General Music Chat

Very correct George, although scientists call this process entropy. Entropy is the theory that states everything in the universe is constantly going from an ordered state to an unordered state. Some people also call this Chaos Theory. This is why everything in the universe dies, even galaxies and eventually the entire universe itself.

Yes ... I am somewhat familiar with the "scientific" theories, both old and new.

I use the term corruption because it is one of the interpretations of the ancient text of Genesis that describes the onset of said effect.

The reality of the "effect" is relevant, and the same I believe.

The fact that we exist does not necessarily require an "engineer". Of course it is possible there is/was a creator, but the odds are very slim that there was and it is most likely we will never definitively know. It is also possible that there may have been a creator, but that creator is not even aware of our existence, or is simply unable or unwilling to interact with us. So it seems like a huge waste of time and extremely arrogant to profess any particular belief in such an entity. Instead, let's focus on what we have here on earth and try to make what we have better.

When I use the word "engineer, I assure you, any "Consort" or anything systematic is the result of engineering. Now, I did NOT say that engineering is exclusive to sentient beings (Human, God, or otherwise)

On the subject of arrogance...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cjRGee5 ... re=related

And for the record, any notion that humans are so superior that they can effect a change Of the planet, begs the question..Who said Humans were that Special?

ANswer: Some dude who calls himself GOD...

so which is it Jimmy?

A) No God, Humans without importance (self importance does not count) ..Thus no threat to Earth
... or
B) GOd , Humans with importance , (Self importance does not count) ...and possible threat to earth

The above post(s) is exactly why I dislike RELIGION + POLITICS on this site.
If you wouldn't talk about this stuff at the dinner table, why bring it here>?


WHERE IS THE MUSIC? You so enamored that you forgot already?
Is your new CD done and ready to be distributed?
You have all your dates in a row, equipment all maintained, ready to go on tour?

No, I didn't think so. It's a music forum and and if you don't treat it as such, you are no better than an electronic Jehovah's Witness.

(no you can't come in and no we don't want to hear it)

A little more effort on the music and if you want to talk sh*t, your friends will be happy to have this argument with you over a case of beer or so.

So go bend their ear...leave the forum to music .. if you know any..

Sorry Scotty, these are issues that some musicians care about and even write songs about. If you don't like them don't read them. This is a general forum where musicians can chat, and let's face it most posts strictly about music face a painful and lonely death.

It's all good but why do they get so angry?

Didn't they ever have anyone disagree with them before?


An argument is where two sides debate and have a modicum of candor.

This turns more into a fight, mud slinging, name calling, etc.


It feels like anger and resentment. I just don't see how this can be productive in any way.

I don't contest the ability to say what one wants, but do it with some class.
This way it just seems baseless.

Jim you do a heck of a job of being a diplomat.
I'd love to know your secret.

I always say that I wish everyone would treat everyone else the way they want to be treated, sadly I guess lots of people dont want to be treated with equal respect.

As far as religion I think we should just all respect another persons choice when it comes down to it, but it seems everyone wants to convince others why thier point of view is so wrong, I dont get that, it kinda goes against religion in my mind, but what do I know!

As far as religion I think we should just all respect another persons choice when it comes down to it, but it seems everyone wants to convince others why thier point of view is so wrong, I dont get that, it kinda goes against religion in my mind, but what do I know!

Unfortunately passionate issues beget passion. What good is one who has a personal relationship with God if he does not share it with those who do not know God? Isn't the great commission of all religion to go out into the world and make disciples?
Then the object of religious discussion is to point out the difference in perspectives. Who would not be passionate in finding eternal life and wish to share that with someone? And each believe that they have the key. Therein lies the passion in debating religion. It is written: To those who are being saved we are the fragrance of life, to those who are perishing we are the stench of death. Now that alone ruffles feathers.

What good is one who has a personal relationship with God if he does not share it with those who do not know God? Isn't the great commission of all religion to go out into the world and make disciples?

Hmmm, this sounds suspiciously like what most people object to with Islam. All you religious types, get this through your heads: I don't care about your personal relationship with Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha or the Tooth Fairy. Keep your damned religion out my schools, town halls and courtrooms.

Whew, I can see people clenching as they read this one.. lol

Very deep conversation we have here, me thinks.

The above post(s) is exactly why I dislike RELIGION + POLITICS on this site.
If you wouldn't talk about this stuff at the dinner table, why bring it here>?


WHERE IS THE MUSIC? You so enamored that you forgot already?
Is your new CD done and ready to be distributed?
You have all your dates in a row, equipment all maintained, ready to go on tour?

No, I didn't think so. It's a music forum and and if you don't treat it as such, you are no better than an electronic Jehovah's Witness.

(no you can't come in and no we don't want to hear it)

A little more effort on the music and if you want to talk sh*t, your friends will be happy to have this argument with you over a case of beer or so.

So go bend their ear...leave the forum to music .. if you know any..

Scott,

My dysfunctional family talks a lot about this sh*t at the dinner table... But this year most of em were out of town..

On one hand, I can see your point , but on another hand, I agree with Jimmy... ONLY Music about Only music could get boring.

Hey, it works the same for sex and chicks... Raw is ok...but Sometimes, I like the school-girl uniform over the leather bowling outfit on a chick...

Now, I have to ask...is it really about deviating from the subject of music...or is it about the specific topic of religion that's gettin ya upset?

What good is one who has a personal relationship with God if he does not share it with those who do not know God? Isn't the great commission of all religion to go out into the world and make disciples?

Hmmm, this sounds suspiciously like what most people object to with Islam. All you religious types, get this through your heads: I don't care about your personal relationship with Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha or the Tooth Fairy. Keep your damned religion out my schools, town halls and courtrooms.

Kinda hard to keep religion out of courtrooms, since our entire system of law has its roots in judeo/Christian concepts

What good is one who has a personal relationship with God if he does not share it with those who do not know God? Isn't the great commission of all religion to go out into the world and make disciples?

Hmmm, this sounds suspiciously like what most people object to with Islam. All you religious types, get this through your heads: I don't care about your personal relationship with Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha or the Tooth Fairy. Keep your damned religion out my schools, town halls and courtrooms.

First of all, They are not YOUR schools Jimmy. Secular humanism is a religion, but you appear to be unaware of that, and it is your religion. The schools are permeated with its godless philosophy's and lies that are forced upon all who attend them. And they turn out like you.
But just exactly who are you to tell anyone to get anything through their heads.? God refers to people such as you as fools, so how can the fool teach anyone anything other than how to become a fool?
Another point is that it is not our religion that is to be damned, it is your religion of secular humanism that will ultimately be damned. Even atheists are passionate about defending their non religion religion. There are many people of many religions who stake their soul on what they believe, even to the death. But there is only one God and only one way to that God.
What belief would you give your life to preserve? If you don't have one, then your life isn't worth very much. The Christian lives to please God. Who of significance do you live to please? Don't get me wrong. These are not angry words. What you believe or do not believe has no bearing on my beliefs or my life whatsoever.

As far as religion I think we should just all respect another persons choice when it comes down to it, but it seems everyone wants to convince others why thier point of view is so wrong, I dont get that, it kinda goes against religion in my mind, but what do I know!

Unfortunately passionate issues beget passion. What good is one who has a personal relationship with God if he does not share it with those who do not know God? Isn't the great commission of all religion to go out into the world and make disciples?
Then the object of religious discussion is to point out the difference in perspectives. Who would not be passionate in finding eternal life and wish to share that with someone? And each believe that they have the key. Therein lies the passion in debating religion. It is written: To those who are being saved we are the fragrance of life, to those who are perishing we are the stench of death. Now that alone ruffles feathers.

Slacker, I agree with your concept about compulsion to share what appears to be great and wonderful news...
However, I also think it comes down to the feelings of exclusion by those people who bear the brunt of our "good news"...
When I was I kid... you couldn't have convinced me about God or religion... But then, one day...my whole mind changed about it.. (Right things, in the right way at the right time, and presto...a light turned on for me) .

I think it is very important that we , who consider ourselves very fortunate to have such faith, respect others who aren't convinced..., we should not coerce the subject on to those individuals... However, by no means , should we ever apologize for living by, and setting examples of... our Christianity.

The way I see it... Those , who don't, wont,. cant believe...aren't gonna change their perspective on account of anything I say here...So I wont even bother them about it.. On the other hand...If i write 'Praise God' in my topic... i don't think people should get so dang offended by it...Next thing you know their toes will start curling up and a house will land on them...

Slacker:

Quite wrong, they are my schools because my tax dollars go to fund them, just as yours do. Religion does not belong there.

There are many things that I would give my life for: first of all my children, wife and family, and then my home and country if it were attacked.

I can assure you that I do not align myself with any labels other than musician-rocker, liberal and agnostic. Secular humanism? I'll do some reading but it sounds a little wacky.

Holy crap I never expected my original post to evolve or devolve in so many different tangents. Keep it simple people. You see somebody you don't know, LOVE that person. Doesn't matter what they are wearing, how dark or light their skin is, if they are inked or not. Just my thought for the New Year. Don't assume anything or prejudge. Just LOVE, and see what happens....