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I like Ron Paul. He is my Representative. I do NOT like his Foreign policy. Beleive me when I tell you NO ONE will stay home and not vote in protest in November. That is what liberals want us to beleive but it's not going to happen NICE TRY THOUGH! There is too much at stake. All conservatives know this! There will be a solidarity amougnst us Conservatives the likes of which has not been seen in some time! You will see!

And if your Republican nominee gets elected, you will personally be poorer, with fewer job opportunities, higher taxes, more debt, less regulations to safeguard you from corporate raiders, and you will have less access to affordable health care.

I can understand why the financially elite would vote Republican. What I can't understand is why an everyman such as yourself would. You're hurting yourself by doing so.

You believe that crap Chris? BULLSHIT!!!!!!

Just doing some research on Keystone, the crude it would carry is sand oil, very dirty oil that requires significant energy and cost to process. Several states are concerned since the pipeline would cross natural aquifers that could be compromised if the pipeline fails. Finally, there's a good chance the oil would be sold to Europe and other markets at a higher price and Americans would not see one penny in savings. Obama wanted to wait until 2013 to study the proposal properly but was forced to make a decision by the Reps. The White House is getting ready to turn down the proposal.

You believe that crap? BULLSHIT!!!!!!

Come on Jeff, you didn't even mention that Nebraska had the biggest concern regarding the pipeline crossing major aquifers. They're currently studying how they could reroute it but this takes time. Or do you believe the feds should have the power to ignore a state's concerns? I never claimed to be an expert but I can read.

Ok so 10,000 Nebraska's people are going to keep 20,000 people from getting jobs and another 20,000 older Americans are going to have to decide wether they HEAT OR EAT! BULLSHIT!!!!!

Come on Jeff, you didn't even mention that Nebraska had the biggest concern regarding the pipeline crossing major aquifers. They're currently studying how they could reroute it but this takes time. Or do you believe the feds should have the power to ignore a state's concerns? I never claimed to be an expert but I can read.

Three years. Meanwhile money is being transfered from every American in the name of GREEN AND BEING CAREFUL!!! Life is full of risks. I'm amazed any of you have the balls to get out of bed in the morning. YEAH ,,, YOU MIGHT DIE.

This whole thing about ONE little pipeline has once again distracted and confused the simple minded. It is the general intent of this policy that should be the focus.

All right you wise guys,,,,
Why did we give 2 BILLION to Brazil and petrobras, (george soros is a major stock holder, and contributor to organizations touting obama). TO DRILL WELLS 5 TIMES DEEPER THAN ANY IN THE GULF. Quote OBAMA."So we can become good oil customers of Brazil" FLUCK THAT! That money should have been spent at home helping AMERICANS.
14 of those privately owned multi billion dollar oil rigs are GONE. Obama doesn't want them here. He wants you to pay $20 a gallon for gas and starve when you can no longer afford to buy food.
YOU GUYS STILL DON'T GET IT.
No nukes,No coal, No nat gas, No oil.
How about Green energy?

How about refunding NASA.

NO, NO , NOOOO. To many smart people, and they might figure out away to light the world. We don't want that. American people might succeed and grow and become successful.

SAD, SO SAD.

I like Ron Paul. He is my Representative. I do NOT like his Foreign policy. Beleive me when I tell you NO ONE will stay home and not vote in protest in November. That is what liberals want us to beleive but it's not going to happen NICE TRY THOUGH! There is too much at stake. All conservatives know this! There will be a solidarity amougnst us Conservatives the likes of which has not been seen in some time! You will see!

And if your Republican nominee gets elected, you will personally be poorer, with fewer job opportunities, higher taxes, more debt, less regulations to safeguard you from corporate raiders, and you will have less access to affordable health care.

I can understand why the financially elite would vote Republican. What I can't understand is why an everyman such as yourself would. You're hurting yourself by doing so.

You believe that crap Chris? BULLSHIT!!!!!!

What's bullshit?

I mean, let's start with health care. It's been pretty easy to see where the Republicans stand on that issue. They want it private and they don't care if everyone has access, let alone affordable access. So I don't see how it's "bullshit" to say that if the Republicans are in office, you'll see less access to health care and less affordable health care. Seems pretty true to me given their track record in recent years.

How about deregulation?

Republicans have been the party of deregulation. They championed it during the Reagan years and they are doing it now. Watching the debates it is a point they hammer on all the time, from Dodd/Frank to SOX. It's a philosophical belief that they hold. And while on the surface I can agree with it, in practice it sucks. The idea behind deregulation is to get out of the way of people who want to actually create jobs. But in practice, it opens the doors for companies like Enron to fleece the American public and their employees. It opens the doors for the banking industry to collapse and have to be bailed by - drum roll - the American taxpayer. Regulation is an important facet of the free market and ensuring integrity and ethics.

So no, that's not bullshit. You will see less regulation if Republicans have their way. And you will see corporations take advantage of that in unethical ways, as history has already shown us.

Personally poorer?

Yep - you and me will be. Oh sure, Donald Trump will keep more money - that's the Republican way; support the 1%. But you and I will pay the same taxes or higher taxes. The Republican's aren't interested in helping the middle class. It's been their M.O. for the past two decades. Read my lips...

More debt?

Absolutely, because while the Republicans like to say they are the fiscally conservative party, they aren't. If you were shown the numbers of two recent presidents and asked which one was the fiscal conservative, I'm sure you'd get Bush mixed up with Clinton. Which one actually had a surplus when he left office? Which one was in office when our country underwent the greatest period of economic growth in it's 200 year history? Who created trillons in national debt while in office?

The Republican's can say they are the fiscally conservative, but they haven't been. People need to stop parroting the words on FAUX News and start actually looking at the numbers and the history of the two parties.


There was a time, long ago, when these two parties weren't gathered around the set of ideals that they were gathered around now. Civil war and a bunch of other events caused the party ideologies to shift over time.

I think we're seeing another shift, but people are so attached to their party that they don't want to see it. The Republican's USED TO BE the party that supported individual freedoms, fiscal responsibility and American values. But they aren't that party anymore!


THEY ARE NOT THAT PARTY ANYMORE PEOPLE!!!


They are now the party of: NOT fiscally conservative, infringe on your personal rights (unless you're an embryo), and forget American values - they are only the party of Christian religions now. (I really hesitate to say "Christian Values" because I think Jesus would be really disappointed in the Republican party and their open display of hate toward the poor and less fortunate).

This isn't your father's Republican party anymore. Not even close.

This is a party that has shift in philosophy. They are now guided by two principles: Christian Religions and Capitalism. That's it.

Somehow the Republican party has been hijacked by the Religious Right in American, and by the All-mighty Dollar.


There was a time when I could have supported a Republican candidate for office. Back in the day when they really were fiscally conservative and focused on individual rights (which it still doesn't make sense to me that Republicans are the party that champions gun ownership and other personal liberties, but then they won't let a woman get an abortion... makes no sense).

OK, Let me put it a different way,
Why do we have even ONE of our wonderful military putting their life and limb on the line to protect our energy interest?

To protect some white spotted salamander or a lone caribou.

All these problems can be resolved right here at home.

But NOT one of our leaders is standing up screaming YES WE CAN!

Not one republican, liberal, conservative, or democrat.
The scary thing is that this is a weakness that can be exploited by the willing against the gullible. If our government officials were CEOs they would have to be fired before companies failed.

ALL THESE PROBLEMS can be resolved right here at home. Forget about corporate greed,,,, Political greed is far worse. It is stopping our great country from leading our planet into the next century and beyond.

Chris there you go again. There is massive bleeding because an arm was chopped off ,,, and you are concerned with a callous on the foot.

You are just getting dragged along with all the BULSHITTTTTT.

We will come back and solve those tiny problems later.

The biggest problem now is ENERGY.

Should we go back to slavery, put em treadmills , feed em once a day,,,, green mean and lean.

You are missing the whole fuccing point and you arguments will not hold up to all the guns that are going to be pointed at traitors, and people that don't root for the Giants, and the Patriots this sunday,so we have another super bowl rematch.

Lighten up dude. Do it my way before THEY KILL your grand kids.

Chris , how much money is being taken away from you right now. You don't have a clue. That doesn't make you stupid, I don't think anyone could answer that. But it's BIG!!!!
Solve the problem , stop pointing fingers, solve the problem.

Its that simple.

#1 ENERGY, period.

I mean, let's start with health care. It's been pretty easy to see where the Republicans stand on that issue. They want it private and they don't care if everyone has access, let alone affordable access. So I don't see how it's "bullshit" to say that if the Republicans are in office, you'll see less access to health care and less affordable health care. Seems pretty true to me given their track record in recent years.

(Slowly draws shotgun ... PULL! )

The only people who need to worry about a republican health-care bill are the needle-exchange recipients and the welfare mamas who would rather spend the money (they earn from illicit sale of food stamps or drugs) on liposuction, instead of on their kid's education...

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How about deregulation?

Republicans have been the party of deregulation. They championed it during the Reagan years and they are doing it now. Watching the debates it is a point they hammer on all the time, from Dodd/Frank to SOX. It's a philosophical belief that they hold. And while on the surface I can agree with it, in practice it sucks. The idea behind deregulation is to get out of the way of people who want to actually create jobs. But in practice, it opens the doors for companies like Enron to fleece the American public and their employees. It opens the doors for the banking industry to collapse and have to be bailed by - drum roll - the American taxpayer. Regulation is an important facet of the free market and ensuring integrity and ethics.

Yes, Thanks to deregulation, AT&T lost their monopoly, being forced to compete... Way better off today for it... Otherwise it would cost you $400.00 to get on line to read this post....In Practice it Sucks? Have you noticed the US Postal System augering down in flames lately? Wanna know why...? Cause UPS and FED EX kicks their ass by competitively delivering packages ON TIME..with solid Q.O.S. When mail and package delivery was 'regulated, there would not be the jobs or careers that UPS and FED EX offer today. And have yo ever taken a Postal Exam...? Its a stonewall to a life in civil service...

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So no, that's not bullshit. You will see less regulation if Republicans have their way. And you will see corporations take advantage of that in unethical ways, as history has already shown us.

That same history reveals that Corps were taking advantage when regulation prevailed... Organizational Ethics has nothing to do with economic function, which is what deregulation addresses. Its already been proved, that regulation creates what we call "Barriers to Entry" across industries. The debate is already over on that... and the consensus by the experts is that Deregulation serves to increase competition, which in turn maximizes quality of service and product, which in turn improves the quality of life.

Regulation can and does provide a framework, in which, industries can and do successfully operate on established standards... For example, the practice of Medicine is highly regulated, in order to preserve patient safety, against malpractice. Note that the regulation does not impede American workers from gaining qualified access to that industry (No barriers per se)
Also Note that the Medical Industry, being regulated does not account for the RAMPANT AND UNETHICAL HEALTHCARE FRAUD that saturates the industry right now....

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Personally poorer?

Yep - you and me will be. Oh sure, Donald Trump will keep more money - that's the Republican way; support the 1%. But you and I will pay the same taxes or higher taxes. The Republican's aren't interested in helping the middle class. It's been their M.O. for the past two decades. Read my lips...

Know whats' cool about that.. I am not interested in what republicans can do for me while i'm in the middle class... Hence, I need no government assistance to help me pull myself up and out...

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More debt?

Absolutely, because while the Republicans like to say they are the fiscally conservative party, they aren't. If you were shown the numbers of two recent presidents and asked which one was the fiscal conservative, I'm sure you'd get Bush mixed up with Clinton. Which one actually had a surplus when he left office? Which one was in office when our country underwent the greatest period of economic growth in it's 200 year history? Who created trillons in national debt while in office?

Clinton bamboozled the Democratic party into donating huge sums of cash back to the treasurey to fund a little war called the Balkins conflict. By Bamboozled, I mean he paid off a guy (David Binder) at the NY times to create and coin a slogan known as "Ethnic Cleansing" to be used in a propaganda splooge claiming "Genocide" against "Innocent Albanians" ... to get the party to sympathize with a war effort they would never otherwise approve of. They dug deep in the pockets for more money..., Read up on the Serbian War... and Clinton, and Corridor 8 and the pipeline projects in that region... So, while clinton was getting blow jobs at the ovulation office, Gen Wesley Clark took all that Cash that Clinton raised and launched a "depleted Uranuium" attack on the Serbians (Highly illegal tactic) . Let me just say this about the Serbs... They were killing Muslums , before it was cool to kill muslums... for the same reason we are killing them now... You wanna talk about ethics and Clinton in the same breath?

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I think we're seeing another shift, but people are so attached to their party that they don't want to see it. The Republican's USED TO BE the party that supported individual freedoms, fiscal responsibility and American values. But they aren't that party anymore!

THEY ARE NOT THAT PARTY ANYMORE PEOPLE!!!

Funny, I was thinking the same about the democrats... They "USED" to represent the blue collar -hard-working man and his family...Now, its a bunch of free loaders, who think they are entitled to my hard earned dollars.


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They are now the party of: NOT fiscally conservative, infringe on your personal rights (unless you're an embryo), and forget American values - they are only the party of Christian religions now. (I really hesitate to say "Christian Values" because I think Jesus would be really disappointed in the Republican party and their open display of hate toward the poor and less fortunate).

Really? Can you please list the democrat "American Values" you speak of ?...
-Abortion
-Welfare-
- Government sponsored Velveeta...
- Anti Christian
- (If One lives in California, its okay to suck a dick at Disneyland, but you arent allowed to smoke a cigar there)

Am I missing any other of your American Values?

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This isn't your father's Republican party anymore. Not even close.

This is a party that has shift in philosophy. They are now guided by two principles: Christian Religions and Capitalism. That's it.

Somehow the Republican party has been hijacked by the Religious Right in American, and by the All-mighty Dollar.

History will show that the whole nation was practically founded on those two principles... So where do you get "hijacked" from?

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There was a time when I could have supported a Republican candidate for office. Back in the day when they really were fiscally conservative and focused on individual rights (which it still doesn't make sense to me that Republicans are the party that champions gun ownership and other personal liberties, but then they won't let a woman get an abortion... makes no sense).

Well, it wont make any sense to anybody who aint got some degree of religion in their philosophy. The debate over abortion is a futile one... Science could hand the facts over on a silver platter and there are still gonna be idiots on either side to refute it.

This isn't your father's Republican party anymore. Not even close.

This is a party that has shift in philosophy. They are now guided by two principles: Christian Religions and Capitalism. That's it.

Somehow the Republican party has been hijacked by the Religious Right in American, and by the All-mighty Dollar.

History will show that the whole nation was practically founded on those two principles... So where do you get "hijacked" from?

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries." - Treaty of Tripoli, Ratified June 7, 1797, Signed President John Adams, June 10, 1797. "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian Religion..."


As a signing statement, Adams wrote this:

Now be it known, That I John Adams, President of the United States of America, having seen and considered the said Treaty do, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, accept, ratify, and confirm the same, and every clause and article thereof. And to the End that the said Treaty may be observed, and performed with good Faith on the part of the United States, I have ordered the premises to be made public; And I do hereby enjoin and require all persons bearing office civil or military within the United States, and all other citizens or inhabitants thereof, faithfully to observe and fulfill the said Treaty and every clause and article thereof.

He wrote that all citizens are required to observe the principles in the treaty - That wars are not started, governments not run, and judgements not made by religion. That's what our country was founded on, and that's what history shows.


As to Capitalism, it would be great if we had it. But the almighty mess that is corporate law and copyright law prevents a free market from forming. Just keep feeding your money to Virgin, Viacom, Time Warner, Comcast, et. al.

You have a good point...However, regarding that anti-war treaty...and our economy....forthwhither...(snort...) ... The entire enmity of our laws (Which ironically have their basis in Judeao-Christian tenets), and of wars derived from a non-pretext (arising from religious opinions)...context...have been bought and paid for with money that explicitely states..."In God We Trust".

You said "History will show" that the U.S. was founded on Christian Religion. If it does, it'll be because of another period of fear dragging the education system further into revisionist history.

Well technically, the forefathers were not Christians (Instead, they were deists) , and the constitution did not express allegiance to Christian or any other religion,... So technically you are correct in refuting that the country was founded on Christian religion...

What I should have said was: the country was 'domintaed' by Christian principles... (As opposed to Hindu, Bhuddist, Muslum, Wiccan, etc).

The whole discovery and pursuit of this continent has its roots in some form or religious overtone...and it was primarily Christian religion... America was mapped by Columbus (who was working for the Catholics), The American revolution was rooted in the escape from one form of Christianity to another form of CHristianity (Even though the Constitution does not promote the distinctions and subsequent divisions...

From the mechanics of government perspective..you are correct...From the social perspective I believe I am correct...

The question which remains, is why so many non-believers feel threatened by Christians, if in fact the Constitution protects the secular from the religious?