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I don't care what he did.

He was a child.

If I shot him and he died, it would be the same if I had blown off the top of my own skull because the pressure of realizing you killed someone for the wrong reasons is an "end game maneuver".

Don't think your life would be the same because it wouldn't ever be the same again.

I dont know why I put this post up in the first place I ussualy avoid subjects like this.

But from the 911 tapes, Simmermon should have waited on the police, he took matter into his own hands, that was wrong, like Capt says he has to live with this the rest of his life, no matter the outcome, I wouldnt want that on my shoulders.

On guns, Ive owned guns my whole life, Im basically a redneck country boy. When I was in HS half of my friends had shotguns hanging in the pickups in the parking lot at school, a whole different perspective than we have on guns these days.

As far as the young man who lost his life, I dont really buy into blaming him for having a dime bag at school or whatever he had, I grew up in the 70s and truth be known, probably half my friends and I had some pot on us in school at one point or the other.

When I think on the young mans side of things, I can relate, having grown up in the 70s I had long hair, wore bell bottoms and our local police probably would look at me and say hes just some drugged out hippie. In fact me and some of my friends at times did get harassed by cops for basically what we looked liked.

I would complain to my father, and his response was always "Son, go look in the mirror, what do you see?" I would say I look like a rock star! LOL

His next response would always be that if you look like you look you are going to at times have to deal with authority figures assuming things about you.

So thinking on that, this young man was in a gated community, and to my mind did look like he didnt belong. If Im at a mall and see some black youths dressed in the manner he was I would just avoid them, cause you dont really know what they are up too, I would also avoid white youth that looked out of place.

So to me thinking on these lines, there is some blame on the parent of the child, for not maybe pointing out that he did have some sort of menacing looks, and if he was confronted by an authority figure to maybe instead of running, identify himself and tell them why he was there in the first place, instead of running or maybe getting a chip on his shoulder and saying something he may not should have said to the shooter.

Just my thoughts on this whole situation, right or wrong I dont know.

But maybe if the parent had really explained some of this to the youth he wouldnt have been intimidated and he and the shooter may have just had a misunderstanding that could have been resolved with out violence. And of course if the shooter had just done what he was told to do, this wouldnt have happened either.

To me its just a sad story all the way around.

I admire the part where his mom has had his name copyrighted along with other legal actions to cover other aspects of possible commercial endeavors. That's one of the first things I would do if my kid got shot.

It is my opinion that he isn't the innocent kid depicted in the propaganda baby pic the news media insists on showing. He appears to have been a kid out of control, as are the hundreds of other kids who kill other kids every year in the hoods. Where are the pics of him trying to look like a gangsta, like the rapper heroes of so many hoodie wearing teens? Clothes don't make you good or bad. But a lot of people dress like whomever they admire. I wear a ski mask in the winter when I ride my bike. But I don't walk into a 711 gas station to pay while I'm wearing it. It makes people real nervous. Now just why would that be? Think about it.

If some kid comes after me I don't care how old he is, I would do whatever I need to to preserve myself. If you are old enough to attack someone, you are old enough to pay the price.

Haven't any of the bleeding hearts out there ever lived next to a kid who was out of control? They can make your life a living hell as well as anyone else's life that they transgress. Then after they kill or rob or brutally beat someone they finally end up in jail. But their reign of terror is ok because the news media shows a baby pic of them? Maybe he is guilty, maybe he is not, but he had a record, according to police, and some of that included burglary. Kids kill other peoples kids every day. I don't think it is a very good idea to just let things go until that sort of thing happens.

I live in a neighborhood filled with Mexican gang bangers. They roam the streets at night in packs. They get away with destroying property in the middle of the night, but their parents are the ones who are out of control. They don't think their little darlings could do anything wrong, and even when they get arrested, it is the fault of the police.

When the Sharptons and the Jacksons enter into it, you know it has elevated to "racial injustice". When politicians enter into it, it is for gun control. I don't buy into any of that crap. No one has all the facts yet. And if the kid is guilty or not, some will never change their opinions. That's just the way people are. I have my opinion, you have yours. Opinions do not make anyone right or wrong.

Good Add Slacker!

Locally we have a case where a black man entered a white ladys house, raped and beat her to death, you dont see that in the national news, you dont see anyone copywrighting her name, nothing is mentioned along those lines, just another statistic.

What do I think?

Zimmerman is guilty as hell. FACT.
Unless you believe in audio doctoring of 911 tapes on youtube.

The cops told him not to follow Martin, but he obviously did:

http://youtu.be/mOpGAOXL5Uk

And...
This is clearly a teenager yelling:

http://youtu.be/KmnqKotpSD0

wrong on all counts.

Zimmerman was the one yelling for help in those audio tapes. When the cops said they didn't need him to follow this "goon" (what he called the kid), he ceased and went back to his vehicle...but was sucker punched from behind. The only part of his story that has not been confirmed true is that he says the kid was trying to get his gun and that's when he shot him.

A black man, who is Zimmerman's BEST FRIEND, stated on camera that Zimmerman doesn't have a racist bone in his body. He helps many at-risk children of all races in his home. That is exactly why he is the neighborhood watch, to protect INNOCENT people of all races.

You want to see a racist? The Black Panthers have put a bounty to kill Zimmerman. Here are photos of Obama marching with the Black Panthers in 2007, while attending the racist "church" of Jeremiah Wright.

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2011/10/03/ph ... s-in-2007/

What do I think?

Zimmerman is guilty as hell. FACT.
Unless you believe in audio doctoring of 911 tapes on youtube.

The cops told him not to follow Martin, but he obviously did:

http://youtu.be/mOpGAOXL5Uk

And...
This is clearly a teenager yelling:

http://youtu.be/KmnqKotpSD0

wrong on all counts.

Zimmerman was the one yelling for help in those audio tapes. When the cops said they didn't need him to follow this "goon" (what he called the kid), he ceased and went back to his vehicle...but was sucker punched from behind. The only part of his story that has not been confirmed true is that he says the kid was trying to get his gun and that's when he shot him.

A black man, who is Zimmerman's BEST FRIEND, stated on camera that Zimmerman doesn't have a racist bone in his body. He helps many at-risk children of all races in his home. That is exactly why he is the neighborhood watch, to protect INNOCENT people of all races.

You want to see a racist? The Black Panthers have put a bounty to kill Zimmerman. Here are photos of Obama marching with the Black Panthers in 2007, while attending the racist "church" of Jeremiah Wright.

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2011/10/03/ph ... s-in-2007/

Excuse me ???
Don't tell me what I heard.
If you think that was zimmerman yelling on the tape and not a teenager, you need your damned hearing checked.

It almost gets as stupid as the following:
[woman screams] "Nope that wasn't a woman screaming. That was zimmerman. Clearly."
[dog barks] "You can hear zimmerman shouting something. What? A dog? No, that was zimmerman. Here, listen to it again..."


Listen for yourself. Think for yourself.
I didn't even care about the story. I still don't as far as the scenario goes.
What makes me mad are the idiots that refuse to hear what is plainly in front of them, or wont even bother to check it out for themselves.

Don't tell me what I heard.
If you think that was zimmerman yelling on the tape and not a teenager, you need your damned hearing checked.

I just told you truth, as eye witnesses have stated. A wise person would consider it.

There is a reason why Zimmerman wasn't arrested. Only the racists think it was because EVERY white person in Sanford FL is a racist.

Be a tool of the media if you'd like. Those who anger you, control you...and you seem to be easily manipulated.



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What do I think?

Zimmerman is guilty as hell. FACT.
Unless you believe in audio doctoring of 911 tapes on youtube.

The cops told him not to follow Martin, but he obviously did:

http://youtu.be/mOpGAOXL5Uk

And...
This is clearly a teenager yelling:

http://youtu.be/KmnqKotpSD0

wrong on all counts.

Zimmerman was the one yelling for help in those audio tapes. When the cops said they didn't need him to follow this "goon" (what he called the kid), he ceased and went back to his vehicle...but was sucker punched from behind. The only part of his story that has not been confirmed true is that he says the kid was trying to get his gun and that's when he shot him.

A black man, who is Zimmerman's BEST FRIEND, stated on camera that Zimmerman doesn't have a racist bone in his body. He helps many at-risk children of all races in his home. That is exactly why he is the neighborhood watch, to protect INNOCENT people of all races.

You want to see a racist? The Black Panthers have put a bounty to kill Zimmerman. Here are photos of Obama marching with the Black Panthers in 2007, while attending the racist "church" of Jeremiah Wright.

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2011/10/03/ph ... s-in-2007/

Excuse me ???
Don't tell me what I heard.
If you think that was zimmerman yelling on the tape and not a teenager, you need your damned hearing checked.

It almost gets as stupid as the following:
[woman screams] "Nope that wasn't a woman screaming. That was zimmerman. Clearly."
[dog barks] "You can hear zimmerman shouting something. What? A dog? No, that was zimmerman. Here, listen to it again..."


Listen for yourself. Think for yourself.
I didn't even care about the story. I still don't as far as the scenario goes.
What makes me mad are the idiots that refuse to hear what is plainly in front of them, or wont even bother to check it out for themselves.

More armchair quarterbacking by someone whom hears only what they want to hear!

For the record I have intentionally tuned out any commentary on the audio, and only concerned myself with the audio, and what I gathered from it.

For some reason, I expected more out of the people on this forum - but it looks like the same 'ol same 'ol.

Sorry I yelled at ya, but it pisses me off to be told that I didn't hear what I'm pretty sure I heard...

I'm done with this topic.

Carry a stun gun and pepper spray, but leave your .357 at home, "Dirty Harry".

Else this may happen to you..

Carry a stun gun and pepper spray, but leave your .357 at home, "Dirty Harry".

Else this may happen to you..

You've got to be kidding. The little chillens in my neighborhood carry lethal weapons. Guns and knives. We had a shoot out a few months back where I heard a 38 and what sounded like a 45 returning fire a block away from where I live early one evening. When I went to see what was going on a car full of bangers came screeching around the corner out of the alley and tore down the street. They were leaving the area of a Laotian drug dealers pad.

I saw a cop a few minutes later and flagged him down, he said he was in a hurry to get somewhere and just left. Of course he was just cruising down the block at normal speed when I flagged him down when . They just don't want to get involved.

I went over to where the shooting was the next day and saw several bullet holes in the buss barn belonging to the Laotian church down the street.

Maybe pepper spray or a stun gun works for you, but you wouldn't need to use it in my neighborhood to defend yourself. They'd simply die laughing at you when you pulled out your spray and your stun gun, if they let you get that far.

If you walk my hood you had better have your phaser set on high.

I zapped a guy through a car one time. lol

I saw it on "COPS at Mardi Gras".
Some guy was doing it randomly.. (and he def was "random".) lol
And the cops got him..you know how that episode went..chrome bracelets.

So anyway I ended up in a situation where i had 1 guy between myself and a car. Long story short, I zapped the car and he was touching it.

Opps. Ooh that looks like it hurt.

"See Scott Run From Large Man on ground.."

Guns are fun, but dangerous and accidents do happen.
Even stun guns can kill if you shock a victim in the wrong spot.

I am all for disable and stun, but I don't want anyone's demise hanging over my head.

I'd rather be beaten within an inch of my life or worse, but I could never cope with the idea that I ended someone's life and it was the wrong thing to do.

If I lived on the edge of the war zone, I'd have an M1 Garand and be taking pot shots at passing cars but fortunately this is not the case.

A couple of authentic land mines might be just the order for the day though. lol

Paperdog - I'll have to respectfully disagree with your comments about the cops. (disclaimer - attended Whittier police academy ages ago)

Wanted to be one. Not now.

The cops haven't gotten tougher because we've gotten meaner. The ferals in the inner cities are a specific case but that ain't everyone. No - the govt has deliberately created a new type of police, similar to the Spanish Guardia Civil or the Soviet NKVD. Sort of a militia with military weapons. Task is to maintain order and protect the state. (not you)

Yet another unfortunate concomittant of the war on drugs...Thanks to the equally phoney war on terror (but a very real war to our guys in the 'stans') the police are not only armed like the military they are staffed in significant numbers by combat vets who have learned how to fight and kill but are not by any stretch, "peace officers." Those are different skill sets. But it suits the govt just fine.

in New Orleans, after Katrina, cops assisted national guardsmen in confiscating people's weapons - a blatently illequal act. Whatever they may claim - they are not policemen. They have become thugs.

(I confess that in bad guy v. cop situations I will still come down on side of the cop)

Scotty - won't shoot a kid? I can understand that sentiment but it doesn't work for me since not all 'kids' are the same. When I was supervisoring rent a cops in LA one of my guys (an old dude) was sitting in his car eating his lunch. A 13 year old gang banger shot him to get cred with the bangers.

Would I have shot the kid to save my guy? I hope I would have but I hope equally that I never have to find out.

Talbot

Paperdog - I'll have to respectfully disagree with your comments about the cops. (disclaimer - attended Whittier police academy ages ago)

Wanted to be one. Not now.

The cops haven't gotten tougher because we've gotten meaner. The ferals in the inner cities are a specific case but that ain't everyone. No - the govt has deliberately created a new type of police, similar to the Spanish Guardia Civil or the Soviet NKVD. Sort of a militia with military weapons. Task is to maintain order and protect the state. (not you)

Yet another unfortunate concomittant of the war on drugs...Thanks to the equally phoney war on terror (but a very real war to our guys in the 'stans') the police are not only armed like the military they are staffed in significant numbers by combat vets who have learned how to fight and kill but are not by any stretch, "peace officers." Those are different skill sets. But it suits the govt just fine.

in New Orleans, after Katrina, cops assisted national guardsmen in confiscating people's weapons - a blatently illequal act. Whatever they may claim - they are not policemen. They have become thugs.

(I confess that in bad guy v. cop situations I will still come down on side of the cop)

Scotty - won't shoot a kid? I can understand that sentiment but it doesn't work for me since not all 'kids' are the same. When I was supervisoring rent a cops in LA one of my guys (an old dude) was sitting in his car eating his lunch. A 13 year old gang banger shot him to get cred with the bangers.

Would I have shot the kid to save my guy? I hope I would have but I hope equally that I never have to find out.

Talbot

Very Interesting... I have always viewed Cops as a brotherhood of 'good ole boy's club'... Now, they are a good ol boys club with political agenda.

I can see where Spanish Guardia Civil emerges, but I still believe that cops have had to adapt somewhat independent of govt agendas... If we go back to the 60's when people started calling cops "Pigs" They were probably Guardia Civil back then , as well, its just that we started to call them on it...

However, not everyday is filled with government cheese. Many cops have to go out and do their municipal tasks. Enter Gangstas n Hoodies.... When their civil rights allow them to spit on, taunt and abuse the cops, Its easy to see why a policeman might bust a cap in a couple of heads...

A very cool movie that I recommend is "Training Day" (with Denzel Washington). One begins to see how this evolves.

I relate to this story because I'm right in the middle of having to move because of city creep.

When I bought my house 20 years ago it was a very nice neighborhood, but last June I was getting home at 7 AM and there were cops, helicopters, ambulances, and a huge crowd right across the street from me because a high-school kid was stabbed to death. There was another murder that month less than a block away. People dressed all in red started appearing in the neighborhood. Then, only a month ago a woman was stabbed right behind my house in the alley.

I got home from a west coast tour with only 4 days and had to go find and buy a new house. I'll get 2 days in April to close on it and move. All because the thugs have taken over.

So if someone were to be doing neighborhood watch on my street, they would need at least a pistol. I can't wait to be out of there....but the point is that none of what eye witnesses said was mentioned in the media reports from the Department of Propoganda (NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSN, etc). In fact, they have been reporting something completely different than what eye witnesses say happened and I'd like to know why?

If I had to guess, it sure looks like "someone" is trying to start a race war on purpose.