Tour Talk

Irresponsible behavior has nothing to do with " loading equipment."

Hang the loser.

It doesn't sound like he was meaning
to kill him, this would make it 2nd, or 3rd,
degree, maybe even manslaughter.

Hanging sounds a little severe!

Equipment is expensive and I'd like
to have mine treated with white gloves.

If you want your stuff handled gently, move it yourself.

I regret having to pick up and move all that crap, but at least I can't blame anyone if anything gets broken.

(and let's face it, we all want to blame someone else)

I move my stuff myself with the help of the
bass player. The drummer is hardest on the
equipment (and drinks the most) so he watches
the stuff on the inside, and the other guitar player
stands out at the trailer while we load, other wise
people steal our stuff.

Generally I don't like playing out with my equipment,
I prefer house pas, and lights, if were playing out
with my equipment you know it's a good paying gig.

For YEARS I've been the primary mover of the majority of the equipment. You should see where I have to haul the stuff in and out of my basement. People rarely offer to help. I don't really give a crap one way or another. It's a job that has to get done. No wimps or whiners. As far as "fragile" equipment you shouldn't have any if you plan on doing a lot of gigs at a variety of venues. And as far as the idiots who fought over moving equipment it sounds like one or both were wimps and whiners. Shut up, man up and move the sh*t, there's work to be done....and quit fighting for God's sake.

For YEARS I've been the primary mover of the majority of the equipment. You should see where I have to haul the stuff in and out of my basement. People rarely offer to help. I don't really give a crap one way or another. It's a job that has to get done. No wimps or whiners. As far as "fragile" equipment you shouldn't have any if you plan on doing a lot of gigs at a variety of venues. And as far as the idiots who fought over moving equipment it sounds like one or both were wimps and whiners. Shut up, man up and move the sh*t, there's work to be done....and quit fighting for God's sake.

Amen Bob


P.S. I'm a severe dude ... all that unintentional whiner crap does not lessen his responsibility for the other mans death.

Hang the mother f*#ker before his selfish bullshit hurts someone else.

Irresponsible behavior and drinking, drinking and
playing music in the bars, playing music in the bars
and loading equipment perhaps they are linked.

While you may be severe it's a safe bet to say
that your not going to judge this man ( and thank
God for that ). In America we have laws and all are
supposedly considered innocent till proven guilty.
To be pro hanging after reading a 1/2 paragraph
is indicative of the intolerance in the USA today.
I hope when your judged all the facts will be looked
at, and not just a 1/2 of paragraph, and then the gavel
comes down guilty hangem.

How can you as part of the medical community advocate
the government killing of citizens. You know when they come
to the hospital, you read there chart and with your omnipotence
make the decision if they should live or die, if you decide they
should die, due to them what Michael Jackson's, doctor
did to him. It might save the taxpayers a few dollars but it
would be wrong.
Judge not lest ye be judged yourself.

With all respect I mean this in the nicest way.

This is why its good to invest in a furniture dolly AND maybe even a flat bed dolly. As for the heavy lifting.. What local high school or college kid wouldn't help out for 50 bucks?

How can you as part of the medical community advocate
the government killing of citizens. You know when they come
to the hospital, you read there chart and with your omnipotence
make the decision if they should live or die, if you decide they
should die, due to them what Michael Jackson's, doctor
did to him. It might save the taxpayers a few dollars but it
would be wrong.
Judge not lest ye be judged yourself.


Real damned easy ... click click BANG !

Read the whole book ... don't just misquote what you don't understand.

I don't understand anything, especially the bible,
but will never condone the killing of humans
by our govt for any reason.
The last guy that pulled a gun on me I beat
him with it, he understood that.
Bars aren't churches and I could see me slapping
you around at 2 am as we try to load my equipment,
and you ph#kking it up. I'd hate to think I'd have
to pay with my life for an accident.
I know I don't understand the bible, but I thought
Jesus was known for his "forgivness", not his
rush to judgement.
As Jesus said: " Peace I leave with you, my peace I
give unto you, not as the world giveth, but as I giveth,
let your heart not be troubled nor let it be afraid."

Respectfully Lynard Dylan

Jesus life ( as a man ) and teaching as beautiful as they were, are irrelevant to judgment and salvation.
Only his death ( sacrifice ) as a free gift to pay for all of mankind's sin is relevant.
God has already " judged " all of mankind as deficient in keeping his law.
"Judgment" as used in biblical context has to do with " final judgment " of sin vs salvation via law in old testament and via Christ in the new testament.
Not dealing with the determination of whether or not someone has broken mans laws and punishment thereof.

There are plenty of biblical reference of Gods giving authority for war & capital punishment.


You of course have your right to your opinion and I'd not dispute that.

However an assault resulting in a mans death is not an accident to me

Nor is his being ( if that were the case ) an alcoholic, drug addict, " insane " or just a dumb ass, an excuse for such behaviors..
His intentional act resulted in another mans death.

And IMO there should never be any " repeat offenders " in matters this serious.

Wow, Ive seen a lot of crazy stuff in the business, but Ive never been involved in an incident like this.

We had a guy that used to help us years ago who dropped a pa cabinet on his leg and broke it, but he did that too himself.

Ive got all our gear in a 6x12 trailer at all times, everything that can have wheels has them and Ive got one of those old red dolleys i use.

I ussually put all the cabinets in the trailer while the other guys roll the cords, I hate cords at the end of the night. So I pack everything away while they do the cords, and then we have this huge cord box on big wheels that we roll into the trailer last. Have these racks on the sides that we hang the lights on.

Our last gig we tore down and were on the road in 30 minutes, and we have a lot of gear. We kinda have a routine that we do to load and everyone knows thier part, so we are ussually just BSing while we load, good times.

I cant imagine getting into a fight with one of my band mates, they are my bros, I will fight with them, but never against them.

This whole deal is just sad in my mind to think about. And hard to believe that two brothers in music could let this happen.

Godspeed to the guy that died is all I have to say.

Good post JW.

And thanks for the " return to subject matter ".

I'll wager you have a different relationship with your people to start with.
Much like I do with mine.

Musicians tend to be highly competitive and quite self centered I believe.
This leads to a lot of groups whom play together but really do not meet my definition of " band ".

But then I am really an outsider / newcomer to this whole business.
So it's really just an impression I get.

I'm beating a dead horse here.
I've played with the same drum player
for the last 30 some years. Were more
than friends, we've had some pretty
good fights, and all sorts of other dealings.
I call him Brother Bill and he'll be here at 1 pm
today for the Sunday hippie jam/play (pictures coming),
His step brother is who I started in music with
40 years ago, and we've had some scuffs, but
he's liable to show up today. The bass player who I was closest
with and is dead now, we fought regularly, and ran
around together pretty thick. So yeah I would fight
one of my band members. Maybe that's part of our problem now
trying to build a large band, but were men, and treat people
with the respect they show. The singer I started out
with Terry, I hit him in the face with the headstock of
a guitar one night on stage, we were DRUNK,
were all still friends. Well got the big hippie jam/play
today expecting a crowd, no equipment for me to move,
hope there's no fights, oh wait this MO if I feel threatened
on my property I can shoot your azz, hope nobody
gets shot today.