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Music and substance abuse often go hand in hand from the sheer nature of the pursuit. They are both "Dionysian" ventures.

What if Jimmy had been sober.... Think his music would be better?


I wouldn't put up with drug use in our band. Although I do not consider weed a drug..thats not a man made substance and IMO alcohol is much worse.

Anything that causes euphoric states to the point of mental and/or physical impairment is a drug in my book.

Anything that causes euphoric states to the point of mental and/or physical impairment is a drug in my book.

That makes music a drug, then. And it long has been.

Anything that causes euphoric states to the point of mental and/or physical impairment is a drug in my book.

That makes music a drug, then. And it long has been.

Fascinating point Irminsul, never thought of it that way.

Naaah, music does not cause an impairment, nor does alot of drugs until an addiction kicks in.

Drugs have influenced most of the music we know... Without them, we wouldn't have Jimmy Hendrix, Pink Floyd, uff, no sense in trying to name everyone the list is LOOOOONG

No offense to anyone who likes them, but I could do without Pink Floyd. Not that David Gilmour is not a talented guy, I just cannot stand how spaced out their music is. I think you have to be high to listen to it.

WHAAAAAT!!


Well you are right, it definately makes it more interesting...

WHAAAAAT!!


Well you are right, it definately makes it more interesting...

Lmao. Yeah, many people will want to kill me for not liking them, but like, it is annoying to listen too after a while. Comfortably Numb and Wish You Were Here are alright. Other than, bleh. He drones on and on. So yeah, I am not a Pink Floyd fan or ELO for that matter. I tried to play one of ELO's songs and they have like 90 guitarists! Lmao. I was like, "Um, okay, which part then...".

At any rate, peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

ELO?

Electric Light Orchestra.

Naaah, music does not cause an impairment, <snip>

The hell it doesn't! Do you know the origin of the "Tarantella" dance? It came from Italy and was supposed to be a cure for deadly spider bites. A woman would dance herself into a fury over the patient, to "chase" the poison out of them. And the dancers were quite out of their rational minds at the time, if you have ever seen one.

Or how about the Afghani Whirling Dervishes? That music puts them into whirling trance. Or we could talk about the native American Ghost Dancers....if you have ever seen them, don't tell me they are not into an ecstatic state by the music/dancing.

Have you seen this cave painting?


He is called The Sorcerer of Les Trois Fere, and reflects a hunting dance still practiced by some aboriginal cultures today, where the dancer is put into an altered state, thereby "alighing with" (identifying with) his quarry to come (in this case, a deer).

Music has been used to alter consciousness as long as people have been on the planet. In fact it probably predates ingested substances, on that note.

I don't think it's all the music alone...lol

Ghost dancers were hitting the pipe before they started Im sure...


But dancing is not an impairment, maybe a trance...

But the arguement was that drugs cause an impairment, my point was generally they do not, music wise.

I don't think it's all the music alone...lol

Ghost dancers were hitting the pipe before they started Im sure...


But dancing is not an impairment, maybe a trance...

But the arguement was that drugs cause an impairment, my point was generally they do not, music wise.

And you would still be incorrect.

Ghost dancers did not "hit the pipe" before they danced. That culture, unlike say, The Dineh (Navajo) did not engage in substances before the dance.

If music were not mind/soul altering, no one would do it, or put up with the miserable life consequences to perform it or compose it. In fact the very word "music" comes from the Greek Muse, who is a God form that inhabits the mortal who then "speaks" from that muse (alter the mortal's consciousness). The very act of impairment, incarnate.

ok ok , but I still do not see music as impairing..

relaxing, medicinal, enlightening, calming...yes, but not impairing.

Music definately has an effect on people though.