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#16609 by Franny
Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:58 pm
Wegman wrote:My literal brain was trying to figure out how it could be all over the neck but always in the same spot (position) It makes sense now but I was thinking the note could only be played in one spot say like the 5th fret. So I was thinking like bends, alternate tunings etc.

Naturally, as usual I was completely wrong.
I did the same thing while i was trying to figure it out, the floating, yet in the same spot throws the curve in there.

On scale it's a 7th, modes and other scales are derived from the Major scale so...it has no choice but to work.

#16610 by Franny
Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:02 pm
Let me add...we're talking about "Bass" i'm not sure it would work on other instruments.

#16618 by JJW III
Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:38 pm
I see what your saying but that is not going to sound pleasing to the ear all the time especially if I am playing a G and you play F#. Your talking a half step and some major dissonance there. Done quickly it might be ok but if you hang on that note for any length of time it is going to sound dissonant. This is what I believe you eluded when it doesn't sound good all the time. The note is in the scale but it is not necessarily a note in the triad of the chord, and thus the issue. THis is why I said Aug. Augmented chords with the raised 5th have no center of tonality, so they are good for transitioning. However when I looked more closely at your explanation it made perfect sense since the note your talking about is in the scale of where your heading. So again from a theory standpoint its' correct, yet may not sound good all the time.

At least that is the way I see it.

Keep in mind I am at work at this time and am doing several things at once so I might be missing something.

#16621 by Franny
Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:55 pm
Yes a live situation is where it works.
No, i can't hang on a F# while your in G...it's used to get to the G...a passing tone so to speak.

We can debate it right out of working at all to tell you the truth :D

#16622 by JJW III
Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:36 pm
Franny wrote:We can debate it right out of working at all to tell you the truth :D


Your funny Franny. :lol:

So are you a jazz guy? I get that impression. That is one genre of music I have very little experience with.

Of course I don't know what's so great about jazz, they just make it up as they go along. (Homer Simpson)

Seriously, is jazz your thing primarily?

#16623 by BassPlay3r
Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:57 pm
Wegman wrote:I don't know. Maybe trade some file back and forth and see what happens. Anything. I'm a chameleon. My playing changes with whom ever I play with. On my profile I have alot heavy metal type stuff but then I have some acoustic stuff and some stuff without alot feel and emotion.

Like I said, I just play whatever the rest of guys play like. It makes me a better player.

Your a great bass player. You've got it. I can hear it. I would be interested to see what a collab between the two of us produces.


Thanks I heard some of your stuff but it was on my work laptop which had crappy speaks. Will take a listen later on.

So I would strongly suggest you sign up at http://www.musicianscollaboration.com

It's free and we can get some other people to play on whatever we come up with and we can upload files to the site instead of dealing with ftp sites.

What kind of recording rig do you have?

#16624 by JJW III
Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:08 pm
Hey Bass,

Since a picture is worth a thousand words......

If you check out my profile pics my recording setup is pictured there.

Suffice to say I have some pretty decent equipment.

I will sign up on the site you mentioned. I am interested to see what that is about.
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#16625 by RhythmMan
Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:09 pm
Franny,
While fingering a 'D" chord, I often use the F# on the E String . . . most guitarist don't, though, because it's slightly harder . . .
.
Sometimes if you hit a wrong note, you'll be playing one of the notes that a guitarist would use (an octave or 2 higher) to form augmenteds, 5ths, 7ths, 9ths, 11ths, whatever . . .
And, sometimes it'll sound really cool . . .
. . . sometimes . . .
.
Also, the word 'Jazz' came up.
There's a saying in Jazz, "Play it wrong, and it's just wrong. But, play it wrong twice, and it's Jazz . . ."

#16631 by BassPlay3r
Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:53 am
Wegman wrote:Hey Bass,

Since a picture is worth a thousand words......

If you check out my profile pics my recording setup is pictured there.

Suffice to say I have some pretty decent equipment.

I will sign up on the site you mentioned. I am interested to see what that is about.


I only know PC based stuff becasue I geek but from what I see it looks like you have some good stuff. But then I allways impress with a lot of knobs and lights :D I just wanted to make sure you could export tracks in wav, wma and ape.

wma for beds and auditions
ape (lossless compressed wav files) for final takes.
Mp3s are bad because there is a bit of silence that is added to the file that makes things hard to line up.

#16632 by JJW III
Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:01 am
Bass,

My ADAT digital recorder does either WAV or AIFF. The quality of the files I can produce are far above my microphone capabilities and such. I can pull the files from the ADAT in WAV format right into my computer and send them. No loss. My board is a Mackie 24x8. I went with analog board for a reason. It works for me. I just got a good microphone which has made a huge difference in the quality of my recordings. I haven't put any up yet up but I will. I also use Sound Forge for mastering etc. I have been playing around with a shareware program called Reaper that works amazingly well. I have touted it on Bandmix several times. A drummer buddy of mine and I have played around with Ninjam but we could never get passed the latency. We like to improvise on the fly and it just doesn't work for us. So, I put stuff down in time and send it to him and he adds his parts when we can't get together. This to is not the same as being in the same room but is the best we can do with our distance situation.

I registered on the site you provided and I am waiting for clearance from the tower to be allowed on the site.

See you there soon.

#16634 by JJW III
Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:34 am
Guitaranatomy,

There is a great book I would like to recommend to you called The Guitar Handbook by Ralph Denyer.

Check into it. It has a wealth of information on everything from the history of different guitars to theory.

I highly recommend it to you. Here is the link.

http://www.amazon.com/Guitar-Handbook-R ... 0679742751

#16642 by BassPlay3r
Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:57 pm
Wow that some rig. I tend to not record more that 4 tracks live and mostly I'm doing one or two.

Cool That souds like we will be able ot trade files. BTW a great compression prog for compressing wav file with out any loss is Monkeys Audio. also Wavepack is great too. Both are cross platform. Reaper is great. If I wasn't so into the Sonar for the money I'd be using that or a Linux based DAW.

Nick's usually right on top of the registrations.

#16647 by JJW III
Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:25 pm
I am in. YOu can check me out over there.

#16648 by Franny
Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:27 pm
Wegman wrote:
Franny wrote:We can debate it right out of working at all to tell you the truth :D


Your funny Franny. :lol:

So are you a jazz guy? I get that impression. That is one genre of music I have very little experience with.

Of course I don't know what's so great about jazz, they just make it up as they go along. (Homer Simpson)

Seriously, is jazz your thing primarily?
Not per se...i couldn't stand Jazz growing up. It made no sense to me...then somewhere along the line i heard the word "modal jazz" and they were using modes to play, DUH, it all made sense...!!!eureka!!!
I consider myself more of an aficionado than a flat out 'Jazz guy'.
I'm going about learning jazz backwards, in that im taking what is familiar to me, (fusion, smooth jazz even Gospel) and backtracking on it to get to the heavy stuff...wrong? maybe, fun and learning? yes.

If you're interested, heres one of the best sites i've seen: http://www.apassion4jazz.net/

#16650 by Guitaranatomy
Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:48 pm
Wegman wrote:Guitaranatomy,

There is a great book I would like to recommend to you called The Guitar Handbook by Ralph Denyer.

Check into it. It has a wealth of information on everything from the history of different guitars to theory.

I highly recommend it to you. Here is the link.

http://www.amazon.com/Guitar-Handbook-R ... 0679742751




Thanks man, I will see if I can find this in my local book store. If not I will probably order it online, it looks like it is a good book. I could use all the help possible with learning this stuff, so it is perfect for me. Lol.

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