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From a business side what I gather is that larger companys who dont provide health care will be assessed a charge, (50 employees or more), smaller companys will be given a tax credit for providing insurance, now it doesnt say if small companys will get a charge if they dont provide insurance.

Im not to clear on a lot of it yet.

Enough of the negativity. I think I'll dwell on the positive side of this Marxist / Socialist agenda, that being look how many shovel ready jobs have been created!!

.... For Grandma, grandpa, and those not fit to add to the future society these power crazy morons have voted into law. We can repeal this healthcare law, but we can not repeal the damage done to our rights under the constitution. They have enabled themselves to tax us for anything and everything they wish any time they wish to do so.

Congrats to the many moronic uninformed brain dead idiots that are all for this so called "health care" crap.

"Government for the government, by the government, screw the people." Perhaps they will add that line to the constitution.

Slacker do you have health care insurance? Do you pay for it or is it provided by someone? Most people must pay a portion of their insurance even if it is provided by their employer. Do you realize that part of your premium is used to underwrite the cost of the uninsured?

Yes I do, not that it is any of your business what so ever.

I suggest that you order your brown shirt ASAP so you get one that fits properly. There are enough brain dead morons out there to limit the supply.

You have the balls to say policy holders and companies paying the cost?

How about all the millions of the younger generation just going into the work force (If there were any jobs)? Now they will be paying for everyone but themselves as most young people do not really need that type of insurance. When will you leftists learn that this is not an insurance bill, it is a tax bill. They have made supreme court precedent to tax us for everything and anything that they desire. They have destroyed the taxing safeguards that were written into our constitution, NOT THEIR constitution.

I heard just this morning (From a Democrat congressional Socialist ) that there are over 25 new taxes that will go into effect RIGHT AFTER the election. She cautioned the rest of her brood not to raise them before the election as it may effect the outcome of the election. I guess that once a dupe always a dupe is pretty accurate.

"You have the balls to say policy holders and companies paying the cost?"

Where do you think the money comes from? Just like when an uninsured motorist has an accident, where do you think the money comes from to pay for his injuries? From an uninsured motorists fund, that is paid for by the people who do buy insurance. You can't possibly be that dumb not to know that.

Jimmy, will you explain what this bill has to do with making healthcare more affordable? People that can't afford the high price of health insurance now still won't be able to afford it as this bill has nothing to do with bringing the high price of insurance rates down. The people that can't afford it are going to be punished for economic conditions that are not their fault. This tax hike/ penalty doesn't go to the insurance companies or the doctors to help lower premiums. It goes into the governments pockets to spend wherever they please. Do you really think that the government forcing these new rules on the insurance companies is going to bring premiums down? Just the opposite.

No Mike you are right, it won't drive down the premiums we pay for insurance directly, but it will lower the care giver's (hospitals) costs. They will now be reimbursed for providing care for those who have no insurance, which means the hospitals and insurance companies won't need to raise prices and premiums to cover this expense. So in the long run it will hold the cost of insurance to a more accpetable level (less price hikes). People who can't afford it now won't be able to afford it when this goes into affect, but they will be reponsible for paying the penalty. It's about time they paid something.

Meanwhile, I heard last night that they expect 30 million more people to have coverage once this goes into affect. That means we'll need more doctors, nurses and other health professionals. That also means more revenue for the hospitals, who can then afford newer equipment and such. It will be good for our country once everything settles in.

just google "socialized medicine Britain" and see some interesting facts about how well socialized medicine works once it is tweaked correctly.. it will work.. it works in Sweden Germany, United Kingdom, Canada and more so why won't it work here? .. the only reason it would not work is the "I got mine club" fighting against it.

I saw that whole documentary...and in the end, none of those countries could tweak it...because it doesn't work ... Something will give...people will suffer a consequence... The problem is that the sacrifice is being "forced" on us... All that just to appease idiots with a grand vision of No proof

Dog ... how do you know it doesn't work ... where did you get your info

Most Canadians like their health care ... I do. All health care systems have their problems ... but don't make broad statements on things you know nothing about.

Jimmy, the name of the bill is "The Affordable Healthcare Act". Obama and the Democrats told the American people that this bill's purpose was to make healthcare more affordable for all Americans by driving down healthcare costs. Like I said, the people who couldn't afford it still won't be able to afford it so they will still be a burden by running to the hospital when they get sick. With this bill forcing insurance companies to cover preexisting sick people that have never paid a dime into the insurance company, which direction do you think the premiums will go? It changed nothing except for maybe in using your own words it was never meant to lower healthcare costs but to expand the welfare role and tax middle class people to pay for it.

Mike I defer to Ron's opinion, he lives in Canada and knows a lot better than anyone here how this will work. The bottom line, something had to be done, and Obama has shown courage in getting this in. I salute him.

I saw Colbert yesterday, his headline: "RomneyCare Upheld". That's some funny siht right there.

Jimmy speaking of Colbert, did you see where the Fox crews said that the mandate had been struck down.

The newsman, I dont know his name but he had a british accent and and he says, "The mandate has been struck down, I repeat the mandate has been struck down" Colbert is a trip, he responds, I need to find the video on that and post it, hilarious.

All right back to our debates

Jimmy, this is nothing like Canada's healthcare system. Not yet anyway. The only other thing I will point out is, more and more doctors are dropping or refusing to see medicaid and medicare patients because the government only pays a portion of the actual costs and because of the amount of additional paperwork, regulations, red tape etc. so this need for more doctors will be there but with doctors not participating it will only create rationing with less preventative care.

"You have the balls to say policy holders and companies paying the cost?"

Where do you think the money comes from? Just like when an uninsured motorist has an accident, where do you think the money comes from to pay for his injuries? From an uninsured motorists fund, that is paid for by the people who do buy insurance. You can't possibly be that dumb not to know that.

This regime administration was on the radio this morning saying that very few who do not purchase insurance will be fined. I suppose that you won't mind paying for the millions of illegals that are now immune to deportation that will not carry this new insurance. And those who are not paying now most likely will not be paying later if I understand them right.

Again, there is the possibility that this monstrosity may be overturned. So what is gained? This regime and future regimes now have the ability to propose new taxes for about anything and everything that was prohibited before the supreme court made this decision that sets president and changes what they are allowed to tax. They can penalize (Tax) you for anything they say you must purchase against your will. Don't want to purchase that government stick of gum? OK That will be $1.50 tax.

There are a myriad of new taxes hidden in this "health care bill" No problem with either of those points either? So if it stands: There will be fewer people paying for more people to stand around in waiting rooms that are less funded and have fewer doctors, that is if you pass the healthcare denial boards. Sometimes referred to as the death squads.

Granny needs a new heart or hip replacement? Nope. She is too old to merit the expense since monies will be limited to those who will be around long enough to benefit society. It can not work any other way. Will government be a good steward of the monies? Yeah, you bet.

But wait. The tax goes to the insurance companies who are forced to treat only those things that the government mandates. HUH? The taxes goes to insurance companies?

How are they going to deal with more people on the insurance rolls but with less income since everyone will not be paying into this tax scheme?

Public service unions have exempted themselves, as have many others.

By the way, I thought taxes were instituted to finance irresponsible government. We have set BAD CONSTITUTIONAL precedent that allows taxation without representation through thieves in black robes. Sounds like a win win to me.

The Affordable Care Act will drive costs down. It doesn't matter how the cons spin it; they will say anything to get Obama replaced because at the heart of it they are simply racists.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/28/opinion/h ... hpt=hp_bn7

There you go with the race card! Why is it always a white guy throwing that out? I'll tell you why because OBUMMER can't run on his record. Is that all you got Sheldon Uh I mean Jimmy Race? Really?

just google "socialized medicine Britain" and see some interesting facts about how well socialized medicine works once it is tweaked correctly.. it will work.. it works in Sweden Germany, United Kingdom, Canada and more so why won't it work here? .. the only reason it would not work is the "I got mine club" fighting against it.

I saw that whole documentary...and in the end, none of those countries could tweak it...because it doesn't work ... Something will give...people will suffer a consequence... The problem is that the sacrifice is being "forced" on us... All that just to appease idiots with a grand vision of No proof

Dog ... how do you know it doesn't work ... where did you get your info

Most Canadians like their health care ... I do. All health care systems have their problems ... but don't make broad statements on things you know nothing about.

Prevost, you got me there... Like i said, I caught it on a TV documentary (On some obscure global News channel) The gist of it basically covered models in Malaysia, England, US and Sweden. Each Country had distinctly different approaches and overall, they admit the the tweaks weren't as effective as they previously thought. They didn't cover Canada, (Or I just didnt tune in when and if they did.)

One of the chief complaints in England (Which I imagine Canada similarly models) was the wait time and prioritization .

Here's a fact about US practices if you need a heart transplant. In The US , given one available heart organ...if you are an old codger who needs a new heart... and in the room next to you is a young man who needs one...Your fate is weighed by a panel of ethicists who must decide the optimal course. All things being equal, the young guy will win out... But if there is enough money to throw at the institution on behalf of the patients. both guys will win out. If only one of the guys has the resources, I.e the old man) then it will suck to be the young guy.

In Thoery, the healthcare (Aka Canada and Obama models) would cover the bases for the guy who didn't have the resources...IIf it ended there that would ideal. But the one available heart, two candidates problem doesn't go away.. And the Obama bill Has a provision that requires decisions to be made...The difference now, of course is that the govt ethicists decide, and not the private ethicists.

We havent even talked about Fraud Waste and Abuse... A few years back I was on an IT project and I worked directly with CMS directors In D.C., Miami, and and Los Angeles. FWA is the biggest cost problem in the entire system... Poor people didn't drive the price up... Criminals did. And guess what, I know intimately, and first hand, that Obama's provisions are inadequate , surrounding this area. In fact, the federal courts have stonewalled these offices on many case-findings. Its a good ol boys club... I hope in Canada you guys dont have to face an organ transplant. (This assume they harvest organs legitamately)