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#156008 by PaperDog
Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:02 am
On my Profile (Title: "Shoes & Hats- Constructing Harmonies")

Just tough it out for the 4 minutes...

Sorry about the poor voice quality at the beginning and middle... but its worth the wait, I think

What I wanna know is can this video be useful as part of some training... ?
#156033 by PaperDog
Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:06 pm
PaperDog wrote:On my Profile (Title: "Shoes & Hats- Constructing Harmonies")

Just tough it out for the 4 minutes...

Sorry about the poor voice quality at the beginning and middle... but its worth the wait, I think

What I wanna know is can this video be useful as part of some training... ?


anybody.. :?

#156035 by Jahva
Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:48 pm
Done pretty well, just post it and see what kind of feed-back you get.

I've seen others do the same thing but usually with a known song.
I've also seen people break down the vocal harmonies by using a keyboard.
The song that comes to mind is the Beatles "Because" Great 3part harmony! :wink:

Why didn't you break down the higher pitched falsetto part at the end?
I thought it was really important to the over-all mood.
Was a good sounding piece once all the parts were together. What acoustic did you play and mic used?
Sounded excellent.

#156041 by KLUGMO
Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:43 pm
I don't know dog. It seams to me that an experienced singer could
do all that construction in an hour by himself while preparing for the
studio.
One technique I have used is having the basic music track playing on a
loop. Set up a mic. and just vocalize repetativley and find the parts.
Have a recorder to record different sections as you find them. Then
map out the sections where you will use them on a lyric sheet. If you
forget exactly what you wanted to do in a particular place you have your
discovery recording to refer to.

For someone begining to learn a way to blend voices. I guess it would
be OK. It's my belief that background vocals should never only be
the lead singer. One or two different voices brings diversity to
the recording and is apealing to the ear.
JMHO[/b]

#156047 by PaperDog
Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:42 pm
Jahva wrote:Done pretty well, just post it and see what kind of feed-back you get.

I've seen others do the same thing but usually with a known song.
I've also seen people break down the vocal harmonies by using a keyboard.
The song that comes to mind is the Beatles "Because" Great 3part harmony! :wink:

Why didn't you break down the higher pitched falsetto part at the end?
I thought it was really important to the over-all mood.
Was a good sounding piece once all the parts were together. What acoustic did you play and mic used?
Sounded excellent.


Hi Jahva

The falsettos (Chorals) were only two tracks : They were broken down as "Choral (Shoe, Hat)" I had numerous different takes of these...I'm hoping I did not grab the wrong one...
I think, once they were matched in with the melody and guitar track, it gave the appearance of more than was actually there.

Re: Acoustic was a Martin (Tracked at studio), Main Vocal track (Studio) . The mic ..LOL that was a crappy little attachment to my headphones. I took the studio track of the melody & guitar as the backing track on my Acid Studio SW at home, and then laid down the harmonies on separate tracks, respectively.

The point of my video was to see if I could effectively demonstrate the construction of the harmonies.

The keyboard Idea is actually very good idea...I would uses that in addition to voice samples to illustrate the actual notes being used (for the formal-inclined musicians) . I do intend to clean the voice trackes and package the vid a bit cleaner.

#156048 by PaperDog
Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:51 pm
KLUGMO wrote:I don't know dog. It seams to me that an experienced singer could
do all that construction in an hour by himself while preparing for the
studio.


Yes I agree... The vid target audience was more for the novice or beginner that might not have ever played with harmonies. (or had limited exposure to them)

One technique I have used is having the basic music track playing on a
loop. Set up a mic. and just vocalize repetativley and find the parts.


Precisely how I did it.. I have Acid Studio, added the tracks, looped the main track and did a hit/miss till I came up with satisfactory phrases/notes. (And I saved those tracks for future reference)

Have a recorder to record different sections as you find them. Then
map out the sections where you will use them on a lyric sheet.


I have never composed a lyric sheet that would also point or Que to harmonies.... How does one annotate the lyric sheet for that?


For someone begining to learn a way to blend voices. I guess it would
be OK. It's my belief that background vocals should never only be
the lead singer. One or two different voices brings diversity to
the recording and is apealing to the ear.



Totally agree about using different voices... In this case, I was limited to my own, to crank out the sample vid. But I have a better planned production in mind for later..

Anywho...Much Thanks Klugmo and Jahva for your responses :)

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