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#163174 by PaperDog
Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:49 pm

To sum, a high school student campaigned successfully to force her school to remove a large mural with a specifically Christian Prayer. Since then, she has received threats and been harassed, for simply standing up for the First Amendment. This fringe minority is vocal, and terrifying. There is, of course, this fringe to Atheism as well. But it's easier to notice those opposed to you and what you agree with.


Therein lies the fly in the ointment... What about the rights of the Christians, who have now been told they can't express their own beliefs...? That is to say, in order to protect one persons from exposure to a belief that he or she does not agree with, we have to suppress another person's rights to expression of that belief.

That hardly sounds like a solid interpretation of our first amendment...and it really puts our lawmakers in a spot now, don't it?

Under the theory of the 1st Amendment, lawmakers may also suppress Pornography in public schools to protect what is defines as "the prurient interest" of society. Additionally, The government takes the position that public schools are not supposed to be a conduit for marketing and advertisement.

Having said that: We see that our law makers and enforcers might actually be failing to deliver on the amendment's full intent... And of course some peoples rights will necessarily be trampled by means of the most common reason: "economic benefit to the institution""

Consequently, I have hypothetical solution to satisfy and fully uphold all First Amendment rights, and avoid the agony of idealogical conflicts in a [b]public school: (Are you ready?) [/b]

1) Take out all forms of religious expression from the schools - Spare everyone the agony of ideological conflict
2) Remove all Vending machines and marketable products from the schools - Product placement has no business in our institutions of learning.
3) Enforce uniforms. Civilian clothing is an expression of individual ideal and taste, and risks the agony of ideological conflicts.
4) Do not provide Funding for Music and Arts, Literaure ...Since these reflect taste and ideology, which present a risk of conflicts.
5) Segregate Gay and non- Gay students into separate class rooms , since there is a risk of ideological conflict.
6) Remove Athletic competition, since these are driven by social, ideological philosophies (Greece Hellenistic period) but in their very nature places students at risk of conflicts.
7) Keep the Pledge of Allegiance: Since Public school is government funded, by tax payers, it stands to reason we are all on board with defending the institution that provides us with education...(even if we arent under one God, indivisible). The work-around for the GOd clause is simple...Take the God Clause out of the pledge. .
8) Elect and support an established lunch menu. Ensure that prepared meals do not reflect any ethnic influence. No Mexican food, No Lasagna, No Pita bread, no crepes. In fact, the menu should simply contain raw vegetables (So as not to offend animal rights activists) and fruit juices . Its only Lunch, and the parents can shove Big Macs down their throats when they get home...((right after they say Grace...) Right!?

Dizz, I can go on and on... And the last thing missing here : is to provide the kids with hand guns, so they can shoot themselves in the head.

My point is this...You take away a few prayers from the school...you can be guaranteed a ride down slippery-slope avenue... EVERYthing is a trade off. Let the people have their religion, and let the non believers have their refuge, but dont drag the whole damn world down just to champion a cause that's quite frankly, very petty.
#163236 by Philjg
Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:40 pm
GLEN TROUBLE J wrote:Energy! ... The ability to power our amps, and drive our cars to the stores, and play on our computers, and heat our homes, and land a man on different celestial land mass, and feed all of mankind.
In the old days, it was done by conquering a people and enslaving them to work the fields and driving the grindstone to free up the horses and mules for more important things.... Warfare and more enslavement.
I am stunned by the policies and path that this country and the worlds nations have taken to understanding this simple equation.
European nations have signed a global warming "CAP AND TRADE " agreement. Starting last week all airline tickets to the European nations cost 33 dollars more to pay for this "AGREEMENT" This amounts to nothing more than a tax in the name of saving the planet Earth. The question is,,, who the hell is collecting all this money and how the hell is this going to save our planet!!!! Talk about theft and misguided TAXES.
Obama is a HUGE proponent of "CAP AND TRADE". He has openly stated that such an agreement will necessarily raise our energy costs. How about $20 dollars a gallon for gas, or heating oil. How about a dollar a minute to watch TV or run a 60 watt light bulb. How about the fact that a small chicken for dinner,used to be 3$, now due to transportation, production, storage, market, and all the other cost of producing FOOD,,,,, That same chicken is costing about 9$ around here. Talk about all the pain and suffering these food prices are causing AMERICANS especially the elderly. WAIT 'TILL ENERGY PRICES DOUBLE AGAIN! Yeah go ahead and and pass "CAP AND TRADE" It will just be another tax that will only fill the pockets of a few in the quest for global domination. Go ahead laugh,,,, while you still have enough food to barely stay alive.

This administration is following a path of treason to the American people. This Administration wants all of us financially weakened by treasonous energy policies that endanger not only our daily way of life but the whole world by usurping our leadership role that can lead us into the 25 century,,, of complete chaos due to energy needs. WWWHHHAATT. You are nuts Glenny.......... No I'm not.

The EPA has made drill permit times go from 2 weeks to up to 2 years. We have more oil reserves than Saudi Arabia. Nat gas, we have more here than any where in the world, a 100 years worth. Coal, Obama promised in 08 that he was elected, he was going to put the coal miners "OUT OF BUSINESS". Over 50% of our electricity come from coal powered plants. Go ahead and plug you new "GREEN" electric car in. TO WHAT???? Our EPA is shutting down old coal electric plants as fast as CHINA is putting up even dirtier burning ones. HELLO, Which way does the wind blow? Nuclear? FOGEDABOUT IT. The NRC doesn't want any new plants, they want to close the ones that are running. Wind power,Solar, GREAT. Except they are out of the reach of the average American and at this point in time the only people that can afford them are people subsidized by tax dollars that come from the same people that can't afford them. The average solar panel with inverter,(electrical converter) runs about 750$. The average home needs about 50 panels to "BREAK EVEN".

OK,,, So GLENNY why would you cal this TREASONOUS?
Because every energy policy we are following is hurting every Americans welfare. We are no longer talking about just staying warm in the winter or cool in the summer,,, Now we are talking about food.
Here is the kicker! The one National Think Tank, The one national brain trust we had. The one agency that even with monumental waste has produced more good in my life time than I could list has been defunded and systematically dismembered. That one agency that can lead us into the 25 century, but for now it is crippled, is NASA. Treason? yes because this all adds up to fundamentally destroying AMERICA, destroying AMERICAN LIVES, and an attempt at destroying all hope, for hope, and all change for the good.

If you all want to elect a president that lead us into darkness,,, That is what you will get.
I don't see any leaders on the horizon. God help us all.




Just wondering if you have heard of the E-cat!

An italian inventor by the name of Andrea Rossi has inveted something
witch could be the answer to all of our energy problems based on the
concept of cold fusion (LENR).A huge debate is rageing in the
blogosphere with proponents of hot fusion(wicth recieves big funding
but has never created usable power)and mainsteam science crying HOAX,
SCAM,FRAUD,because obviously they stad to loose funding and if this
turns out to be real.

you can also expect big government and the energy cartels to try and
supress this because it would mean that people would no longer be
tied to the grid without the need for centralisation wich is not in
thier intrest at all as we would effectively be free of their
controll.

To see what all the fuss is about check these links.

http://www.facebook.com/EnergyCatalyzer
http://ecatnow.com/
http://www.e-catworld.com/
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/
http://freeenergytruth.blogspot.com
http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/
http://pesn.com/

Here is a great interview on cashflow radio with Andrea Rossi as guest
http://www.achieveradio.com/archDL.php? ... h_Flow.mp3

#163246 by PaperDog
Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:42 pm
Dizzizz wrote:A mural expressing the school's allegiance with "Our Heavenly Father" is school-sanctioned prayer. Students are free to pray on their own. They're free to discuss the bible, free to worship openly. But the school cannot require it, as Jessica's school was. In this article (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/14/judge-prayer-banner-high-school_n_1205627.html), it mentions assemblies where students were read to from the bible. This is unconstitutional, and has been clearly since 1962. Saying Christians aren't allowed to express their own beliefs is hyperbolic.



Okay, Lets nitpick... :)

1) The banner was there before the 1962 supreme court abolished State sanctioned prayer..

2) The banner remained, since for all that time, in and of itself, it was not regarded as a "prayer" per se. Closing our eyes and saying 'Our heavenly father" does not constitute a real prayer...SO my point is... nobody up to Alquist... seemed to put out by it. (An ya gotta believe there was others atheists attending school since 1962)

3) Alquists civil rights were violated when she was threatened with physical harm. The law does not care 'Why" she got threatened. However, the the Post arbitrarily fabricated and implied a reason why she was threatened...

At the end of the day, people were pissed that she had the sign taken down... Its Not because she was one of a hundred other atheists, (who could have cared less about the damn sign..)

4) The judge was correct in citing that the banner was a violation of constitutional rights...He had the sign removed, not because of what it stood for, not because he agrees with atheism or disagrees with Christianity...But solely because its presence and manner of presentation defied the 1962 act. That's it. So don't think this is a "score" for atheists. :) The real winner is is Civil and constitutional rights, being upheld.

Alquist was "right" and indeed had the right to have the sign removed...

Now, given all the other atheists, who flat didn't give a sh*t either way about the sign, Alquist is probably viewed less about atheism and more about desperate need for personal notoriety... She obviously pursued this ... because she probably harbors a hatred against Christians...and has a desperate need for the attention she got. She 's somewhat a little hero amongst her friends...and you know what...Most of the other Atheists STILL don't give a sh*t about that banner and would have just moved on...

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