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Do you believe that music is sacred.

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#170754 by jimmydanger
Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:02 pm
Seems like it is to 95% of the world. For the rational thinker, it is the only option.

#170760 by PaperDog
Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:34 pm
jimmydanger wrote:Seems like it is to 95% of the world. For the rational thinker, it is the only option.


Rationale thinkers are just like everybody else... except that everybody else claims to have the answers and they are usually wrong.. Whoops!.... I guess that would include rationale thinkers...

#170773 by Etu Malku
Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:46 pm
JCP61 wrote:men love to call temporal things divine, especially if they are in possession of these things, and believe others are not.
dose wonders for the self esteem, and enhances there view of them selves above those who may not be in possession of those same things.
that alone is a lesson in self aggrandizement.

what is even more interesting, a great majority of musicians describe themselves as atheist or at worst agnostics, yet everyone of them will claim to know something about divinity without hesitation.
never could wrap my head around that little contradiction.
What separates self-indulgently base musicians from artists is that the artist isn't creating music for HimSelf.

#170774 by Etu Malku
Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:50 pm
yod wrote:
Music is a sound, it's here then it's gone,



Then let's define music.


I hear music in a waterfall, I hear rhythm in the wind, and hear melody in a lion's roar. The earth itself is music. I hear rest in the heavens.

Yes, even rest is music to my spirit. When I say all music is spiritual, I'm not talking about religion.

In not-so-obvious fact, when I talk about God, I'm not talking about religion, because religion is a man-made concept of control and manipulation. The Spirit of Holliness never does that.

Unfortunately religion has soured too many people's opinion of God.







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Simply, Music is sound organized in space & time

#170775 by Etu Malku
Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:58 pm
jimmydanger wrote:JCP1: what is even more interesting, a great majority of musicians describe themselves as atheist or at worst agnostics...

Even worse than that is someone who pretends to know what agnosticism is.
"or at worst agnostics." Listen dude there is nothing wrong with taking your head out of your ass and seeing things for what they are! Blind faith is your worse enemy, dogma is your ball & chain, delusion your prison.

#170779 by PaperDog
Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:18 pm
Etu Malku wrote:
JCP61 wrote:men love to call temporal things divine, especially if they are in possession of these things, and believe others are not.
dose wonders for the self esteem, and enhances there view of them selves above those who may not be in possession of those same things.
that alone is a lesson in self aggrandizement.

what is even more interesting, a great majority of musicians describe themselves as atheist or at worst agnostics, yet everyone of them will claim to know something about divinity without hesitation.
never could wrap my head around that little contradiction.
What separates self-indulgently base musicians from artists is that the artist isn't creating music for HimSelf.


YIKES! I thought artists were simply following their own nature to express whatever prevails in their minds and hearts... There really is nothing more to it than that.
Lots of Artists like to attach 'drama' and myth about their own presence and efforts, because they know the real truth ...and the real truth is that the work of creating theme is routine and boring. If its not routine and boring, then they have not mastered the art, and thus they are not artists anyhow...

#170780 by PaperDog
Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:21 pm
Etu Malku wrote:
jimmydanger wrote:JCP1: what is even more interesting, a great majority of musicians describe themselves as atheist or at worst agnostics...

Even worse than that is someone who pretends to know what agnosticism is.
"or at worst agnostics." Listen dude there is nothing wrong with taking your head out of your ass and seeing things for what they are! Blind faith is your worse enemy, dogma is your ball & chain, delusion your prison.


A polished stone, on the shores of the ocean called life, has neither dogma, faith or delusion. It is subject to the whim of light, and is forever fixed in one angle. It is also completely helpless as to what crawls and lives beneath it.

I'l take Dogma, faith and delusion any day...Thank you :)

#170781 by Etu Malku
Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:26 pm
PaperDog wrote:
Etu Malku wrote:
JCP61 wrote:men love to call temporal things divine, especially if they are in possession of these things, and believe others are not.
dose wonders for the self esteem, and enhances there view of them selves above those who may not be in possession of those same things.
that alone is a lesson in self aggrandizement.

what is even more interesting, a great majority of musicians describe themselves as atheist or at worst agnostics, yet everyone of them will claim to know something about divinity without hesitation.
never could wrap my head around that little contradiction.
What separates self-indulgently base musicians from artists is that the artist isn't creating music for HimSelf.


YIKES! I thought artists were simply following their own nature to express whatever prevails in their minds and hearts... There really is nothing more to it than that.
Lots of Artists like to attach 'drama' and myth about their own presence and efforts, because they know the real truth ...and the real truth is that the work of creating theme is routine and boring. If its not routine and boring, then they have not mastered the art, and thus they are not artists anyhow...
Obviously your definition of an artist is different than mine

#170782 by Etu Malku
Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:30 pm
PaperDog wrote:
Etu Malku wrote:
jimmydanger wrote:JCP1: what is even more interesting, a great majority of musicians describe themselves as atheist or at worst agnostics...

Even worse than that is someone who pretends to know what agnosticism is.
"or at worst agnostics." Listen dude there is nothing wrong with taking your head out of your ass and seeing things for what they are! Blind faith is your worse enemy, dogma is your ball & chain, delusion your prison.


A polished stone, on the shores of the ocean called life, has neither dogma, faith or delusion. It is subject to the whim of light, and is forever fixed in one angle. It is also completely helpless as to what crawls and lives beneath it.

I'l take Dogma, faith and delusion any day...Thank you :)
As the child of Death sees the polished stone on the shore and innocently skims it back to the Leviathanic Abyss from whence it came.

#170783 by JCP61
Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:42 pm
Etu Malku wrote:
jimmydanger wrote:JCP1: what is even more interesting, a great majority of musicians describe themselves as atheist or at worst agnostics...

Even worse than that is someone who pretends to know what agnosticism is.
"or at worst agnostics." Listen dude there is nothing wrong with taking your head out of your ass and seeing things for what they are! Blind faith is your worse enemy, dogma is your ball & chain, delusion your prison.


no worse than a person who says there is no knowledge and therefore he knows everything.

enlighten me,
how are things?
really.
not really interested in jive,
now that you have your head out of your particular ass
why don't you tell me, in the conflagration of cold and radiation of the universe,
how you came to be here.

#170826 by JCP61
Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:02 pm
must be brushing up on his hieroglyphics.......................... :cry:

damn it Jim,

#170829 by Etu Malku
Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:04 pm
JCP61 wrote:
Etu Malku wrote:
jimmydanger wrote:JCP1: what is even more interesting, a great majority of musicians describe themselves as atheist or at worst agnostics...

Even worse than that is someone who pretends to know what agnosticism is.
"or at worst agnostics." Listen dude there is nothing wrong with taking your head out of your ass and seeing things for what they are! Blind faith is your worse enemy, dogma is your ball & chain, delusion your prison.


no worse than a person who says there is no knowledge and therefore he knows everything.

enlighten me,
how are things?
really.
not really interested in jive,
now that you have your head out of your particular ass
why don't you tell me, in the conflagration of cold and radiation of the universe,
how you came to be here.
We are a product of natural selection, evolution through intelligent memetics.
Did you think some old, white bearded, dude in a gown put us here 6000 years ago or something? :wink:

#170830 by JCP61
Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:36 pm
Etu Malku wrote:
JCP61 wrote:
Etu Malku wrote:
jimmydanger wrote:JCP1: what is even more interesting, a great majority of musicians describe themselves as atheist or at worst agnostics...

Even worse than that is someone who pretends to know what agnosticism is.
"or at worst agnostics." Listen dude there is nothing wrong with taking your head out of your ass and seeing things for what they are! Blind faith is your worse enemy, dogma is your ball & chain, delusion your prison.


no worse than a person who says there is no knowledge and therefore he knows everything.

enlighten me,
how are things?
really.
not really interested in jive,
now that you have your head out of your particular ass
why don't you tell me, in the conflagration of cold and radiation of the universe,
how you came to be here.
We are a product of natural selection, evolution through intelligent memetics.
Did you think some old, white bearded, dude in a gown put us here 6000 years ago or something? :wink:


come now,
a self proclaimed mystic ought be able to do better than
"I was selected by an inert object" (somewhat a contradiction in terms)
selected by what? by who?

or perhaps you meant to say that you are a fluke, a completely random accident, and lucifer is less significant than warm sun beam.

not too much magic truth in that scenario, I must say.

Oh I get it, Atheism! I was selected, that means I'm important, but no one selected me, so I'm the most important...very nice
quite an ego booster I must say.
I think I kinda like that
ME is all, very good.
Much better than that agnostic junk,
Oh God (if there is one) save my soul (if I have one)
that's very grey...
no good at all.
care to dig a little deeper or is that all lucifer has got up his pajamas?

#170831 by MikeTalbot
Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:37 pm
"Did you think some old, white bearded, dude in a gown put us here 6000 years ago or something? "

Old? How does one measure 'old' in reference to Himself? As to your question though, "Yep. That's exactly what I believe."

Talbot

#170833 by JCP61
Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:18 pm
MikeTalbot wrote:"Did you think some old, white bearded, dude in a gown put us here 6000 years ago or something? "

Old? How does one measure 'old' in reference to Himself? As to your question though, "Yep. That's exactly what I believe."

Talbot


yours was the better answer,
I was just being self indulgent.

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