General Music Chat

Bob,

I was not saying they are mistakes. I was saying they could be a mistake or a note hit accidently. Even if it were an accidental note it is not a true "clam" so no one would know if the note was intended or not.

For those not familiar with a "clam" it is a very foul mistake that can't be hidden. There is no question when you hit a "clam" note for they are disgusting sounding. If some one wants to experience a "clam" play an F# over a G at the same time or on guitar fret a string right on the fret.

So my point? Most of the time grace notes are intended by the composer, but they don't always have to be.

Over the centuries, grace notes and ornaments have been more and more loosely interpreted - so much so that it's been a common act for performers to add their own to the works of many 19th century composers. In Celtic music they are totally up to the player, although some ornaments have just about made it into the standard lexicon of the given piece in a few instances (such as the "turn around" in the third note of the Celtic slip jig standard "The Butterfly"). Bach was more intentioned and demanding about them, but so was the convention of that time.

Hmm... Can you guys give me an example, maybe a song of some form where there is a grace note used. I might better interpret it.

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

why I opened that door, I have no idea, except I must like self flagellation..!

Anybody here use grace chords?

Anybody here use grace chords?

you mean like a 2 / 5 / 1 off the root? with the bass holding the root, or doing a glis into the chord.

No...he means to hold up his knickers!

why I opened that door, I have no idea, except I must like self flagellation..!

I'm just as guilty for walking through it, piper. I think I'll just ignore the God talk. Safer that way.

Anybody here use grace chords?

Sure. They are fairly common on Celtic harp.

Yeah, similar to a glissendo, but changing as you go.
Say, for example, if a song calls for G to A, maybe do a Gsus4 to G7 to G to A9flat to an A5, or something similar,
- rather than just doing a G, A-Flat, A . . .
. . .

Yea ... common on keyboards but I'd say the most rock or country guitarists don't unless they have a bit of jazz background ... see it more in country guitar players than rock.

I do more of a 2 /5 /1 thing but I think keyboard players get away with more because we don't have to play the root on our right hand, so that opens it up to 9th 13th making for a full sound when played against a 7th cord played by the guitar ... I'm not a guitar player so I don't know what you guys do.

Hey as long as it sounds good, do it, it adds to the fullness of the sound.

Guitaranatomy,
You gained my respect (for what it's worth)for asking wegman"what's a grace chord?"......shows intelligence AND BALLS!Both very good traits for an aspiring young metelhead.The way this thread is going,this ol'dog might learn a few new tricks myself!

Hmm... Can you guys give me an example, maybe a song of some form where there is a grace note used. I might better interpret it.

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

Here is a good hands on explanation of grace notes.

http://www.hornplayer.net/archive/a145.html

I am still looking for a good piece to recommend to you as an example.

I listen to classical music but never really sat and picked out the grace notes in the pieces. So as I am writing this I have Vivaldi's Four Seasons playing in my cans to see if I can pick some grace notes out so I can recommend the piece and tell you where they occur.

Despite spending an overly excessive amount of time on this web site I do have some what of life so it may take a bit. LOL

By the way for any budding young guitarists out there (I am talking to you guitaranatomy) Vivaldi The Four Seasons is great to listen to and play for learning scales and soloing technique.

Guitaranatomy,
You gained my respect (for what it's worth)for asking wegman"what's a grace chord?"......shows intelligence AND BALLS!Both very good traits for an aspiring young metelhead.The way this thread is going,this ol'dog might learn a few new tricks myself!

Yea my respect to.

Guitaranatomy,
You gained my respect (for what it's worth)for asking wegman"what's a grace chord?"......shows intelligence AND BALLS!Both very good traits for an aspiring young metelhead.The way this thread is going,this ol'dog might learn a few new tricks myself!

Yea my respect to.

Thanks guys, that means a lot to me to have your respect. I believe the only way to learn is to ask questions, if I did not have the guts to ask them it would make it hard for me to be a musician - there is a lot I do not understand.

Despite spending an overly excessive amount of time on this web site I do have some what of life so it may take a bit. LOL

By the way for any budding young guitarists out there (I am talking to you guitaranatomy) Vivaldi The Four Seasons is great to listen to and play for learning scales and soloing technique.

Lol. I will listen to Four Seasons, man (There are four pieces I just found out). I will also try and learn it, but if I do not like how it sounds it will be a fun challenge, lol.

Thanks for the info, man.

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.