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I'm not necessarily a fan of the occupy movement, but BOA has been gouging the public with a vast array of exorbitant fees. There is a clear alternative to banks and that's the credit unions. I belong to a great one and that's CommunityAmerica Credit Union. EVERYBODY reading my post should take a serious look at joining a local credit union if you haven't done so. The few times I've been overdrawn on my credit union account I've covered it qick and the credit union REVERSED the charges. Banks don't reverse charges.
The people who are in the Occupy movement apparently are unaware that there are alternatives, or they don't want you to know that in America there are alternatives. They would prefer that you give ALL your money to the government. BOA is NOT a monopoly people. OPEN your damn eyes and take your money out of BOA and put it someplace else. Occupying Wall Street is a joke...

I'm not necessarily a fan of the occupy movement, but BOA has been gouging the public with a vast array of exorbitant fees. There is a clear alternative to banks and that's the credit unions. I belong to a great one and that's CommunityAmerica Credit Union. EVERYBODY reading my post should take a serious look at joining a local credit union if you haven't done so. The few times I've been overdrawn on my credit union account I've covered it qick and the credit union REVERSED the charges. Banks don't reverse charges.
The people who are in the Occupy movement apparently are unaware that there are alternatives, or they don't want you to know that in America there are alternatives. They would prefer that you give ALL your money to the government. BOA is NOT a monopoly people. OPEN your damn eyes and take your money out of BOA and put it someplace else. Occupying Wall Street is a joke...

Actually, switching to credit unions has been repeated by the Occupy Wall Street folks a LOT. I do not know how you missed that.

You also seem to be conflating the Occupy Wall Street movement with Socialists or Communists. They are not, not most of them anyway. Most of them are very pro-capitalism, but know that the game is rigged and are fed up with it.

I've seen a few Occupiers interviewed on TV and they sounded like a cross between anarchists and communists to me. Now there's a combination of political theories that would work wonders together...Collectivization and industrialization revisited. 10 to 20 MILLION dead. Just what we need to get us out of recession...

I've seen a few Occupiers interviewed on TV and they sounded like a cross between anarchists and communists to me. Now there's a combination of political theories that would work wonders together...Collectivization and industrialization revisited. 10 to 20 MILLION dead. Just what we need to get us out of recession...

Let me guess...you were watching FOX News weren't you?

Mike, stop getting involved in politics, I just heard a report from ABC that said you didn't have any credibility, and since they are a major network I guess I should just believe them,,,, RIGHT.

Smile man and stop getting your shorts in such a twist. 20 billion American owned firearms say,,,, enough is enough.

I think Occupy Wall Street is a good thing.
It's not about banks charging fees, it's about shady and "illegal" actions taken by some of the major banks.
People are tired of organized crime.

In my opinion the only corporation worse than BOA is Chase.

I think Occupy Wall Street is a good thing.
It's not about banks charging fees, it's about shady and "illegal" actions taken by some of the major banks.
People are tired of organized crime.

In my opinion the only corporation worse than BOA is Chase.

I still have no clue what Occupy Wallstreet is about. All I see are angry people destroying local businesses. If there's a unified message, I missed it.

I think Occupy Wall Street is a good thing.
It's not about banks charging fees, it's about shady and "illegal" actions taken by some of the major banks.
People are tired of organized crime.

In my opinion the only corporation worse than BOA is Chase.

Its nice to know that we can still organize and protest like this... Just 16000 miles away in Syria, protesters are getting shot and killed.

As for the Banks, well its a no brainer... I think the complaint on wall street is that the greed has become so rampant... the folks are resentful that the banks aren't at least providing free jars of Vaseline.

I think Occupy Wall Street is a good thing.
It's not about banks charging fees, it's about shady and "illegal" actions taken by some of the major banks.
People are tired of organized crime.

In my opinion the only corporation worse than BOA is Chase.

I still have no clue what Occupy Wallstreet is about. All I see are angry people destroying local businesses. If there's a unified message, I missed it.

There are many grievances that that they are protesting about.
But, a major UNIFYING one is the collusion of corporations with our government to serve THEIR interests over the interests of the voters'.

There are many grievances that that they are protesting about.
But, a major UNIFYING one is the collusion of corporations with our government to serve THEIR interests over the interests of the voters'

The problem I have is that the U.S. government is largely responsible for driving Corporations overseas... Again, I said this before.. If you start a corporation , you WILL wake up to realize what a f**k -in -the- ass it is to comply with Gov regs and associated costs. If I have a business and I can pay somebody $2.00 bucks an hour to assemble my gadgets, why would I pay you 15.00 an hour to do that job... Especially if I sell my product for only 4.00 bucks a unit?

The occupiers complain, forgetting that the clothes they wear, the cars they drive, and the signs they hold were purchased for dirt cheap. They Want $100.00 shoes for 20 bucks. They want $60,000 Luxury cars for 28k. They have champagne tastes (arguable), but THEIR ENTIRE LIVES ARE ENGINEERED ON BEER BUDGETS.

DO Not blame the corporations...Thy have given you exactly what you wanted... The Government you elected, beats the corporations with big sticks . coercing the corps to give you exactly what you wanted. When your car breaks down, remember that the faulty parts are the result of 2 dollar an hour labor... because you f**k thought you could have that 60.00 working part for 4 dollars and actually get away with it.

What the occupiers need to do is to SHUT THE f**k and improve the quality of their own skill sets... then support each other by buying USA only. Even if it threatens their "weed" money, they should to spend an extra buck more on the other product ...

There are many grievances that that they are protesting about.
But, a major UNIFYING one is the collusion of corporations with our government to serve THEIR interests over the interests of the voters'

The problem I have is that the U.S. government is largely responsible for driving Corporations overseas... Again, I said this before.. If you start a corporation , you WILL wake up to realize what a f**k -in -the- ass it is to comply with Gov regs and associated costs. If I have a business and I can pay somebody $2.00 bucks an hour to assemble my gadgets, why would I pay you 15.00 an hour to do that job... Especially if I sell my product for only 4.00 bucks a unit?

The occupiers complain, forgetting that the clothes they wear, the cars they drive, and the signs they hold were purchased for dirt cheap. They Want $100.00 shoes for 20 bucks. They want $60,000 Luxury cars for 28k. They have champagne tastes (arguable), but THEIR ENTIRE LIVES ARE ENGINEERED ON BEER BUDGETS.

DO Not blame the corporations...Thy have given you exactly what you wanted... The Government you elected, beats the corporations with big sticks . coercing the corps to give you exactly what you wanted. When your car breaks down, remember that the faulty parts are the result of 2 dollar an hour labor... because you f**k-ing thought you could have that 60.00 working part for 4 dollars and actually get away with it.

What the occupiers need to do is to SHUT THE f**k-UP and improve the quality of their own skill sets... then support each other by buying USA only. Even if it threatens their "weed" money, they should to spend an extra buck more on the other product ...

There are many grievances that that they are protesting about.
But, a major UNIFYING one is the collusion of corporations with our government to serve THEIR interests over the interests of the voters'

The problem I have is that the U.S. government is largely responsible for driving Corporations overseas... Again, I said this before.. If you start a corporation , you WILL wake up to realize what a f**k -in -the- ass it is to comply with Gov regs and associated costs. If I have a business and I can pay somebody $2.00 bucks an hour to assemble my gadgets, why would I pay you 15.00 an hour to do that job... Especially if I sell my product for only 4.00 bucks a unit?

The occupiers complain, forgetting that the clothes they wear, the cars they drive, and the signs they hold were purchased for dirt cheap. They Want $100.00 shoes for 20 bucks. They want $60,000 Luxury cars for 28k. They have champagne tastes (arguable), but THEIR ENTIRE LIVES ARE ENGINEERED ON BEER BUDGETS.

DO Not blame the corporations...Thy have given you exactly what you wanted... The Government you elected, beats the corporations with big sticks . coercing the corps to give you exactly what you wanted. When your car breaks down, remember that the faulty parts are the result of 2 dollar an hour labor... because you f**k-ing thought you could have that 60.00 working part for 4 dollars and actually get away with it.

What the occupiers need to do is to SHUT THE f**k-UP and improve the quality of their own skill sets... then support each other by buying USA only. Even if it threatens their "weed" money, they should to spend an extra buck more on the other product ...

Sorry Nobody but that's really a weak retort...

Hey Did ya hear about the zombies, who died of malnutrition? Yeah.., they were feeding off the brains of Left Wing Liberals... Happy Halloween Beeeyotch!

There are many grievances that that they are protesting about.
But, a major UNIFYING one is the collusion of corporations with our government to serve THEIR interests over the interests of the voters'

The problem I have is that the U.S. government is largely responsible for driving Corporations overseas... Again, I said this before.. If you start a corporation , you WILL wake up to realize what a f**k -in -the- ass it is to comply with Gov regs and associated costs. If I have a business and I can pay somebody $2.00 bucks an hour to assemble my gadgets, why would I pay you 15.00 an hour to do that job... Especially if I sell my product for only 4.00 bucks a unit?

The occupiers complain, forgetting that the clothes they wear, the cars they drive, and the signs they hold were purchased for dirt cheap. They Want $100.00 shoes for 20 bucks. They want $60,000 Luxury cars for 28k. They have champagne tastes (arguable), but THEIR ENTIRE LIVES ARE ENGINEERED ON BEER BUDGETS.

DO Not blame the corporations...Thy have given you exactly what you wanted... The Government you elected, beats the corporations with big sticks . coercing the corps to give you exactly what you wanted. When your car breaks down, remember that the faulty parts are the result of 2 dollar an hour labor... because you f**k-ing thought you could have that 60.00 working part for 4 dollars and actually get away with it.

What the occupiers need to do is to SHUT THE f**k-UP and improve the quality of their own skill sets... then support each other by buying USA only. Even if it threatens their "weed" money, they should to spend an extra buck more on the other product ...

No.
We all buy what is available to buy at a reasonable price. Whens the last time you could even buy something for a fair price that was made in this country?
Why would you pay $15 an hour for someone to do the job, and not $2 an hour? Because you are an american citizen.
Even if there wasn't a clusterfuck of government regulation, how many comapnies would do the loyal thing and manufacture items in this country vs. jump at the chance for $2 an hour labor?

"It's too hard and complicated here, I better go overseas so I can make a profit!" <--- Thats a copout.
Profit margins (greed) drives manufacturing overseas as much as anything else.

Changing the trade laws and the tax laws is the only way to right the manufacturing ship.

Of course all that has nothing to do with banks, but whatever

No.
We all buy what is available to buy at a reasonable price. Whens the last time you could even buy something for a fair price that was made in this country?

Pretty Much everything that bought Before 1975. I'll add that those things have lasted as long. What's the oldest Item you possess, that was made in China and wasn't tacked to a wall?

Why would you pay $15 an hour for someone to do the job, and not $2 an hour? Because you are an american citizen.

Wrong. Nobody does business or sets prices based on patriotism... Albeit its a cool idea... But the reality is that businesses set prices based on costs, followed by availability of resources . Thanks to our beloved uncle's tax and tariff laws and , we pay higher operating and production costs (unnecessarily) than any other nation in the world. As such we go to the rest of the world to reduce our costs. In Fact, the government engineered it this way to advance US interests in Global Trading.

Even if there wasn't a clusterfuck of government regulation, how many companies would do the loyal thing and manufacture items in this country vs. jump at the chance for $2 an hour labor?

See the aforementioned

"It's too hard and complicated here, I better go overseas so I can make a profit!" <--- Thats a copout.
Profit margins (greed) drives manufacturing overseas as much as anything else.

Actually not quite. Profit margin always reflect better when Revenues increase (Sale of goods & Services) Not when Costs are decreased (I.e slashing quality checks/design standards and labor inputs) . When a company goes overseas, its becuse the natural revenue they could have generated, gets eaten up (Loss of any Profit margin) and car-jacked by Uncle Sam. I aint makin this up.. Its the current reality... And frankly, I would go overseas (If I weren't such a damn patriot)

Changing the trade laws and the tax laws is the only way to right the manufacturing ship.

Exactly! That's why its tantamount to the voter process to pay attention who the hell we vote in?

Of course all that has nothing to do with banks, but whatever

Think of banks as gamblers betting on race horses... Right now, all the horses are getting farmed... No runners... And banks aint giving away 'bettin- money'...so basically, the track is closed down for now.