General Music Chat

Jung: “We are not sinful, shameful human creatures who have to somehow earn Spirituality. We are Spiritual Beings having a human experience."

The shadow is an archetypal form that serves as the focus for material that has been repressed from consciousness its contents include those tendencies desires and memories that are rejected by the individual as incompatible with the persona and contrary to social standards and ideals.

The shadow contains all the negative tendencies the individual wishes to deny, including our animal instincts, as well as undeveloped positive and negative qualities.

Images of evil, the devil and the concept of original sin are all aspects of the shadow archetype.

Jung is a very outdated theorist. He was a side-man to Freud (Who is also outdated) . He has even less credence for me than any spiritual system of faith that I might hold.

I don't think Jung ever experienced real evil. In fact , I have to believe he was quite sheltered and scarcely experienced any real life. He was strictly 'academic' and untried . I am certain that if he had ever witnessed real evil, (I'm talking serious atrocity, so 'inhumane and perverse', that the only immediate reaction was to vomit , followed by months of unsettling nightmares, self-questioning), his entire body of work on shadows , Archetypes and persona would have taken a different direction.

So is the theory of gravity! Still relevant as is Jung. I am certain Dr. Jung experienced pure evil in his life, if not from his patients of the highest dementia.

I suggest you read about Dr. Jung, you are completely wrong in your assumption.

Since you mentioned it... Indeed it is 2012... I look around me... and I see where all of your intellect and theory (which really paints the picture of a mechanized existence as opposed to a spiritual one) has contributed absolutely nothing to make this world a better place.

Exactly where are you looking, no further than your nose, this site perhaps? LOL, I am extremely involved in the spiritual community, that includes religious zealots, psychologists, atheists, scientists, and occultists as myself.

I am a strong and positive influence in my community, whether it be the music or spiritual community. There is NOTHING negative about my Work.
I suggest you understand further about me before passing your laughable Christian judgement.

Carl Jung

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Since you mentioned it... Indeed it is 2012... I look around me... and I see where all of your intellect and theory (which really paints the picture of a mechanized existence as opposed to a spiritual one) has contributed absolutely nothing to make this world a better place.

Well ETU... Apparently I hit a nerve with ya here... Maybe you got some baggage here... I have always contended that the truth itself doesnt hurt us..Its the rate at which we accept it that does... Dont want ya to hurt man...so take it slow and easy.

Exactly where are you looking, no further than your nose, this site perhaps? LOL, I am extremely involved in the spiritual community, that includes religious zealots, psychologists, atheists, scientists, and occultists as myself.

None of these types, which you describe would have one iota of a clue really about spirituality. They are typically hung up on some out-dated mantra...Drop names like "Carl Jung"... to sound impressive and try to fake people into believing that they are somehow in touch with some degree of "reality". They don't know sh*t about reality... All in all they operate on "self-importance".

I am a strong and positive influence in my community, whether it be the music or spiritual community. There is NOTHING negative about my Work. I suggest you understand further about me before passing your laughable Christian judgement.

Yeah...Sorry, but dancing naked under the moon (or whatever it is you occultists do) aint my idea of "positive influence". Come talk to me when you find the cure for cancer, or figure out how to persuade humanity to stop wars..or prevent poverty... I bet your community is just as f**k - ed up today as it was when you entered it.

I did respect you at one point.. Not anymore... Now I believe you to be patently full of sh*t. ... I take offense at your disrespect to me about my Christian faith. while at the same time, you puke out your own level of self righteousness

All I see in you now, is a f**k - ing hypocrite.

Since you mentioned it... Indeed it is 2012... I look around me... and I see where all of your intellect and theory (which really paints the picture of a mechanized existence as opposed to a spiritual one) has contributed absolutely nothing to make this world a better place.

Well ETU... Apparently I hit a nerve with ya here... Maybe you got some baggage here... I have always contended that the truth itself doesnt hurt us..Its the rate at which we accept it that does... Dont want ya to hurt man...so take it slow and easy.

Exactly where are you looking, no further than your nose, this site perhaps? LOL, I am extremely involved in the spiritual community, that includes religious zealots, psychologists, atheists, scientists, and occultists as myself.

None of these types, which you describe would have one iota of a clue really about spirituality. They are typically hung up on some out-dated mantra...Drop names like "Carl Jung"... to sound impressive and try to fake people into believing that they are somehow in touch with some degree of "reality". They don't know sh*t about reality... All in all they operate on "self-importance".

I am a strong and positive influence in my community, whether it be the music or spiritual community. There is NOTHING negative about my Work. I suggest you understand further about me before passing your laughable Christian judgement.

Yeah...Sorry, but dancing naked under the moon (or whatever it is you occultists do) aint my idea of "positive influence". Come talk to me when you find the cure for cancer, or figure out how to persuade humanity to stop wars..or prevent poverty... I bet your community is just as f**k - ed up today as it was when you entered it.

I did respect you at one point.. Not anymore... Now I believe you to be patently full of sh*t. ... I take offense at your disrespect to me about my Christian faith. while at the same time, you puke out your own level of self righteousness

All I see in you now, is a f**k - ing hypocrite.

You haven't hit a nerve, though I'm sure you would be in your evil glory had you, but thank you for the consideration.
I have no baggage like you (2,000 yrs worth) . . . I'll HURT who I need to hurt.

Out dated mantra

?WTF are you talking about? So, a scientist that lived a couple of years ago is not as relevant as some dumb ass abridged book compilation from Christian zealots thousands of years ago? Oh, yeah , , , now you're making Christian sense.

Yeah...Sorry, but dancing naked under the moon (or whatever it is you occultists do) aint my idea of "positive influence".

You are obviously an idiot at best and NOT someone the foolish Church needs on its side . . . . LMFAO, duh!

I wonder how it is you have quoted me in saying something I never typed?

Hell, it does not even read like something I would write.

I hold no angst against the lost ... only pain in my heart for my brothers.

I expect even enjoy the vehement rejection of the Word ... as it is only right for it to be so.
As it is written so shall it be.

Etu, like many in the world, has been burned by religion or religionists at some point in his life.

For 29 years I was just like him. I hated religion...and now that I've been born again, I hate it even more. Religion walks around like it knows all the answers and wants to impose a (cultural) morality on those who disagree. If you want to sing in a rock band, then christian morality will definitely get in the way with a boatload of guilt.

Yuck...who needs that?

But it has also been my experience that neither do (most) christians nor atheists/occultists/otherwise really know what the bible is or what it says. Etu is exactly what Jesus is talking about when He says, "I wish that you were hot or cold (about me) because the lukewarm I will spit out" (paraphrased yod version).

Etu is absolutely cold on Jesus and that's a better place than half the people sitting in the pews who take no strong position at all. Etu has a passionate position on the spiritual world and that means he's still alive.

Now all he needs is an encounter with The Truth.

Nothing we can say will show him the Truth. He has to find it because he wants to know. Or as my rabbi always says, "Anything someone can talk you into, another person can talk you out of".

Nowhere in the bible does God try to prove He exists because it's obvious to the Creation. He does, however, issue the challenge for pretenders to His Throne to prove they exist outside of time and space as He does.

There are hundreds of prophetic statements issued way in advance which happen exactly as predicted that prove the scriptures are supernatural. Then there was a man who walked out of a tomb after being dead for 3 days, to prove He has power even over death.

Secular historians of that time confirm that the resurrection happened, even if they don't know why.

That should be enough for anyone to take a closer look at the historical person called Yeshua ben David HaNatzret (Jesus, son of Joseph of Nazareth). If one will really examine history to find the truth, they'll see we have been fed a lot of greco-baloney with the gospel narrative through theological commentators over the millennia...but none of that trivial substance really matters once you have faith (strong trust) in the Lord.

I thinks it's entirely possible to have faith and be ostracized in the church. After all, Jesus was, and quite often still is.



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A agree YOD except for one small point: after three days they returned to the tomb and Jesus was gone. No one saw him walk out of the tomb. For all anyone knows, his disciples moved his body to create this illusion of rising from the dead. I'm sorry that I cannot accept a story from 2,000 years ago that has zero evidence of being true.

A agree YOD except for one small point: after three days they returned to the tomb and Jesus was gone. No one saw him walk out of the tomb. For all anyone knows, his disciples moved his body to create this illusion of rising from the dead. I'm sorry that I cannot accept a story from 2,000 years ago that has zero evidence of being true.

It would be a bigger miracle for someone to have been a cross and lived through it, perhaps.

That tomb was guarded by Roman soldiers. The last thing they needed was a martyr who walked away. Common sense should tell you that "something" greater than the fear of Pontius and Caesar caused them to leave their post, because that is a crime punishable by execution also.

The Roman historian Josephus was a contemporary of that day and not a christian. Yet he confirms that a resurrection did occur. Believe me, as a former atheist, I do understand how implausible that story sounds. Yet as one who spent many months obsessively trying to prove it didn't happen, I had to admit that it did once all the evidence was examined.

Everything changed on that day. And He was witnessed after the resurrection by people who were willing to meet their own death on a cross rather than deny what you say is impossible.

How many people would be willing to die for something they know is a lie? People sing during interrogation if they are facing torture or death, yet 100% of the people who witnessed Him never changed their story, even while being nailed to piece of wood.

After examining the testimony from all sides, I had to concur that it takes more faith to believe that nothing actually happened, than to believe that the New Covenant narrative is true. We have more evidence for the life, death, and resurrection of this man than we have of George Washington being our first President.

yet you have no problem believing that, do you?








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I wonder how it is you have quoted me in saying something I never typed?

Hell, it does not even read like something I would write.

I hold no angst against the lost ... only pain in my heart for my brothers.

I expect even enjoy the vehement rejection of the Word ... as it is only right for it to be so.
As it is written so shall it be.

I wonder how it is that you don't even know what you typed? Wow . . . go back & read it.

We have more evidence for the life, death, and resurrection of this man than we have of George Washington being our first President.

yet you have no problem believing that, do you?








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Yes. Yes I do.

The fact that you've gone from one extreme (atheism) to another (born again) tells me rational thought has been suppressed in your brain; maybe they're putting brain-washing drugs in your kool-aid. Avoid extremes and excesses for a better life.

I wonder how it is you have quoted me in saying something I never typed?

Hell, it does not even read like something I would write.

I hold no angst against the lost ... only pain in my heart for my brothers.

I expect even enjoy the vehement rejection of the Word ... as it is only right for it to be so.
As it is written so shall it be.

I wonder how it is that you don't even know what you typed? Wow . . . go back & read it.

Since you mentioned it... Indeed it is 2012... I look around me... and I see where all of your intellect and theory (which really paints the picture of a mechanized existence as opposed to a spiritual one) has contributed absolutely nothing to make this world a better place.


Dude ... I did not write this ...

Not only did I not write it ... I cannot find it anywhere in this thread outside your quote with my name on it.

That's freaking strange

It not only makes ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN THE END Jimmy.
It is the only thing that will matter in the end.
That is why I will continue to pray daily for myself and all humanity.

More Fire & Brimstone? Fear and Guilt? You'd think in 2012 Christians would have devised better psychological weapons, but they haven't.

ETU, I am a Christian, and I do not use Christianity as a 'weapon". I have stated before that such people who do this are mis representing the real faith and dogma of Christ (who is about love).

Since you mentioned it... Indeed it is 2012... I look around me... and I see where all of your intellect and theory (which really paints the picture of a mechanized existence as opposed to a spiritual one) has contributed absolutely nothing to make this world a better place.
The world sucked ten thousand years ago...and would equally suck today , but for one minor difference... Many of us decided that mechanized existence was getting humanity nowhere.

Us Christians, in our delusional fever and hope for beauty, love, heightened spiritual existence, have all tried at least to rally some semblance of expression (faulty as it may be) to bring resources together to help our fellow human brothers and sisters.
On our worst day, even as the biggest pontificators in our churches spin their biggest whoppers... even then...THEY also contribute to the delusional 'cause' of love by throwing their resources into that big cauldron of Christian practices, for the benefit of all brothers and sisters...

Now tell us again...Its 2012...In 10 thousand years...What exactly have the friendly folks of your 'church' (whatever that may be) done to express and extend of human kindness to the benefit of all brothers and sisters?




(ANd please dont insult us by throwing in the old argument about how Christians bring about wars, yadda yadda yadda .. For every instance you throw at me, I can probably throw one that the pagans caused, etc., ...

HAH ... FOUND IT !

Told you it was not my words ... nany nany boo boo ...

Perhaps these modern free thinkers are correct; Perhaps Christianity is a bane on our political and social life.

lets look back on the 20th century and see how life would have improved under a more pragmatic environment.

1.of course the change most apparent is in agriculture.
without white christian doctors and solders to carry the message of the slave trade horrors back to the more sensitive classes.
the price of lettuces and cotton continues to support a healthy import of classes of conquered people to serve the fighting and thinking classes.
2. very hot and nasty debates still rage over whether south American aboriginal peoples would be much better suited than Africans or Asians, due to their proximity.
3. next major event would be the labor riots of the great depression.
this is a very hot topic even equal to the dust bowl massacres, everyone agreed that there was no where for the oakies to go. so extermination camps was the best solution.
this solution worked wonderfully well as it raised the price off foods stuffs through a labor shortage and large amounts fallow land though it took longer than estimated.
3b. no economist could put forth a rational for including the proletariat and their offspring in the economic prosperity of the industrial revolution without christian teaching no theories of equality were ever taught to the ruling classes,
as the middle classes were steadily growing due to colonization and exploitation of south america and the resulting need for a war machine to enforce the desires of the nation as well as a need to defend the country form Europe.
unionism was crushed mercilessly and and business benefited once again from a depression in wages.

to be continued.....
even under protest