General Music Chat

Be it known there has been a lot of research and development in artificially intelligent music making (no that FC9 is that), and during my research for my book I have encountered a few of these composers, it is indeed a fascinating venture outside of the conventional crappola that I hear, the redundant regurgitation of things already created.

Music and Culture both wax and wane.

this doesn't really make sense
how can you have a composer in artificial intelligence music composition?
don't you mean you found some attractive computer generated music?
not really a stretch when you consider that resolved composition is not really higher math.

LOL . . . it's been going on for some time, yeah, I know it's not very public but most underground things aren't, I just happen to be in touch with quite a few Musicologists (remember I am writing a book).

Some how I missed the fact you were writing a book,
I suppose the answer to my questions are in the book

Be it known there has been a lot of research and development in artificially intelligent music making (no that FC9 is that), and during my research for my book I have encountered a few of these composers, it is indeed a fascinating venture outside of the conventional crappola that I hear, the redundant regurgitation of things already created.

Music and Culture both wax and wane.

this doesn't really make sense
how can you have a composer in artificial intelligence music composition?
don't you mean you found some attractive computer generated music?
not really a stretch when you consider that resolved composition is not really higher math.

LOL . . . it's been going on for some time, yeah, I know it's not very public but most underground things aren't, I just happen to be in touch with quite a few Musicologists (remember I am writing a book).

Some how I missed the fact you were writing a book,
I suppose the answer to my questions are in the book

There have been artificially Intelligent systems created in many fields of science and music has its share of AI composing systems.

Be it known there has been a lot of research and development in artificially intelligent music making (no that FC9 is that), and during my research for my book I have encountered a few of these composers, it is indeed a fascinating venture outside of the conventional crappola that I hear, the redundant regurgitation of things already created.

Music and Culture both wax and wane.

this doesn't really make sense
how can you have a composer in artificial intelligence music composition?
don't you mean you found some attractive computer generated music?
not really a stretch when you consider that resolved composition is not really higher math.

JC, AI itself is not about 'computer' as much as it is about 'computer that learns'. To that end, its an awesome feat to realize a piece of work generated on the volition of the computer itself... (Machine creating expression of machine, in terms of human expectations of sound)

Keep in mind, an interesting fact and correlation between AI and the Expression of music. The objective of AI is to examine and capture the gradients within the context of a given solution, For example, If we are stopped at a red light , we wait for the green light. Conventional decision making processes would tell us to "go" on the green light. AI Decision making process would first check to see that there is not some other jack-ass running his red-light before deciding that we can go on our green light. . More importantly, if an accident, with an identifiable cause were to ensue... AI would 'learn' from that event and tuck it away for future reference in the next decision making process.

Enter Music. In the Eastern Hemisphere, musical scales are more refined than Western scales. There are notes, between the notes that we overlook in Western music. Eastern Music observes the "Gradients" of scales, which western convention overlooks. You can imagine the implication and impact that musical gradients have for a coupling with AI technology.

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Be it known there has been a lot of research and development in artificially intelligent music making (no that FC9 is that), and during my research for my book I have encountered a few of these composers, it is indeed a fascinating venture outside of the conventional crappola that I hear, the redundant regurgitation of things already created.

Music and Culture both wax and wane.

this doesn't really make sense
how can you have a composer in artificial intelligence music composition?
don't you mean you found some attractive computer generated music?
not really a stretch when you consider that resolved composition is not really higher math.

JC, AI itself is not about 'computer' as much as it is about 'computer that learns'. To that end, its an awesome feat to realize a piece of work generated on the volition of the computer itself... (Machine creating expression of machine, in terms of human expectations of sound)

Keep in mind, an interesting fact and correlation between AI and the Expression of music. The objective of AI is to examine and capture the gradients within the context of a given solution, For example, If we are stopped at a red light , we wait for the green light. Conventional decision making processes would tell us to "go" on the green light. AI Decision making process would first check to see that there is not some other jack-ass running his red-light before deciding that we can go on our green light. . More importantly, if an accident, with an identifiable cause were to ensue... AI would 'learn' from that event and tuck it away for future reference in the next decision making process.

Enter Music. In the Eastern Hemisphere, musical scales are more refined than Western scales. There are notes, between the notes that we overlook in Western music. Eastern Music observes the "Gradients" of scales, which western convention overlooks. You can imagine the implication and impact that musical gradients have for a coupling with AI technology.

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Exactly, AI works like a meme, which is how we all learned to play our instruments . . . 'this phrase sucked, oh, this one is pretty cool (keeper)'

I must say that's a fascinating religion you guys have

personally I don't believe a word of it


Ladies and Gentlemen the composer.....
Model # 7482646
down the hall on the left we have some swamp land to sell you.

Not that it won't catch on, big hit in japan already I bet


" when I die I am going to use my influence with the almighty to have the human race wiped out"
Samuel Clemens

I must say that's a fascinating religion you guys have

personally I don't believe a word of it


Ladies and Gentlemen the composer.....
Model # 7482646
down the hall on the left we have some swamp land to sell you.

Not that it won't catch on, big hit in japan already I bet


" when I die I am going to use my influence with the almighty to have the human race wiped out"
Samuel Clemens

Jesus Christ man... What are ya ...a f**k - ing redneck??? Okay, you are a great guitar player... but what you just spewed out is down right ignorant. You think I made that sh*t up about advances in AI ??? You think its a religion? Get a clue.. Dude.

Start Here...
http://www.anticulture.net/

Zappa was playing around with AI as far back as the 80's.... jeez man!

I'm not saying it replaces human music, nor am i suggesting that it measures up to human skill... of musical expression, but I am saying its one more art form... Its real, Its been around , Most important, AI might bridge some musical gaps that most composers have over-looked for centuries. Why the PHUK would you call it religion or a compare it to the sale of swamp land!?

I see, people who don't think like you, are rednecks

well scuse me massa


I is so pathetic


Zappa, so who was he? the great prophet Elijah? he liked it so we all got to coo over it
f zappa, he's dead anyway


oh and yes, I am some kind of redneck

I must say that's a fascinating religion you guys have

personally I don't believe a word of it


Ladies and Gentlemen the composer.....
Model # 7482646
down the hall on the left we have some swamp land to sell you.

Not that it won't catch on, big hit in japan already I bet


" when I die I am going to use my influence with the almighty to have the human race wiped out"
Samuel Clemens

Yeah, I so didn't get this post that I didn't know what to say.

I must say that's a fascinating religion you guys have

personally I don't believe a word of it


Ladies and Gentlemen the composer.....
Model # 7482646
down the hall on the left we have some swamp land to sell you.

Not that it won't catch on, big hit in japan already I bet


" when I die I am going to use my influence with the almighty to have the human race wiped out"
Samuel Clemens

Yeah, I so didn't get this post that I didn't know what to say.

the correct response is;

"Non sequitur; your facts are uncoordinated"

some computer performed, but not composed, music while your waiting......

http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=11232896

http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=11232893

http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=11320531

http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=11320526

no chips were damaged in making this music

well maybe a few but we didn't like them anyway

For what it's worth according to Wiki:


Musical creativity

Computational creativity in the music domain has focused both on the generation of musical scores for use by human musicians, and on the generation of music for performance by computers. The domain of generation has included classical music (with software that generates music in the style of Mozart and Bach) and jazz. Most notably, David Cope[31] has written a software system called "Experiments in Musical Intelligence" (or "EMI") that is capable of analyzing and generalizing from existing music by a human composer to generate novel musical compositions in the same style. EMI's output is convincing enough to persuade human listeners that its music is human-generated to a high level of competence[32].


Creativity research in jazz has focused on the process of improvisation and the cognitive demands that this places on a musical agent: reasoning about time, remembering and conceptualizing what has already been played, and planning ahead for what might be played next.[citation needed] The robot Shimon, developed by Gil Weinberg of Georgia Tech, has demonstrated jazz improvisation.[33]

In the field of musical composition, the patented works[34] by René-Louis Baron allowed to make a robot that can create and play a multitude of orchestrated melodies so-called "coherent" in any musical style. All outdoor physical parameter associated with one or more specific musical parameters, can influence and develop each of these songs (in real time while listening to the song). The patented invention Medal-Composer raises problems of copyright.


On René-Louis Baron page are some samples of music composed by his program.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9-Louis_Baron

Maybe in its infancy but it is happening to some degree.

to restate my point for the those not belonging to the race of uncircumcised Philistines

if you refer to that garbage as musical creativity then you do so purely on faith,
as you cannot prove that the machine actually creates.
it has been programmed to ape human behavior, that is all
go engage with "clever bot" and you will quickly see what I mean.
though i will admit, it easily fools the witless and gullible.

It's getting bloody out there. This ought to liven things up:

The computer plays a vital roll in creating music today. It's become affordable to the working class. The computer can be played like a musical instrument. Creativity requires lots of options; lots of choices are needed. The computer provides that.

We all like guitars. The electric guitar came around in the 50s or so. But, isn't my electric guitar pretty much played out . . . pretty much . . . folk. Computers and music software are today's electric guitar, todays piano. My Imac and ProTools are today, what the Strat guitar and Fender amp were in the last century. Garage bands? Replaced by musicians in bedrooms with personal computers. Performance venue--> Internet?

Creative music composition. Is there a thing called creativity in music? What is your experience with creating music? Are there people who are closer to the edge of what is brilliant, new, and original, and who are they? Are they the ones with the most hits on their website? Is it even desirable to be creative, or is the cost too high? Does truth come in to play? Or is popular enough? Who is the Mozart and the Beethoven of today? Who is the Stravinsky and the John Cage of today? Is it ourselves? I like that idea. But then, should we keep our eyes on our own paper, or can we peek at other people's desktops to get our music? How much stealing of ideas is going on anyway, in this musical battlefield. 'Can we all just get along?' Or is it all about who is on top? What about those on the bottom? Yes, what about us? Have we listened to each other's music lately? Can we, who are suffering, squashed, underneath the dog-pile of other people's fame and fortune actually produce something interesting? Interesting enough to listen to, more than once. Interesting enough to sell? And how is that . . . selling thing . . . going for you. Should our music be good enough to sell itself? Or, must we spam it at everybody we meet?

Comments?

Are computers indispensable?
on the whole I would say yes.
it's the medium now, no way round that.

it has expanded many horizons for many , as you said.
I enjoy the things mine makes available to me.

is it alive? can it create?
NO
artificial intelligence is a dream of computer geeks and scifi aficionado's

if they realize this dream, (which I personally believe to be impossible) it will quickly become apparent, because the human race will quickly pass into extinction.
for once the machine can generate and consume it's own resources. people will no longer be relevant.

I must say that's a fascinating religion you guys have

personally I don't believe a word of it


Ladies and Gentlemen the composer.....
Model # 7482646
down the hall on the left we have some swamp land to sell you.

Not that it won't catch on, big hit in japan already I bet


" when I die I am going to use my influence with the almighty to have the human race wiped out"
Samuel Clemens

Yeah, I so didn't get this post that I didn't know what to say.

ETU,
I'm pretty sure...his post actually had nothing at all to say ...... What stood out for me was the cardboard prop that he tried pass off as an intelligent statement... This, after we tried to share in a friendly manner, positive observations about AI. Indeed I suspected him to be a redneck, thus confessed that he was...
I would normally not hold that against him... but then, in spirit of pure sacrilage, he defaced and defiled the great prophet Zappa... (Creator of all Florentine Pogen) and attempted to fling an insult my way...
But Alas, I have tricked him... (He believes I am his master)... I just hope somebody explains to him that a redneck is not synonymous with a lawn Jockey, (Which he tried to elocute during his bout of sarcasm)