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The man wants 5 dollar a gallon gas so he can force everyone to buy his impractical green agenda. The thing that cracks me up is when he was talking about Govenor Rick Perry he said "here is a govenor who's state is on fire and he doesn't believe in global warming". He said this last summer during the Texas wild fire's. Here is the thing. Rick Perry doesn't believe MAN is the cause of global warming. Global warming has been occuring since the last ICE AGE! I guess if you want to force your tree hugging agenda you invest billions in companies like Solyndra and strangle the businesses that actually produce a usable energy source like Evil Oil Co. that provide practical usable energy and jobs NOW! Folks I believe alternative clean energy sources should be researched and developed. I don't believe they should be forced through government over regulation when they are impractical and unaffordable by most of America and certainly not at the sacrifice of our economy!

Two things:

1) Oil is a finite resource. It will run out some day. Higher prices are inevitable due to rising global demands and dwindling resources. This is simple supply & demand math here people.

2) Man is causing global warming.

Check the research. Rick Perry and other right-wing Republicans can say whatever they want, but their days of sticking their head in the sand and being completely ignorant of the facts are over. Their recent switch in stance over the past few years from "there is no global warming" to "okay, there's global warming, but we don't think man is the cause of it" is simply an attempt to maintain the status quo.

I mean, has everyone simply FORGOT how this whole thing started? Does anyone but me remember when Global Warming was first seen as a threat, how staunchly the right-wingers came out and said FLAT OUT "global warming is not real". Hell, even some conservative radio hosts are STILL believing that lie, but for the most part now they admit it IS real. But instead of accepting the facts and science and evidence, they're trying to shift the blame away from humans. Which is a joke, but at least it's consistent with right-wing thinking, which is basically: we can do no wrong.

Everyone else in the research community, including previous hard-core skeptics, have put political agendas aside, looked at the research and evidence objectively, and come to the same conclusion. Man is causing this. We are doing this to our own planet.

Time for this to be a 'debate' is over. It's not even a question anymore. Global warming is real, we're the primary cause of its acceleration, and we need to address this before we kill our planet. We're crapping at our own kitchen table.

The only questions we have to answer now is, "What are we going to do about it?"

On that measure, I'm with you J-HALEY. We have to do research and development and develop alternative, clean energy sources. But how we go about that is a real issue...

There's a problem with NOT getting the government involved, and it is this: Private Sector won't make a move until there is MONETARY gain to be had. Unless there's profit in it, the private sector won't do a damn thing. And researching clean energy sources is NOT a money-making endeavor. It's going to take tons of cash to find better sources of energy.

"I don't believe they should be forced through government over regulation when they are impractical and unaffordable by most of America"

I tend to agree with that sentiment. But something is going to have to happen in order for clean, alternative sources of energy to become reality... And I don't trust Capitalism to get it done without some kind of monetary incentive. The people with the cash and power to actually make alternative energy sources a reality aren't going to do it just because it's good for the planet.

He can kiss my ass - that's what he can do!

Govt exists to protect our freedom and our borders. And to adjudicate disputes between states. Period.

They are not doing their job. Fire them all!

Talbot

Two things:



2) Man is causing global warming.

Then prove it.



The psuedo-science hasn't done so. The earth is a living organism and ozone holes "could be" for letting polution out into space, as much as anything else as far as we actually know. Space has plenty of room, btw.

We see weather changes globally because the earth has moved on it's axis at least 3 times that I know of in the last decade, which puts one place closer to the sun and another farther away.

The Green movement is about economic terrorism and political extortion. At the upper echelons, they dont' give a rip about anything but cash. They own all the industries who stand to make money on this and are forcing it down everyone's throat with lies.

He can kiss my ass - that's what he can do!

Govt exists to protect our freedom and our borders. And to adjudicate disputes between states. Period.

They are not doing their job. Fire them all!

Talbot

Two things:

1) Oil is a finite resource. It will run out some day. Higher prices are inevitable due to rising global demands and dwindling resources. This is simple supply & demand math here people.

2) Man is causing global warming.

Check the research. Rick Perry and other right-wing Republicans can say whatever they want, but their days of sticking their head in the sand and being completely ignorant of the facts are over. Their recent switch in stance over the past few years from "there is no global warming" to "okay, there's global warming, but we don't think man is the cause of it" is simply an attempt to maintain the status quo.

I mean, has everyone simply FORGOT how this whole thing started? Does anyone but me remember when Global Warming was first seen as a threat, how staunchly the right-wingers came out and said FLAT OUT "global warming is not real". Hell, even some conservative radio hosts are STILL believing that lie, but for the most part now they admit it IS real. But instead of accepting the facts and science and evidence, they're trying to shift the blame away from humans. Which is a joke, but at least it's consistent with right-wing thinking, which is basically: we can do no wrong.

Everyone else in the research community, including previous hard-core skeptics, have put political agendas aside, looked at the research and evidence objectively, and come to the same conclusion. Man is causing this. We are doing this to our own planet.

Time for this to be a 'debate' is over. It's not even a question anymore. Global warming is real, we're the primary cause of its acceleration, and we need to address this before we kill our planet. We're crapping at our own kitchen table.

The only questions we have to answer now is, "What are we going to do about it?"

On that measure, I'm with you J-HALEY. We have to do research and development and develop alternative, clean energy sources. But how we go about that is a real issue...

There's a problem with NOT getting the government involved, and it is this: Private Sector won't make a move until there is MONETARY gain to be had. Unless there's profit in it, the private sector won't do a damn thing. And researching clean energy sources is NOT a money-making endeavor. It's going to take tons of cash to find better sources of energy.

"I don't believe they should be forced through government over regulation when they are impractical and unaffordable by most of America"

I tend to agree with that sentiment. But something is going to have to happen in order for clean, alternative sources of energy to become reality... And I don't trust Capitalism to get it done without some kind of monetary incentive. The people with the cash and power to actually make alternative energy sources a reality aren't going to do it just because it's good for the planet.

Nicely put Chris. Regardless if you believe that man has had an impact on Global Warming, we need to drastically cut consumption of fossil fuels NOW. If you don't believe that you're not just a denier, you're an idiot.

Two things:



2) Man is causing global warming.

prove it.



The psuedo-science hasn't done so. The earth is a living organ and ozone holes "could be" for letting polution out into space, as much as anything else. Space has plenty of room, btw.

The Green movement is about economic terrorism and political extortion. At the upper echelons, they dont' give a rip about anything but cash. They own all the industries who stand to make money on this and are forcing it down everyone's throat with lies.

I hate to break it to you but CO2 buildup and the depletion of the ozone layer are two different problems. To suggest that holes in the ozone layer are "for letting polution (sic) out into space" is one of the most ludicrous, inane things I've ever read on this forum. If you were just kidding please warn us when you're making a joke.

Two things:



2) Man is causing global warming.

prove it.



The psuedo-science hasn't done so. The earth is a living organ and ozone holes "could be" for letting polution out into space, as much as anything else. Space has plenty of room, btw.

The Green movement is about economic terrorism and political extortion. At the upper echelons, they dont' give a rip about anything but cash. They own all the industries who stand to make money on this and are forcing it down everyone's throat with lies.

I hate to break it to you but CO2 buildup and the depletion of the ozone layer are two different problems. To suggest that holes in the ozone layer are "for letting polution (sic) out into space" is one of the most ludicrous, inane things I've ever read on this forum. If you were just kidding please warn us when you're making a joke.

You missed the part about "as much as anything else" so I'll clarify. It makes as much sense as the crap they're feeding you liberally.

The psuedo-scientists have been caught in many lies now. I don't trust liars with an agenda who make billions on the lemmings they scare.

And anyone who thinks global warming is new, is an idiot.


We've been warming and cooling for many centuries. Don't be a sucker.




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the real idiots are people who think they can run a modern nation with solar panels and windmills...

if you could, YOUR house could be off the grid right now, think about it.



"it is morally wrong to let a sucker keep his money"
W.C. Fields

Speaking of ozone holes: i was a young kid delivering newspapers when this horror occurred and it scared the heck out of me.
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Russia/TsarBomba.html

The Soviets created and tested a 100 Megaton bomb - so powerful that if detonated in Europe would impact an area the width of W. Germany. It was tested in the arctic and utterly flattened over 100 kM rather desolate terroritory - everything vaporized. Broke windows 700 km away.

It worked but it scared everybody so much that both sides started to ratchet down the nuke weapons programs and try to get it all under control.

Wasn't long after that detonation that we started hearing about holes in the ozone layer. Man made problem? i think so.

Talbot

Christopher Holmes, you say oil is a finite source and I agree. Please be REALISTIC when making this statement. IMO it is not NEAR as finite as you think.
Chris what kind of vehicle do you drive?
I knew this thread was going to cause a stir but folks lets PALEEZE have a considerate debate here (whimper snivel please)!!!
Man MAY NOT BE CAUSING global warming! This Planet we live on has endured global warming to the point that it destroyed 97% of all life on earth over 200 million years ago! This would be before MAN existed! My belief is that this planet we live on was alive before we got here and will be alive WAY after we are gone. I think that you liberals are so arrogant that you believe man is the center of the universe. i.e. there is no god so its a free for all, you can play god and KILL the most innocent (unborn children), even though it has been scientifically proven the earth has experienced global warming over and over it must be the GOD ALMIGHTY MAN THAT CAUSED IT!
What I don't understand is how folks like JimmyD and Christopher Holmes, can just keep spewing out the WORN OUT SOCIALIST AGENDA as though it is their own intelligence! Wow dudes get over your EGO'S trust me its not ALL ABOUT YOUR PSUEDO Agenda! Man WILL DIE and the earth WILL LIVE trust me BRO she has lived through WAY worse than us mere humans. Earth has experienced, massive vulcanism, asteroid and meteor impacts. Science has proven that the Great Dying was caused by massive vulcanism and the End of the Dinosaur age allowed us mere mammals to ascend to GOD LEVEL and capable of destroying the world!

Yeah Right! if you are gullible enough to believe that MAN has that much power I have a bridge I would like to sell you!

Speaking of ozone holes: i was a young kid delivering newspapers when this horror occurred and it scared the heck out of me.
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Russia/TsarBomba.html

The Soviets created and tested a 100 Megaton bomb - so powerful that if detonated in Europe would impact an area the width of W. Germany. It was tested in the arctic and utterly flattened over 100 kM rather desolate terroritory - everything vaporized. Broke windows 700 km away.

It worked but it scared everybody so much that both sides started to ratchet down the nuke weapons programs and try to get it all under control.

Wasn't long after that detonation that we started hearing about holes in the ozone layer. Man made problem? i think so.

Talbot

damn
to think for the last 30 years they have been telling us it was CFC's
I guess we can bring back R-11, and start saving money on refrigeration again.

http://fuelfix.com/blog/2012/01/11/former-shell-exeuctive-says-signs-point-to-5-gas/

The man wants 5 dollar a gallon gas so he can force everyone to buy his impractical green agenda. The thing that cracks me up is when he was talking about Govenor Rick Perry he said "here is a govenor who's state is on fire and he doesn't believe in global warming". He said this last summer during the Texas wild fire's. Here is the thing. Rick Perry doesn't believe MAN is the cause of global warming. Global warming has been occuring since the last ICE AGE! I guess if you want to force your tree hugging agenda you invest billions in companies like Solyndra and strangle the businesses that actually produce a usable energy source like Evil Oil Co. that provide practical usable energy and jobs NOW! Folks I believe alternative clean energy sources should be researched and developed. I don't believe they should be forced through government over regulation when they are impractical and unaffordable by most of America and certainly not at the sacrifice of our economy!

The greenie weenie anal retentive meanies have been touting "global warming" for a decade-plus... But every freaking last one of them refuses to give up his/her SUVs and Hot tubs. Ask how many of them have steak-sauce in their frigerators...

The earth traverses around the sun in an ellipses, like a damn Spirograph...You gotta believe that some years are gonna be hotter than others... That don't mean the world is coming to an end.

By the way...The Mayan Calendar just got a service-pack 2 upgrade...and we got @500 million years added until we cook... And when we cook...its because our sun will be burning that much hotter and brighter (as all suns progressively do) ...Them's the scientific factaroonies... It sure as hell aint gonna because of anything man did.

I mean, has everyone simply FORGOT how this whole thing started? Does anyone but me remember when Global Warming was first seen as a threat, how staunchly the right-wingers came out and said FLAT OUT "global warming is not real". Hell, even some conservative radio hosts are STILL believing that lie, but for the most part now they admit it IS real. But instead of accepting the facts and science and evidence, they're trying to shift the blame away from humans. Which is a joke, but at least it's consistent with right-wing thinking, which is basically: we can do no wrong.

Everyone else in the research community, including previous hard-core skeptics, have put political agendas aside, looked at the research and evidence objectively, and come to the same conclusion. Man is causing this. We are doing this to our own planet.

Christopher...sorry I just don't agree with your assertion here...

I don't buy any of the so-called evidence... (We already know that major research institutions on the environment have, in the past, admitted to fudging numbers to win their cases.. )

There is absolutely no credible evidence to prove that man is causing global warming... If we set off ever y dang nuke inthe world right now... We'd feel the climate impact for a decade or two, tops (If the theory of fallout winter holds true) then the earth would self-correct... No way we have the power to destroy this planet. We might kill ourselves off... but never the planet...Especially , never global warming...