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#179964 by VinnyViolin
Sat Jul 28, 2012 4:46 am
Agent provocateur
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Traditionally, an agent provocateur (plural: agents provocateurs, French for "inciting agent(s)") is an agent employed by the police or other entity to act undercover to entice or provoke another person to commit an illegal act. More generally, the term may refer to a person or group that seeks to discredit or harm another by provoking them to commit a wrong or rash action.



Common usage

An agent provocateur may be a police officer or a secret agent of police who encourages suspects to carry out a crime under conditions where evidence can be obtained; or who suggests the commission of a crime to another, in hopes they will go along with the suggestion and be convicted of the crime.

A political organization or government may use agents provocateurs against political opponents. The provocateurs try to incite the opponent to do counter-productive or ineffective acts to foster public disdain—or provide a pretext for aggression against the opponent (see Red-baiting).

Historically, labor spies, hired to infiltrate, monitor, disrupt, or subvert union activities, have used agent provocateur tactics.

Agent provocateur activities raise ethical and legal issues. In common law jurisdictions, the legal concept of entrapment may apply if the main impetus for the crime was the provocateur.





Russia

In the "Trust Operation" (1921–1926), the Soviet State Political Directorate (OGPU) set up a fake anti-Bolshevik underground organization, "Monarchist Union of Central Russia". The main success of this operation was luring Boris Savinkov and Sidney Reilly into the Soviet Union, where they were arrested and executed.
United States

In the United States, the COINTELPRO program of the Federal Bureau of Investigation had FBI agents pose as political radicals to disrupt the activities of political groups in the U.S., such as the Black Panthers, Ku Klux Klan, and the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee.

New York City police officers were accused of acting as agents provocateurs during protests against the 2004 Republican National Convention in New York City.[4]

Denver police officers were also found to have used undercover detectives to instigate violence against police during the 2008 Democratic National Convention. This ultimately resulted in the use of pepper spray against their own infiltrating agents.[5]
Europe

Notorious were the activities of agents provocateurs against revolutionaries in Imperial Russia. Yevno Azef and Father Gapon are examples of such provocateurs.

Sir John Retcliffe was an agent provocateur for the Prussian secret police.

At the 2001 G8 summit in Genoa, police and security services infiltrated black blocs with agents provocateurs. Allegations first surfaced after video footage in which "men in black were seen getting out of police vans near protest marches" [6][7]

Francesco Cossiga, former head of secret services and Head of state of Italy, advised the 2008 minister in charge of the police, on how to deal with the protests from teachers and students:[8]

He should do what I did when I was Minister of the Interior. [...] infiltrate the movement with agents provocateurs inclined to do anything [...] And after that, with the strength of the gained population consent, [...] beat them for blood and beat for blood also those teachers that incite them. Especially the teachers. Not the elderly, of course, but the girl teachers yes.

It is alleged by British Liberal Democrat MP Tom Brake that the Metropolitan Police made use of agents provocateurs during the G20 Protests in London.[9]

After the 2011 anti-cuts protest in London, a video filmed by the BBC was distributed throughout the internet, which might show an alleged agent provocateur being passed through police lines after displaying his identification to the officers. There are other explanations however, such as the man being a member of press. [10]
Canada

On August 20, 2007, during meetings of the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America in Montebello, three protesters were accused of being police provocateurs by Dave Coles, president of the Communications, Energy and Paperworkers Union of Canada. The three masked protesters, one of whom was notably armed with a large rock, were asked to leave by protest organizers. After the three protesters breached the police line, they were brought to the ground, handcuffed, and taken away. The evidence that the arrested people were police provocateurs was circumstantial, including the fact that they were wearing boots identical to those worn by police.[11]

After the protest, the police force initially denied then later admitted that three of their officers disguised themselves as demonstrators; however, they denied that the officers were provoking the crowd and instigating violence.[12] The police released a news release in French where they stated "At no time did the police of the Sûreté du Québec act as instigators or commit criminal acts" and that "at all times, they responded within their mandate to keep order and security".[13] In a more recent example, according to a report issued by the commission for public complaints against the RCMP, at the 2010 G20 summit held in Toronto, at least two plainclothes police officers posing as protesters were among those arrested, suggesting that the tactic has been employed on more than one occasion in Canada.[14]
See also
Look up provocateur in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.

Astroturfing
Entrapment
Sting operation
Informant
Grant Bristow
False flag terrorist actions
Security culture
Black Bloc
COINTELPRO
Terry Norman
----- just sayin' :lol:
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#180008 by Vampier
Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:48 pm
... Many times since the First Beginning there have been those who can not see ... can not hear ... can not ..feel ... can not think critically. As tiresome as this may be all fruit from time to time is tainted. It is the dame with men. Countless examples of this lie buried in the ashes of history.

It is so easy for these "creatures" to poke fun at those who dig the holes despite their own lack of ability to do so. They criticize a composition music, literary or oral despite their lack ok skill to even "create" upon the most basis levels. They pepper mankind, being the human blight and setting constant examples of what not to do ... not to be ... as they try desperately to feed the hunger of their own inadequacy by attempting to belittle the accomplishments of others. They are present in every primary school in the world and unlike others ... they never grow up. They lie, steal. insult, cheat, pretend and spiel forth the verbal diarrhea which comes so naturally from the kind of orifice they are.

Apparently this gives them some sort of self justification for their sad and tragic existence in the beginning but after it's abject failure in the long term , this somehow comes to give them pleasure. It is at this point that they then become a disease, infested with evil and devoid of Honour. Like mosquitoes one tolerates them but every once in a while the opportunity presents itself when one can swat them out of existence. I strongly encourage this activity wheever and where ever it is possible. It is rather much like taking out the garbage.

During these last moments much is being revealed. Those who are men, those who are cowards, those who are Artists, those who are not, those who truly Love and those who do not and those who are Patriots and those who are not. Live Well Die Well Ta

#180018 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Sun Jul 29, 2012 2:10 am
"Live well, Die well"

If that is from Vamp, that is even better. I don't who wrote it, but with every birth, there is a death sentence. Meaning the body shall cease.

In the between time if it is going to be a free romp, then I should take better care of my friends, and deepest loves.

That is just one small comment on that very tiny ending, of a very eloquent post.

Don't get me started. Vamp is being formal and gentle about things that are blatant open attacks on human individuals.
None of which needs any defense.
Destruction of the individual is the destruction of all mankind.

#180021 by PaperDog
Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:12 am
GLENNY J wrote:"Live well, Die well"

If that is from Vamp, that is even better. I don't who wrote it, but with every birth, there is a death sentence. Meaning the body shall cease.

In the between time if it is going to be a free romp, then I should take better care of my friends, and deepest loves.

That is just one small comment on that very tiny ending, of a very eloquent post.

Don't get me started. Vamp is being formal and gentle about things that are blatant open attacks on human individuals.
None of which needs any defense.
Destruction of the individual is the destruction of all mankind.


If I had known I was gonna live this long, I would have taken better care of my clothes... :lol:
#180032 by VinnyViolin
Sun Jul 29, 2012 4:41 pm
Vampier wrote:Apparently this gives them some sort of self justification for their sad and tragic existence in the beginning but after it's abject failure in the long term , this somehow comes to give them pleasure. It is at this point that they then become a disease, infested with evil and devoid of Honour. Like mosquitoes one tolerates them but every once in a while the opportunity presents itself when one can swat them out of existence. I strongly encourage this activity wheever and where ever it is possible. It is rather much like taking out the garbage.

:roll: This all has such a familiar ring to it. Is that a quote from Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels?

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#180033 by VinnyViolin
Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:28 pm
Vampier wrote:... Many times since the First Beginning there have been those who can not see ... can not hear ... can not ..feel ... can not think critically. As tiresome as this may be all fruit from time to time is tainted. It is the dame with men. Countless examples of this lie buried in the ashes of history.

It is so easy for these "creatures" to poke fun at those who dig the holes despite their own lack of ability to do so. They criticize a composition music, literary or oral despite their lack ok skill to even "create" upon the most basis levels. They pepper mankind, being the human blight and setting constant examples of what not to do ... not to be ... as they try desperately to feed the hunger of their own inadequacy by attempting to belittle the accomplishments of others. They are present in every primary school in the world and unlike others ... they never grow up. They lie, steal. insult, cheat, pretend and spiel forth the verbal diarrhea which comes so naturally from the kind of orifice they are.

Apparently this gives them some sort of self justification for their sad and tragic existence in the beginning but after it's abject failure in the long term , this somehow comes to give them pleasure. It is at this point that they then become a disease, infested with evil and devoid of Honour. Like mosquitoes one tolerates them but every once in a while the opportunity presents itself when one can swat them out of existence. I strongly encourage this activity wheever and where ever it is possible. It is rather much like taking out the garbage.

During these last moments much is being revealed. Those who are men, those who are cowards, those who are Artists, those who are not, those who truly Love and those who do not and those who are Patriots and those who are not. Live Well Die Well Ta



A nice variation here on the "Eliminate the Useless Eaters" theme. You seem very concerned with one's ability to dig holes ... for what? To bury all the "mosquitoes" you kill for disagreeing with your plan for digging holes? Didn't Pol Pot already do something like this? :cry:
#180038 by Vampier
Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:24 am
...again and again. Shooting in the dark with your eyes closed and ?thinking" somehow you hit something. Worn out phrases and methods which only display that there is no redeeming quality present in the nonmusician peanut brain which feels "it" is fighting the good fight, all the while unaware of that which has, is and will always be called Truth, Honour and Blood.

Coward not warrior ... troll not musician or artist. How many are out there ? Who knows. Who cares. They are Farts in the toilet...musicians with no music ...artists with no art ... painters with no paintings ...poets with no poems ...lies with no substance. Humanity is in trouble, in danger of dying and becoming extinct ... all the while hurling insults like monkeys do excretement ?



"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the state can shield the people from the political, economic, and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the state to use all it's powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the state."

Joseph Goebbels
#180043 by VinnyViolin
Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:02 am
Vampier wrote:...again and again. Shooting in the dark with your eyes closed and ?thinking" somehow you hit something. Worn out phrases and methods which only display that there is no redeeming quality present in the nonmusician peanut brain which feels "it" is fighting the good fight, all the while unaware of that which has, is and will always be called Truth, Honour and Blood.

Coward not warrior ... troll not musician or artist. How many are out there ? Who knows. Who cares. They are Farts in the toilet...musicians with no music ...artists with no art ... painters with no paintings ...poets with no poems ...lies with no substance. Humanity is in trouble, in danger of dying and becoming extinct ... all the while hurling insults like monkeys do excretement ?



"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the state can shield the people from the political, economic, and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the state to use all it's powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the state."

Joseph Goebbels

I can see that the state is a huge predatory entity (a fuqking Vampire!) sucking the life blood and energy from the people, and it seeks to repress all dissent. We (or at the very least, our freedoms) will perish unless the people recover their sovereignty from the inhuman legal fictions and corrupted institutions that claim to represent the people.

So here is a self described Vampier, who is very quick to dehumanize and recommend the swatting out of existence, those who would rather think for themselves, and not be cowed into accepting the Vampier's definition of what is "Truth" and "Honor".

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, you will also want to label it as the TRUTH of course and encourage the violent repression any dissent from your view.

Those who put themselves forward as leaders of movements like these, do need to be scrutinized most carefully. On close inspection they often exhibit the potential for the very same flaws they claim opposition to ... only maybe much worse!

So call me names! Call for:
Vampier wrote:swat them out of existence. I strongly encourage this activity wheever and where ever it is possible. It is rather much like taking out the garbage.
Goebbels would agree with you. :(

And I already did post some music. Whether it suits your tastes or not is of no concern to me. :D
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#180044 by PaperDog
Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:15 am
VinnyViolin wrote:
Vampier wrote:...again and again. Shooting in the dark with your eyes closed and ?thinking" somehow you hit something. Worn out phrases and methods which only display that there is no redeeming quality present in the nonmusician peanut brain which feels "it" is fighting the good fight, all the while unaware of that which has, is and will always be called Truth, Honour and Blood.

Coward not warrior ... troll not musician or artist. How many are out there ? Who knows. Who cares. They are Farts in the toilet...musicians with no music ...artists with no art ... painters with no paintings ...poets with no poems ...lies with no substance. Humanity is in trouble, in danger of dying and becoming extinct ... all the while hurling insults like monkeys do excretement ?



"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the state can shield the people from the political, economic, and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the state to use all it's powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the state."

Joseph Goebbels

The state is a huge predatory entity (a fuqking Vampire!) sucking the life blood and energy from the people, and it seeks to repress all dissent. We will perish unless the people recover their sovereignty from the inhuman legal fictions and corrupted institutions.

So here is a self described Vampier, who is very quick to dehumanize and recommend the swatting out of existence, those who would rather think for themselves, and not be cowed into accepting the Vampier's definition of what is "Truth" and "Honor".

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, you will also want to label it as the TRUTH of course and encourage the violent repression any dissent from your view.

Those who put themselves forward as leaders of movements like these, do need to be scrutinized most carefully. On close inspection they often exhibit the potential for the very same flaws they claim opposition to ... only maybe much worse!

So call me names! Call for:
Vampier wrote:swat them out of existence. I strongly encourage this activity wheever and where ever it is possible. It is rather much like taking out the garbage.
Goebbels would agree with you. :(

And I already did post some music. Whether t it suits your tastes or not is of no concern to me. :D


Vinny, what state might you be referring to? The state of Welfare?
The snake ingests its own tail and risks the swallowing of its own self...Much like the people, who demand the government to satisfy their hungers, and then complain when it does so. As you might know, Its very hard for a snake to talk when its mouth is full of itself.
Now, I don't think there is any Nazi in the world that understood that. But a man around a campfire has tales to tell and truths bellow out with each curl of the flame. I believe Vampier to be on to some truth, and calling that truth 'Goebbels', wont change the messenger's message.
#180045 by VinnyViolin
Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:03 am
PaperDog wrote:
VinnyViolin wrote:
Vampier wrote:...again and again. Shooting in the dark with your eyes closed and ?thinking" somehow you hit something. Worn out phrases and methods which only display that there is no redeeming quality present in the nonmusician peanut brain which feels "it" is fighting the good fight, all the while unaware of that which has, is and will always be called Truth, Honour and Blood.

Coward not warrior ... troll not musician or artist. How many are out there ? Who knows. Who cares. They are Farts in the toilet...musicians with no music ...artists with no art ... painters with no paintings ...poets with no poems ...lies with no substance. Humanity is in trouble, in danger of dying and becoming extinct ... all the while hurling insults like monkeys do excretement ?



"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the state can shield the people from the political, economic, and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the state to use all it's powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the state."

Joseph Goebbels

The state is a huge predatory entity (a fuqking Vampire!) sucking the life blood and energy from the people, and it seeks to repress all dissent. We will perish unless the people recover their sovereignty from the inhuman legal fictions and corrupted institutions.

So here is a self described Vampier, who is very quick to dehumanize and recommend the swatting out of existence, those who would rather think for themselves, and not be cowed into accepting the Vampier's definition of what is "Truth" and "Honor".

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, you will also want to label it as the TRUTH of course and encourage the violent repression any dissent from your view.

Those who put themselves forward as leaders of movements like these, do need to be scrutinized most carefully. On close inspection they often exhibit the potential for the very same flaws they claim opposition to ... only maybe much worse!

So call me names! Call for:
Vampier wrote:swat them out of existence. I strongly encourage this activity wheever and where ever it is possible. It is rather much like taking out the garbage.
Goebbels would agree with you. :(

And I already did post some music. Whether t it suits your tastes or not is of no concern to me. :D


Vinny, what state might you be referring to? The state of Welfare?
The snake ingests its own tail and risks the swallowing of its own self...Much like the people, who demand the government to satisfy their hungers, and then complain when it does so. As you might know, Its very hard for a snake to talk when its mouth is full of itself.
Now, I don't think there is any Nazi in the world that understood that. But a man around a campfire has tales to tell and truths bellow out with each curl of the flame. I believe Vampier to be on to some truth, and calling that truth 'Goebbels', wont change the messenger's message.


Or maybe it's you, like Vampier, that are seeing some "truth" in Goebbels?

I agree with what you say about the self destruction taking place by means of the welfare ... and warfare state mentality, and there is the federal reserve lending us more phony money. that represents nothing. so we can pay them interest on nothing ... predators.

Yes, I'll bet the Nazis do understand it ... and are happy that you are unable to imagine that they do. "Operation Paperclip" brought to the "state" much more talent than just rocket scientists ...

I do not hear the vampier offering any really new vision ...

#180048 by Lynard Dylan
Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:11 pm
Volunteers of America
gotta Revolution
gotta Revolution



This country is to far gone to help,
change is coming
Good or Bad
Beware

#180050 by J-HALEY
Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:19 pm
Hey Vinny, Where did you post the music. I went to your site and there ain't no site? Its almost like you don't exist, are you a ghost, alien, Demon?

#180055 by VinnyViolin
Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:05 pm
J-HALEY wrote:Hey Vinny, Where did you post the music. I went to your site and there ain't no site? Its almost like you don't exist, are you a ghost, alien, Demon?

My site is open for visitors again, Mr. Haley.

Just was laying low for a spell there, while it sounded like the Vampier Brigades were marching thru town looking for dissenters to swat out of existence ... in the name of "TRUTH" "HONOR" and "BLOOD".

:)

#180060 by J-HALEY
Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:20 pm
Thats some funny sh!t right there! You are a NUT CASE Lynard I mean Vinny!

Hey ya'll check out this fruitcakes site! He will prolly change it!

#180061 by VinnyViolin
Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:38 pm
J-HALEY wrote:Thats some funny sh!t right there! You are a NUT CASE Lynard I mean Vinny!

Hey ya'll check out this fruitcakes site! He will prolly change it!

Thank you Mr. Haley! :D

Btw, I happen to be a troll, whereas Lynard, for better or worse, is as real as you are ... just sayin' :lol:


Oh and my site is unavailable again. My legal team has recommended the we first get the ok from the author of the song's lyric. So until then ...

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