General Chat (Non-Music-Related)

Uggnnhhh. Dog soldiers?

Lock and load, silver hollow point explosive rounds..check.

Willy Pete rounds ready for the lob.

I don't even thing werewolves can resist WP.

The most brutal acts, greatest number of murders and hideous crimes including wars (which are crimes) have all been done under the name of religion.

I don't remember Stalin, Pol Pot, & Mao Tse Tung being religious? I thought they were atheists?

They killed more than 100 million in the name of communism.

Yod do you believe that libya and Egypt... ie "the Arab Spring" was really about the common people wanting "democracy" ?

hell no! I've seen video of the top staff of SEIU/ACORN talking about how they went to Eygpt to help organize. This whole thing has been a subversive coup, probably a partnership between CIA and Muslim Brotherhood. Not necessarily even official government policy but certainly current Executive Branch policy. Obama and Prince Alawaleed bin-Talal have a lonnnng history of working together.

But the Dept of Propoganda has sold us all down the river with their distractions and lies.

The most brutal acts, greatest number of murders and hideous crimes including wars (which are crimes) have all been done under the name of religion.

I don't remember Stalin, Pol Pot, & Mao Tse Tung being religious? I thought they were atheists?

They killed more than 100 million in the name of communism.

I wouldn't call them atheists, but rather anti-theists . . . they were against organized religions simply because 'they' interfered with their reign.

True atheists do no recognize any dogma/god etc. and therefore do not feel threatened by them . . . it is make-believe therefore it is not something to be concerned about.

...Phil the Bune ... I thank you for your post and am in complete agreement with you regarding "Twilight". I found it very tiring and depressing to watch and the Lead Female and Male roles I felt were remarkably "weak" in all aspects and sometimes bordering on pathetic. But there were loads of teenagers who seemed to feel otherwise. Perhaps it could have been better with other actors but my wife and I both were in the camp of the werewolves in this case. Did you know that Anne Rice wanted Rutger Hauer to play Lestat ?

Dog Soldiers was one of those films that when I went to see it I had no real expectations but found it very good and wish there were more. I also agree Blade 2 was better than Blade 1. It is very interesting that you mention werewolves as my wife and I are about to embark upon a business project which has a werewolve theme.

Lynard ... what do you think of Barbara Steele ? Barnabas had a look all his own.

Scott ... pardon me but what exactly is WD ? I truly do not understand.

Tod .. thanks for your reply and answer. I am very pleased to hear what you stated and answered re the "Arab Spring". While I can not dispute your facts about Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao Tse Tung I feel that I really need to explain my statement further and although you will most probably disagree I feel it would somehow be better if I explained myself further. Next Posting. Once again I thank you.

WP = WILLY Pete = White phosphorous ..

Those little babies will start a fire anywhere..and it you try to put them out with anything except smothering them, they will burn even hotter.

(basically once started, you can't put it out. It will burn through bone etc.
very not nice stuff)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus

Thanks Scott for your answer...White Phosphorous ...I was on the Two mile relay team in high school and there was a boy 2 years older also on the team ... Tommy. We were friends and when he graduated he volunteered to go to Viet Nam. He was a bit of an "enthusiastic" guy and became a helicopter pilot. After a couple of tours he "volunteered" for what they called PathFinder missions.

He would fly low over the jungle and draw fire. The copter was loaded with marker flares and such. These would be tossed out to mark the fire position and the fighter jet would come down and take out the position. Needless to say he was eventually shot down. His Co-Pilot was thrown clear but Tommy remained strapped in and was upside down after the crash.

All the flares etc. caught fire and burned. His Co-Pilot cut him out and all he had on was one boot ... everything else burned off. The Co-Pilot carried him out of the enemy territory and thought he was dead. He was not. He lived and after loads of operations came home basically to die.

I went to see him. He was blind, no nose, a hole for a mouth and he could barely speak. His arms were reduced to fins and he could shuffle about slowly on flat surfaces. He looked like a monster but underneath it all he was still Tommy and could laugh and was still "enthusiastic". He told me that whatever I did ... he made me promise not to go to Viet Nam after graduation. I went to college and recieved a deferment. For a while I was plagued by guilt.

Many I knew went and fewer returned and they all said to the man what Tommy had saud. What a waste. I think that there was some phosphorous in the copter of one sort. I will never forget my one conversation with Tommy. He died a year later ... his body just shut down and no one could believe he lasted as long as he did.

My Father was in the AirForce and I had relatives in all the branches. My decision to not go was not "popular" with the family and many others but I do not regret it. Ta

...I have always viewed "religion" as only the invention of man. Music is to me vastly more spiritual in that it is an expression of man. Religion has shown itself to be a Machine of Great Destruction since it's conceptions. It is always used as a method of control, an excuse, a justification and even an enlightenment. The history of religion is a horror story.

Where ever religion has been or is the result is great cruelty not enlightenment. Intense beliefs cause intense hostility. These forums even demonstrate that from time to time. Yod, I agree with you about the difference between faith and it's force and the reality of religion ... that is it's history. This is chronicled well over the last thousand years of religious gore

"The christian glorifies in the death of a pagan because thereby Christ himself is glorified"
St. Bernard of Clairvaux

The Crusades...The Inquisitions...India's Thugs...The Zionists...The Thirty Years War...Islamic Jihads...Russian Pogroms...Gandhi's murder...Northern Ireland...Africa...Sri Lanka...The Nazi Holocaust was rooted in religious hatred...Palestine...Israel... religion keeps mankind in groups of hostile camps. Religion divides people and breeds inhumanity.

Stalin killed hundreds of thousands in his first "Great Purge" of 1937-38 against his enemies of which many were religious. The same can be said of the "Moscow Trials". His gulags and terrors included many priests and their followers. Proscription Lists, NKVD, deportations and entire population transfers, collectvization, Dekuiakization, resulting famines, The Law of Spikelets ...all included ethnic religions and I might add have versions of them in the news and realities of today.

Stalin believed religion to be an opiate of the masses that needed to be removed. His government did promote atheism ... his "Society of the Godless". From 1930 onwards it became dangerous and at times fatal to be publicly religious. Stalin persecuted the Russian Orthodox Church almost to extinction. Up to only days before his death relious sects were being outlawed and persecuted. He also went after musicians and artists as well. Ta.

...I have always viewed "religion" as only the invention of man. Music is to me vastly more spiritual in that it is an expression of man. Religion has shown itself to be a Machine of Great Destruction since it's conceptions. It is always used as a method of control, an excuse, a justification and even an enlightenment. The history of religion is a horror story.

Where ever religion has been or is the result is great cruelty not enlightenment. Intense beliefs cause intense hostility. These forums even demonstrate that from time to time. Yod, I agree with you about the difference between faith and it's force and the reality of religion ... that is it's history. This is chronicled well over the last thousand years of religious gore

"The christian glorifies in the death of a pagan because thereby Christ himself is glorified"
St. Bernard of Clairvaux

The Crusades...The Inquisitions...India's Thugs...The Zionists...The Thirty Years War...Islamic Jihads...Russian Pogroms...Gandhi's murder...Northern Ireland...Africa...Sri Lanka...The Nazi Holocaust was rooted in religious hatred...Palestine...Israel... religion keeps mankind in groups of hostile camps. Religion divides people and breeds inhumanity.

Stalin killed hundreds of thousands in his first "Great Purge" of 1937-38 against his enemies of which many were religious. The same can be said of the "Moscow Trials". His gulags and terrors included many priests and their followers. Proscription Lists, NKVD, deportations and entire population transfers, collectvization, Dekuiakization, resulting famines, The Law of Spikelets ...all included ethnic religions and I might add have versions of them in the news and realities of today.

Stalin believed religion to be an opiate of the masses that needed to be removed. His government did promote atheism ... his "Society of the Godless". From 1930 onwards it became dangerous and at times fatal to be publicly religious. Stalin persecuted the Russian Orthodox Church almost to extinction. Up to only days before his death relious sects were being outlawed and persecuted. He also went after musicians and artists as well. Ta.

As a former atheist, I know about all that stuff and much more. It was instrumental in my coming to faith, actually.

I will contend that faith and religion are separate animals that are unrelated, though they might look similar from the outside. Though I would be labeled a christian, I have always been a rebel against the church. I believe what we have today is a bastardized version of the original faith mixed with greek Temple worship.

The original community of faith were people that loved and blessed each other. Then came Rome and the gentile takeover of the jewish faith. And as far back as the so-called "early church fathers" it has been a horrible counterfeit of what happened in Jerusalem 2,000 years ago.

But alas, I'm not against christians....just the theological structure that was used to usurp the Kingdom promised to Israel (which is still to come and right on schedule). You don't find the early community manipulating people with forced baptisms, coerced conversions, mandatory confessions, or any man-made creeds to oblige.

Nope, that only happened once they let the gentiles in. And there went the neighborhood. This "church" has been the biggest obstacle to faith in history. I see the Vatican as not much different than Stalin, and the Protestant "reformation" as a slightly different version without military power.

But it isn't biblical faith to kill anyone, nor to oppress them, nor to manipulate and control them. That is the exact opposite of what the Holy Spirit does in a person and therefore, yes, a man-made religion.




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God doesn't defile us, we defile ourselves because humans are animals and religion or not, we're the weak link in the chain.

God just watches and shakes his head..

...I have always viewed "religion" as only the invention of man. Music is to me vastly more spiritual in that it is an expression of man. Religion has shown itself to be a Machine of Great Destruction since it's conceptions. It is always used as a method of control, an excuse, a justification and even an enlightenment. The history of religion is a horror story.

Where ever religion has been or is the result is great cruelty not enlightenment. Intense beliefs cause intense hostility. These forums even demonstrate that from time to time. Yod, I agree with you about the difference between faith and it's force and the reality of religion ... that is it's history. This is chronicled well over the last thousand years of religious gore

"The christian glorifies in the death of a pagan because thereby Christ himself is glorified"
St. Bernard of Clairvaux

The Crusades...The Inquisitions...India's Thugs...The Zionists...The Thirty Years War...Islamic Jihads...Russian Pogroms...Gandhi's murder...Northern Ireland...Africa...Sri Lanka...The Nazi Holocaust was rooted in religious hatred...Palestine...Israel... religion keeps mankind in groups of hostile camps. Religion divides people and breeds inhumanity.

Stalin killed hundreds of thousands in his first "Great Purge" of 1937-38 against his enemies of which many were religious. The same can be said of the "Moscow Trials". His gulags and terrors included many priests and their followers. Proscription Lists, NKVD, deportations and entire population transfers, collectvization, Dekuiakization, resulting famines, The Law of Spikelets ...all included ethnic religions and I might add have versions of them in the news and realities of today.

Stalin believed religion to be an opiate of the masses that needed to be removed. His government did promote atheism ... his "Society of the Godless". From 1930 onwards it became dangerous and at times fatal to be publicly religious. Stalin persecuted the Russian Orthodox Church almost to extinction. Up to only days before his death relious sects were being outlawed and persecuted. He also went after musicians and artists as well. Ta.

As a former atheist, I know about all that stuff and much more. It was instrumental in my coming to faith, actually.

I will contend that faith and religion are separate animals that are unrelated, though they might look similar from the outside. Though I would be labeled a christian, I have always been a rebel against the church. I believe what we have today is a bastardized version of the original faith mixed with greek Temple worship.

The original community of faith were people that loved and blessed each other. Then came Rome and the gentile takeover of the jewish faith. And as far back as the so-called "early church fathers" it has been a horrible counterfeit of what happened in Jerusalem 2,000 years ago.

But alas, I'm not against christians....just the theological structure that was used to usurp the Kingdom promised to Israel (which is still to come and right on schedule). You don't find the early community manipulating people with forced baptisms, coerced conversions, mandatory confessions, or any man-made creeds to oblige.

Nope, that only happened once they let the gentiles in. And there went the neighborhood. This "church" has been the biggest obstacle to faith in history. I see the Vatican as not much different than Stalin, and the Protestant "reformation" as a slightly different version without military power.

But it isn't biblical faith to kill anyone, nor to oppress them, nor to manipulate and control them. That is the exact opposite of what the Holy Spirit does in a person and therefore, yes, a man-made religion.

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So, this Jewish couple live in Manhatten...and He's a banker... One day, He calls his wife and tells her.."Oye vey...Dahling, I gotta see the doc this evenin , so I'm gonna be home late... You go on with out me...
Later that evening he finally comes home. As he sits down at the table, he says to her... "The doc says I got "VD". The wife looks at him and asks...VD? What is this thing called VD?.... She turns and heads for the study...Moments later, she comes out with a dictionary in her hand. In a relieved voice, she happily proclaims... "Oh dahlink, Not to worry! Says here that VD is a disease..of the gentiles"

Uggnnhhh. Dog soldiers?

Was that the sound of disgust or exctasy Chief?

Vampier - Rutger as Lestat? That I did not know, could've been cool I thought Cruise was pretty good at the time though. Wasn't Rutger a vampire in the Buffy movie? cough, ahem, I watched it once....

My missus wasn't interested in Dog Soldiers, I told her it's like low budget Aliens but set in Scotland, with bipedal werewolves (the best). Anyways, dragged her along and she thought it was excellent also.

Interesting to hear about the werewolf project, there's very little interesting werewolf stuff around. The Howling (movie and trilogy of books), American Werewolf, Dog Soldiers, Company of Wolves, Underworld, Being Human, Necroscope (books)....erm...that's about it.

Will be intersting to see what Depp does with Barnabas too!

Phill ... I thank you for your message. Rutger Hauer was the guy in Blade Runner ... I think it was by far his best film. Although Anne Rice wanted him as Lestat the film studio said no, saying he was too old. Anne Rice was pissed and issued several statements saying she was unhappy about it and eventually the Studio paid her a load of money and she then said she "liked" Tom Cruise in the film. amazing what a bit of green will do. Ta

The original community of faith were people that loved and blessed each other. Then came Rome and the gentile takeover of the jewish faith. And as far back as the so-called "early church fathers" it has been a horrible counterfeit of what happened in Jerusalem 2,000 years ago.

But alas, I'm not against christians....just the theological structure that was used to usurp the Kingdom promised to Israel (which is still to come and right on schedule). You don't find the early community manipulating people with forced baptisms, coerced conversions, mandatory confessions, or any man-made creeds to oblige.

Isn't it true that Christ was Jewish? If so, then it would seem that Christianity is an extension of Judaism, is it not? The primary difference being that Christianity lifted a lot of silly rules that had been practiced before hand (Old Testament) , and it spoke more about a 'kingdom of heaven' as the final destination, rather than a 'promised land'.

I used to argue with some Palestinians AND Israelites on another forum... and I always asked both sides: "SO what... if God Promised you some land...What do think he might expect you to do with it? DO ya think he relishes the idea of his own children killing each other over a bone?" I always received the ever popular suggestion back, that I should go F myself

Isn't it true that Christ was Jewish? If so, then it would seem that Christianity is an extension of Judaism, is it not? The primary difference being that Christianity lifted a lot of silly rules that had been practiced before hand (Old Testament) , and it spoke more about a 'kingdom of heaven' as the final destination, rather than a 'promised land'.

yes, I think you're right on most counts. Except I think the promised land and the kingdom of heaven are synonymous and intersect at some point in the future.

The Prophets speak of a final world war that will end all wars, and it happens there in the Valley of Jezreel, at Megiddo, when the peace treaty that all the nations have forced upon Jerusalem fails.

Sound familiar?

I used to argue with some Palestinians AND Israelites on another forum... and I always asked both sides: "SO what... if God Promised you some land...What do think he might expect you to do with it? DO ya think he relishes the idea of his own children killing each other over a bone?" I always received the ever popular suggestion back, that I should go F myself

it's a complicated issue but just like in America, there are people who put their political ambitions above the good of the average person, but I've seen Israel keep it's commitments and that never happened with Arafat or Abbas. How do you negotiate with people that are proven liars and are instructing their kids that jews are pigs and apes that allah demands you kill?

It will take a generation at least...once they get started.

There's two sides to every story,
the Muslims see it from a different
perspective then the Jews. That
doesn't make either group wrong.
Israel's never lied Mr Yod? I didn't
know there was a government on this
entire planet that didn't lie regularly.

I like the Muslim music better than the
Jewish music, it's not as good as the
old timey christian music.

Religion and music do they really mix?