General Music Chat

funny, I always thought giants were a result of sexual union between fallen angels and human women..it's neat how I learn things here..

God is complicated enough, trying to explain where the son of the homosexual god came from took to many stone tablets.

funny, I always thought giants were a result of sexual union between fallen angels and human women..it's neat how I learn things here..

Nephilim came later with Enochian lore

Quite a lot of artists actors and such probably feel they made a deal with the devil,
but I'm sure that has more to with papers they signed somewhere along the line.

Etu,
I'm really not sure you said anything new there, seems like the farther back you go the more instances you find of spirit helpers or spirits that help them selves, and I can't really say what the real differences in language there was from Minoan, Mycenaean and Greek proper, after all from these same documents they cannot discover whether Homer was a man. woman or mixture of several people.
I'm not really sure this helps us anymore than digging through old scrolls to find out really why they call alcohol "spirits"
I would say this approach is very narrow, considering the amount of "spiritual" information there is to find over so many cultures over the last 10,000 years.

What began on the whole as spirits of nature grew to become the gods of the pagan age. These in turn were reinterpreted and demonised as one culture dominated another. The most ancient gods become the giants and Titans, whilst younger conquering religions build new temples. These in turn became subjugated
to monothiesm, and their nature is reinterpreted yet again.

I read in The way of the seeded earth by Joseph Campbell,
that his research led him to the conclusion that religion as it is commonly understood, has its true origin, that is order of, religious institution and control, i.e. laws practices was in south east asia,
indications are that women were the originators, to bring order and congeal a social order upon the males who were motivated to move in packs. 8000 thru 6000 BC
I'm paraphrasing badly here because i would have to look it up, and I haven't that atlas open for several years.

not what i was looking for but this is good


http://youtu.be/aGx4IlppSgU

not what i was looking for but this is good


http://youtu.be/aGx4IlppSgU

You might find this interesting; http://marriottschool.byu.edu/emp/WPW/p ... zation.pdf

It 'kinda' ties in with Joeseph Cambell was saying about the metaphors behind masks. In this tribe , its the Axe, and how technology changed the whole paradignm for this tribe. The article is not a comprehensive study on that subject, but , but it gets us familiar... (There are better publishings I'm sure)

The important thing to keep in mind...No matter the paradigm of our myths and/or religions... They seem to correlate with some degree of technical advancement in society. Steel Axes illustrates that.

The Dogma of Christ, in my opinion, the only one that offers human beings an enlightenment, free of technical 'requirement' (Churches invent traditions and customary practices...But the dogma I speak of offers the most pragmatic recipes for healthy propserous and enlightened lives.)

I thought the Bill Moyers interview w/ Joseph Campbell was pretty good too.. it makes you wonder how much of myth is actually real?..probably higher percentage of myth is real and true than given credit for..

not what i was looking for but this is good


http://youtu.be/aGx4IlppSgU

You might find this interesting; http://marriottschool.byu.edu/emp/WPW/p ... zation.pdf

It 'kinda' ties in with Joeseph Cambell was saying about the metaphors behind masks. In this tribe , its the Axe, and how technology changed the whole paradignm for this tribe. The article is not a comprehensive study on that subject, but , but it gets us familiar... (There are better publishings I'm sure)

The important thing to keep in mind...No matter the paradigm of our myths and/or religions... They seem to correlate with some degree of technical advancement in society. Steel Axes illustrates that.

The Dogma of Christ, in my opinion, the only one that offers human beings an enlightenment, free of technical 'requirement' (Churches invent traditions and customary practices...But the dogma I speak of offers the most pragmatic recipes for healthy propserous and enlightened lives.)

that was a fascinating paper, illustrates the stark differences of modern western people with the old agricultural social order.
On the face it seems sad, but in the light of day can this really ever be prevented?
I wish I had some Eugen Weber on paper,
His lectures on why the Egyptian civilization has out lasted any other was pretty neat.
in nut shell, it was isolation, and it foundered after frequent contact with other cultures.

not what i was looking for but this is good


http://youtu.be/aGx4IlppSgU

You might find this interesting; http://marriottschool.byu.edu/emp/WPW/p ... zation.pdf

It 'kinda' ties in with Joeseph Cambell was saying about the metaphors behind masks. In this tribe , its the Axe, and how technology changed the whole paradignm for this tribe. The article is not a comprehensive study on that subject, but , but it gets us familiar... (There are better publishings I'm sure)

The important thing to keep in mind...No matter the paradigm of our myths and/or religions... They seem to correlate with some degree of technical advancement in society. Steel Axes illustrates that.

The Dogma of Christ, in my opinion, the only one that offers human beings an enlightenment, free of technical 'requirement' (Churches invent traditions and customary practices...But the dogma I speak of offers the most pragmatic recipes for healthy propserous and enlightened lives.)

that was a fascinating paper, illustrates the stark differences of modern western people with the old agricultural social order.
On the face it seems sad, but in the light of day can this really ever be prevented?
I wish I had some Eugen Weber on paper,
His lectures on why the Egyptian civilization has out lasted any other was pretty neat.
in nut shell, it was isolation, and it foundered after frequent contact with other cultures.

How about those funky Tuts, now? http://jonathanturley.org/2012/04/26/is ... ead-wives/

Sorry I could not pass this up LOL!

This thread is like a bad episode of "Buffy The Vampire Slayer".. lol

The devil can't write no good love songs!?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8s3SJuyc14








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I didn't know you were so religous Dane. I'm already mentally unbalanced, I don't need anybody's help. Yes ,it's correct.

Give me a call Dane, let's play, we can alternate
whose house we play at regularly. I want to record
original music, how about that open mic Friday night
you sent me a email about. I usually gospel about
twice a month at the County sings, I got an older
friend who plays the electric autoharp, and plays it
wrong, but gets an old timey gospel sound out of it and
his voice it's unbelievable. If you have any of my
old business cards my phone # is still the same, I
think I have your # , let's talk music. I'm going to play today.
Tell Truman hi! 1st time he's been spoke to thru the internet.

This thread is like a bad episode of "Buffy The Vampire Slayer".. lol

have you seen a good one?

Give me a call Dane, let's play, we can alternate
whose house we play at regularly. I want to record
original music, how about that open mic Friday night
you sent me a email about. I usually gospel about
twice a month at the County sings, I got an older
friend who plays the electric autoharp, and plays it
wrong, but gets an old timey gospel sound out of it and
his voice it's unbelievable. If you have any of my
old business cards my phone # is still the same, I
think I have your # , let's talk music. I'm going to play today.
Tell Truman hi! 1st time he's been spoke to thru the internet.

well today Justin is doing a double up in Mack's Creek one at 10AM and one at 6PM so will be gone long time today and will miss that jam session but thinking that's where we probably should be going in the near future, since might be other musicians we could meet..I think that will be a regular jam night so next week, but waiting also on Tim, to call me back when he gets enough players together to have a jam, he's the dude who had an ad on Craigslist that had the Forming a Small Combo ad, don't know yet if he's leading me on or what but told him I'll give it some time to find players, since we do live in the Ozarks and he sounds like he wants to do Swing era Big Band Tony Bennett Kenny Rogers stuff, and most importantly, he has a full professional grade PA system

In keeping with the flavor of the OP here is:

The Birth of the Devil

The concept of the Devil was a fairly late development in the monothiestic legacy. The early Hebrews attributed all events, whether good or bad, to the One God. He encapsulated both Darkness and Light, destruction and creation, corruption and purity. Such is clearly stated in

Isaiah 45:7;
?I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.?

In the Old Testament it is God Himself who slays the first born of Egypt, sends plagues and famine, strikes down with lightning, and demands of Abraham that he sacrifice his first born son. The idea of a separate evil only gradually arrives from the 2nd century B.C.

The myth of the Fall originates in The Book of Enoch, and is outside of the Canon. Yet by the time the New Testament was compiled the influence of Enoch had been absorbed, along with elements of the Persian Zoroastrian religion, Judea being under Persian rule from the 6th to 4th centuries B.C. In their cosmology there are two principles of Ahura Mazda, being creative, and Ahriman, being destructive. So evenly matched are they that the slightest flux can topple the balance, and mortal-kind are constantly being drawn to one side or the other. Originally the Devil was the shadow side of God, His dark aspect.

Mal?ak was the term employed for that aspect of God that was able to communicate with mortal kind. It was this concept that was translated into the concept of the angel. Only the shadow was able to communicate because the Light is too great for a human to bear, as with Zeus.

As the Hebrew religion evolved, so did this ?shadow?, until it broke away from God and became a separate power having its own free Will. However, with this separation came the natural dualistic attribution of God?s other characteristics, so that the Shadow also becomes His destructive and malign aspect, whilst the Light becomes everything good. In the Book of Jubilee, compiled approximately a hundred years after the Old Testament, this shadow has acquired the title of Mastema, a Hebrew word meaning ?adversity?. From this moment it is this Accusing Angel that becomes responsible for all the darker things previously imputed to God. It was the Mastema who hardened the Pharoah?s heart and assisted the Egyptian sorcerers against Israel.

The concept of the Evil One is essential in any religion that preaches redemption, for there must be something to be overcome.

Later Christianity adopted the legend of the Fall, a theme most popular throughout the Middle East. The following Canaanite scripture was recorded five centuries before the Hebrew scribes produced the Old Testament, and concerns the legend of Shaher, who was born of ?the Pit?, Helel, which is the womb of the Mother Goddess.

?How hast thou fallen from heaven, Helel?s son Shaher! Thou didst say in thy heart, I will ascend to Heaven. Above the circumpolar stars I will raise my throne and I will dwell on the Mount of Council in the back of the north. I will mount the back of a cloud. I will be like unto Elyon.?

Compare with Isaiah 14:12-14 as we know it now;

?How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!
For you have said in your heart: ?I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north;
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.?