have the same wages and the same quality of life regardless of how hard they work (equality of results). We're just saying they should have the same potential for success as anyone else -- that is, the same opportunity to succeed or fail by the strength of their own efforts.

Yeah? well good luck with that misguided perception... Where does this expectation come from? I mean, why do you believe that anybody owes you the potential for success... Go out there, dude, and make your own damn success... America guarentees that no goose steppers will stand in your way. But for everything else, you are on your own pal... If you conquer that, and then you feel charitable anyway, welcome to the world of self-actualized winners circle !

We conservatives applaud (and reward) hard workers... Not short-cutters. If a conservative walks into a restaurant, broke; he might offer to wash dishes , sweep floors just for the privilege of left over scraps. A liberal walks in, he's gotta insist on gravy with those fresh biscuits and hell do everything he can to avoid offering the labor in exchange, unless there is no way to escape it and hide it from view. That's the real fundamental difference.


damn p-dawg....generalize much??????

sorry my friend but that's some of the most trite and lazy assed assumanatin' i've ever seen!

yeah, right! ALL conservative (including those who've never worked a day in their lives cos they're family is old money) are "hard workers"???? really?

and all liberals are lazy loafing slobs only asking for more????

if that's what your life experience has shown i really have to wonder about your life's experience (much as you had questioned mine the other day).

i might not agree w most conservative dogma but i'd never make dumbed down assertions as to any political group's work ethic.

dude.. and then you talk about "misguided perceptions"???

damn p-dawg....generalize much??????

sorry my friend but that's some of the most trite and lazy assed assumanatin' i've ever seen!

yeah, right! ALL conservative (including those who've never worked a day in their lives cos they're family is old money) are "hard workers"???? really?

and all liberals are lazy loafing slobs only asking for more????

if that's what your life experience has shown i really have to wonder about your life's experience (much as you had questioned mine the other day).

I'm sorry Planetguy... When I used the word "we", I did not mean it to be "ALL" Maybe I just lack the ability to articulate.

Now, I just have to point out. that you, being a liberal and all ...may not have noticed the lack of vehemency on your part, when Penguin made his sweeping Statements about Conservatives and liberals...albeit classy compare & contrast method that he used... Mind you, I'm not complaining..I'm just rather feeling suspicious right now...

Neither you and I have experienced the kind of Conservative wealth that you alluded to in your statement ( and How do I assuminate this...cause if you did have the wealth, you would have bought this web site and maybe kicked me off of it!... ;P)
My point being, perhaps you are unaware of the work it takes to 'keep' wealth... especially when you consider all those loafing liberals who try to take it away, like a raid on Indiana Jones City of Tombs

i might not agree w most conservative dogma but i'd never make dumbed down assertions as to any political group's work ethic.

dude.. and then you talk about "misguided perceptions"???

Perhaps 'Misguided perceptions' was a tad inadequate My inner mullet was really screaming silently: "outright blind..." :

As for my life experience, I worked bars and resturaunts for a long time in my youth.

I had many customers who walked in with shirts and ties during the lunch hour... Also had a few long-haired hippy freak folk walk in at lunch. Invariably , with minor exception, The folks with the shirts and ties were less demanding, and always left bigger tips... whereas the long-haired hippy freaks (a broad definition for a variety of true liberal minded folk..and not all bad) , were typically more demanding ...and damned if they ever tipped...

Now, at this stagem, let your assuminators run wild... you can rationalize all kinds of stuff about this... But them's was the facts I observed directly on a regular basis...

Now, here's the punchline..

When I worked them jobs... I was one of those long haired hippy freaks... and them non tipping customers i mentioned .. They were my buds or buds of my buds.... STILL they were the worst phukin tippers I ever encountered and they insisted on gravey with their free biscuits... (Literally)