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#159747 by jimmydanger
Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:31 pm
Nice wanking but you're not even close on the rhythms. The song is in Am. Clapton's solo itself is so distinctive that you really should take some time to learn it properly. Also, listen to the little things he does during the verses.

http://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/c/cream/badge_crd.htm

#159754 by Sean Derek
Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:29 pm
The song (Solo Part) is not in A Minor and I never learn solos of other players.

#159760 by jimmydanger
Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:53 pm
I was referring to the key of the verses (Am, D, Em). There's nothing wrong with jamming to a song but it would not cut it were you to try out for a band that was covering that song. Some solos you just have to learn, others you can fake. This is not one of them.

#159780 by PaperDog
Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:18 pm
http://acapella.harmony-central.com/sho ... by-clapton



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgSptNx1 ... re=related

Sean, you can play very good to be sure, but I agree with Jimmy, if you do a cover, probably a good idea to get the frame-work down a lil more precise and keep aligned to the original work, before adding a personal twist to it...

Good luck!

#159813 by neanderpaul
Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:53 pm
PaperDog wrote:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgSptNx1 ... re=related

!


If I was a betting man I would bet Clapton tuned his guitar at about 1:08.
It was sour before that, and sweet after. At 1:08 - 1:09 you can hear him hit something he could have played and quickly tuned to.
Sean, Jimmy, Paper dog tell me if you hear at least the before and after.
Last edited by neanderpaul on Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:36 pm, edited 1 time in total.

#159816 by neanderpaul
Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:04 pm
I'm actually going to disagree with Jimmy and paper dog on this one. I really think the reason I disagree is because I was never impressed with this song to begin with. So it's not one of those epic perfect things that you must duplicate or it is ruined. Some songs are like that. When you posted "Surfing with the alien" I did feel that way. That you needed to play it right.
On this one I feel like you played a bunch of VERY tasty licks and I love your tone. I'd like to see you thrown into a band/song situation where you were forced to play 2 - 2 or 4 measure solos. Where you were forced to pick the best combination of phrases/licks. How's it going with your drummer friend? Have a singer in mind? Are you going for that? Or are you happy making instrumental music?

Starting at 8:02 is a highlight! It's too long and I'd love to hear you refine that into a shorter version but you did a lot of great stuff.

#159818 by jimmydanger
Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:10 pm
There's no doubt Sean can play, and improvising solos is fine too. But I grew up with "Goodbye" and that solo is just too ingrained in my head. I have a lot more respect for someone who plays the main parts of the song correctly and nails signature leads.

#159821 by neanderpaul
Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:14 pm
jimmydanger wrote: I have a lot more respect for someone who plays the main parts of the song correctly and nails signature leads.

I feel you there. Some songs need to have the main parts nailed. THis just is not one of them for me.

Now Jimmy, answer my above question! It's burning a hole in my head! Do you hear it?!

#159824 by jimmydanger
Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:21 pm
Probably Paul. But to be honest that just sucked. I've heard bar bands play that better. Just an excuse for Clapton's endless blues wanking. 461 Ocean Blvd is the last great thing he did IMHO.

#159834 by Starfish Scott
Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:15 pm
Ooh be nice to Sean, he's a bit prickly about "constructive criticism" to put it mildly.

Aka he wants to post it but he's not really inclined to hear your critique unless it's positive.

#159837 by jimmydanger
Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:26 pm
Scott, my comment referred to the Clapton video Paul posted. But yeah...

#159840 by Starfish Scott
Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:29 pm
Oof, so definitely be clear or he'll be calling everyone "dad". lol

Sean isn't bad, he's just stuck in a rut..

#159845 by Cajundaddy
Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:48 pm
Ok Sean I have a little different take on this than the other guys. We all agree that you have a good ear and a lot of technique. I like many of the songs you have posted in the past. This one is not my favorite and I am a big die-hard Clapton fan.

There are essentially three ways to cover someone else's music:
1. You can work it up verbatim and get it really close to the original.
2. You can work it up loosely and get it in the neighborhood without bringing any new fire into the song.
3. You can work it up with a whole new groove and really create something by putting your personal stamp on it.

Most musicians do a little of each. This version of Badge sounds a lot like option #2. (not true to the original track, no new fire or gripping inspiration, just jamming along somewhere in the neighborhood of the song). Nothing wrong with jamming along, it just doesn't really move an audience.

What does move an audience? A lot of players think that to do a song verbatim is the goal. A lot of people like to hear songs very close to the original track. I don't. I think it's a trap, it's boring, and I am guilty of doing it myself a lot. I think the best covers are always option #3. Where the player takes a basic song framework and pours their own fresh groove, inspiration, and interpretation on it. Really epic covers don't come from the local bar band hitting every note. Epic covers are loaded with fresh groove and inspiration like when Hendrix covered Dylan, Santana covered Peter Green, EVH covered Roy Orbison, Rush covered Eddie Cochran, SRV covered Hendrix, Clapton covered Robert Johnson, and on and on.

"Take what you need and make it your own" is the old bluesman philosophy and it still rings true today. Cover songs that really move an audience are familiar songs with fresh, interesting and new ideas that take a song through a whole new door.

#159846 by neanderpaul
Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:07 pm
neanderpaul wrote:
PaperDog wrote:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgSptNx1 ... re=related

!


If I was a betting man I would bet Clapton tuned his guitar at about 1:08.
It was sour before that, and sweet after. At 1:08 - 1:09 you can hear him hit something he could have played and quickly tuned to.
Sean, Jimmy, Paper dog tell me if you hear at least the before and after.


C'mon Cap and Johhny 7. Humor me here.

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