General Music Chat

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Bob,

I'm glad things are working out well so far!!!

SanShouheil,

I like Noisy Kung Fu...But, good luck in all you do in 2012.

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Barometric Pressure (New) is still to practice for the first time in Mid-January, so nothing to report right now.

Bob,

I'm glad things are working out well so far!!!

SanShouheil,

I like Noisy Kung Fu...But, good luck in all you do in 2012.

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Barometric Pressure (New) is still to practice for the first time in Mid-January, so nothing to report right now.

I like NKF too. It fits and it has meaning to us.

Unfortunately we deal with a lot of bible belt stereotypical nonsense down here.
Hard enough that we play rock music ... but that Chinese Kung Fu stuff ... well that is just devil worship ya know.

I'd wager we could get more " church gigs " if we played country music and sang about cheating wives and such than we get singing rock music to glorify God.

Some people "get it" most don't.

Bob,

I'm glad things are working out well so far!!!

SanShouheil,

I like Noisy Kung Fu...But, good luck in all you do in 2012.

***

Barometric Pressure (New) is still to practice for the first time in Mid-January, so nothing to report right now.

I like NKF too. It fits and it has meaning to us.

Unfortunately we deal with a lot of bible belt stereotypical nonsense down here.
Hard enough that we play rock music ... but that Chinese Kung Fu stuff ... well that is just devil worship ya know.

I'd wager we could get more " church gigs " if we played country music and sang about cheating wives and such than we get singing rock music to glorify God.

Some people "get it" most don't.

Sometimes change is good. I can't remember all the different people I've rehearsed and gigged with over the years. People come and go all the time. It's part of the music business. If your band reforms it's no big deal. Keep on keeping on. I agree that NKF doesn't sound like a Christian band name. But I don't think there's any deep meaning in any band name. As long as it's not vulgar or derogatory. I wouldn't change the name at this point. You've done a lot of marketing with it. It wuld be foolish to change the name IMO.

I like NKF too. It fits and it has meaning to us.

Unfortunately we deal with a lot of bible belt stereotypical nonsense down here.
Hard enough that we play rock music ... but that Chinese Kung Fu stuff ... well that is just devil worship ya know.

I'd wager we could get more " church gigs " if we played country music and sang about cheating wives and such than we get singing rock music to glorify God.

Some people "get it" most don't.

I understand that you're Religious which, with all due respect, leads to humility which then leads to being able to better put up with the closed-mindedness (and dare I say, stupidity) that you will often encounter in dealing with the public. However, your band is your band and the name has meaning for you guys! If people think that Kung Fu is some for of Satanism as opposed to a school of Martial Arts, I wouldn't be too concerned with their idiocy.

EDIT: The above paragraph is not meant to read that way. I just mean that due to your Religion you have more patience when it comes to dealing with stupid people (or anyone) not that Religious people are stupid! For instance, I have no tolerance for stupidity whatsoever, whether or not the subject is Religious. You are taught to have tolerance for anything!

You go right on rocking out to God. You guys also have an awesome website, I just checked it out, it would be a shame to see that go to waste.

I liked a couple of those quotes from Corinthians.

By the way, did Peace Tea hook you up for that, do you love it that much, or is that a clever little poke at commercialism? The reason I ask is because I occasionally did that before songs, except it was either a fake company or a company that was (obviously) not our sponsors.

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Me: "Ladies and Gentlemen, this next song is brought to you by Wahl Clippers. We don't cut our hair, but if we did, we'd use Wahl.

Dave (Keyboards) "I use them on my balls."

Me: "Wahl doesn't want us to tell people that, Dave."

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Me: "This number is brought to you by Budweiser. Remember, with Budweiser, 'the more you drink, the better Barometric Pressure sounds.'"

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Me: "This one's brought to you by Pizza Hut. Do we have anyone out there that works for Pizza Hut? No? Okay, this one is not brought to you by Pizza Hut, we just wanted a pizza."

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Me: "This Intermission is brought to you by Honest Buford's Used Cars and Tractor Supplies. Remember, Honest Buford has guaranteed credit approval, tell them about that, Dave."

Dave: "That's absolutely right. Having bad credit doesn't make you a bad person, nor does anything else you've ever done. At Honest Buford's you're approved just for being you!"

Me:"Bankruptcy? You're approved!"
"Divorce? Approved!"
"Child Support? Approved!"
"Unemployed? Approved!"
"Meth addict? Approved!"
"Registered Sex Offender? Approved!"
"Convicted Felon? Approved!"

"That's Honest Buford's!"

The Peace Tea thing was Ray's idea ... yeah we like it and often one or another of us brings it in as a treat for the band, and no they are not an official sponsor.
Your a lot more likely to see a dark beer on my stack than a Peace Tea, so it's also kind of an inside joke of sort's.

I have to say I understand where your coming from about "religious" people.
But I also have to respectfully disagree.
Though forbearance was taught by our Lord Jesus, far too many "religious" people are extremely intolerant. Myself included.
I / we are no different than the rest of the sinners in this world.
With the exception that by grace alone through faith we are saved.

Not to belabor a point but this is the point of my personal mission.
To do what I can to dispel the myth that some how Christians are better or are supposed to be better.
This is preposterous assumption that leads to less understanding and acceptance of the forgiveness Christ is. By those whom have " religion " and those whom do not believe.
Honestly I'd rather be in a room full of well intentioned heathens than a room full of Christians whom think they are somehow free of their sins.
Frankly ... they suck.
And what is worse ... they are dead wrong.

The Peace Tea thing was Ray's idea ... yeah we like it and often one or another of us brings it in as a treat for the band, and no they are not an official sponsor.
Your a lot more likely to see a dark beer on my stack than a Peace Tea, so it's also kind of an inside joke of sort's.

I have to say I understand where your coming from about "religious" people.
But I also have to respectfully disagree.
Though forbearance was taught by our Lord Jesus, far too many "religious" people are extremely intolerant. Myself included.
I / we are no different than the rest of the sinners in this world.
With the exception that by grace alone through faith we are saved.

Not to belabor a point but this is the point of my personal mission.
To do what I can to dispel the myth that some how Christians are better or are supposed to be better.
This is preposterous assumption that leads to less understanding and acceptance of the forgiveness Christ is. By those whom have " religion " and those whom do not believe.
Honestly I'd rather be in a room full of well intentioned heathens than a room full of Christians whom think they are somehow free of their sins.
Frankly ... they suck.
And what is worse ... they are dead wrong.

Well said... Sans!

My best friend is what I like to call a bit over-zealous about Christianity. Dont get me wrong... I am very glad that he is genuinely stoked about the meaning of Christ in our world ... but I have , on occasion , seen him get annoying about it... basically a turn off., which I can only imagine lends to a dissuasion in others to 'seek' out Christ...

As I tell every wanna-be , self important christian... "If I were God, and I saw you represent me this way, I'd be inclined to fire you...and then forgive you and rehire you... an then repeat the processes till you get it right....with the undersdtanding that nobody Passes Go on Earth, till you ALL get it right. "

SOme good rules to follow as a Christina (IMHO)

1) Humble, Humble Humble.
2) Example, Example, Example
3) To know and profess Christs' love, (Aka The Gospel) one must 'graduate" to there by practicing Christ's love.
4) If # 3 holds true, the the best we can offer is to simply 'shaddup' (until asked) and not coerce Christianity down the throats of others. Its really a form of marketing, when you think about it.

Yes ... very difficult indeed for an arrogant SOB like myself.

Christ would die for ME ?

There is no love greater!

For men in this realm to live and reflect our faith is often a balancing act of tolerance.

No different than the machining of a fine handgun.
If tolerances are too tight there is no room for appropriate function.
If too loose it's just sloppy and dangerous.

The Peace Tea thing was Ray's idea ... yeah we like it and often one or another of us brings it in as a treat for the band, and no they are not an official sponsor.
Your a lot more likely to see a dark beer on my stack than a Peace Tea, so it's also kind of an inside joke of sort's.

(Laughs) That's still pretty cool, though. Do you plug it during gigs as a joke?

I have to say I understand where your coming from about "religious" people.
But I also have to respectfully disagree.
Though forbearance was taught by our Lord Jesus, far too many "religious" people are extremely intolerant. Myself included.
I / we are no different than the rest of the sinners in this world.
With the exception that by grace alone through faith we are saved.

See, that's why you're a cool guy. Far too often I have had this conversation:

"You don't believe in God?"

"At this point, no, but as an Agnostic, I'm always open to the possibility. As a Logical Positivist, I'm just going to need more Empirical proof than what I have gotten thus far."

"Well, you have to get right with Jesus or you're a sinner who is destined for Hell."

"'He who is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone,' that's John 8:7, you may have heard of it. Isn't acting as a judge of man a sin and reserved solely for God?"

Not to belabor a point but this is the point of my personal mission.
To do what I can to dispel the myth that some how Christians are better or are supposed to be better.
This is preposterous assumption that leads to less understanding and acceptance of the forgiveness Christ is. By those whom have " religion " and those whom do not believe.
Honestly I'd rather be in a room full of well intentioned heathens than a room full of Christians whom think they are somehow free of their sins.
Frankly ... they suck.
And what is worse ... they are dead wrong.

That's a good mission to have, and to accomplish it, you're going to have to focus on the Christians with the, 'Holier than thou,' attitude because us non-Christians are certainly not proponents of such a myth! I personally believe that most Christians are more tolerant of others, though, more forgiving, just personal observations. However, hypocrisy is my least favorite human trait, and I have found that Christians (even with their tolerance) have a higher ratio of hypocrites to non-hypocrites.

Please don't take offense to that, as I believe that you are not at all hypocritical.[/quote]

Jw, 50 is the new 40 LOL! When you guys hit your 50's think of it like you are really 40.

Are you guys really worried about age? Age is just an MTV thing, plenty of very successful bands rarely or never end up on MTV. Dream Theater is one of them. If you guys have a good product and a nice performance, age will be no hindrance to you.

PierceG

One small piece further of my wisdom

To recognize sinful behaviors in ourselves and in others is not Judgment.
It is simply recognition.
And quite necessary for Christians and non Christians alike whom would avoid evil behaviors and those whom perpetuate same.
This is also an important distinction for we should not " judge " our fellow men. Nor should we turn a blind eye to the presence of evil in ourselves and others.

Now to music:

The discussion of age vs "success" has been debated any times.
I'll be 52 in 2012.
I have no intention of allowing that to be a roadblock.
There are enough of those already without looking for more.

You young whippersnappers make me laugh going on about age. if i keep it up I'll have to be wheeled onto the stage...

As to grace - A teaching pastor from our Wisconsin Lutheran synod explained it this way, "You go up to that altar on Sunday with a trash bag full of sins and you dump it on the altar. On the way back to your seat you notice a cute girl in a short dress, and you break out next week's trash bag. It's a battle, but it's one that Christ won for you."

Merry Christmas

Talbot

Bob,

I'm glad things are working out well so far!!!

SanShouheil,

I like Noisy Kung Fu...But, good luck in all you do in 2012.

***

Barometric Pressure (New) is still to practice for the first time in Mid-January, so nothing to report right now.

I like NKF too. It fits and it has meaning to us.

Unfortunately we deal with a lot of bible belt stereotypical nonsense down here.
Hard enough that we play rock music ... but that Chinese Kung Fu stuff ... well that is just devil worship ya know.

I'd wager we could get more " church gigs " if we played country music and sang about cheating wives and such than we get singing rock music to glorify God.

Some people "get it" most don't.

In my opinion, you don't need "church gigs".
The people are already getting the message in church.

You need someting like "Middle School" gigs, where you can go in and play their auditorium and present a positive message. Maybe have s hort talk on lifes lessons.
I've seen it done with a band made up of ex cops with anti drug messages, and various other religious bands.

If you can get up to 12 gigs per year, I think that is an acceptable number.
And yeah... music is a money pit. Don't fall into the trap of thinking that NKF needs to be a 'worship band' and have a cushy, 'every sunday' gig - especially if it is about money.

Re examine your original mission and goals. Then ask each man what they think their mission and goal is with NKF.

Just my 2 and 1/2 cents...

I'm all for playing at a lower volume when, as a band, you are really trying to tighten things up and stitch up every little detail.

BUT... when that's done, I gotta crank it up. I have to "feel" the rumble - not just hear the notes.

If you play really quiet all the time in rehearsal, I just think it results in the singer getting out of shape because they no longer have to push themselves - they lose their wind.

Maybe I'm just dumb.