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#15425 by Craig Maxim
Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:49 pm
Franny wrote:
Well it's obivious that went completely over your head.
Explain this ...on a bright stormless day.



Over my head? I think the science is going in one of your ears and out the other bro.

When you took that picture, besides the pretty colors, did you happen to notice all the white stuff surrounding them? They are called clouds. Clouds are water vapor. Billions and billions of droplets. Crystals. When those droplets become large enough they fall to the ground, and we call it "rain".

Storm clouds would mean more water present in the atmosphere, whereas the white clouds contain less. Because of this, it would be easier for an observer to "see" rainbows when there is more water as opposed to when there is less. Nevertheless, even with the presence of less vater vapor, i.e. white clouds, it would still be possible occassionally, to see a rainbow from time to time, if you were in the right place.

One thing is for sure, the rainbow is an optical illusion produced by the refraction of light through water. Period.

So, don't go looking for that pot of gold the leprechans hide at the end of the rainbow. There IS NO end of the rainbow. The rainbow's "location" is dependent upon the position of the observer, relative to the light being refracted through water. So try and travel to where you "think" you see the rainbow, and it has seemingly moved to somewhere else, because it is all an optical illusion.

Those tricky Irish! LOL

How many people have tried to find that damn gold since that myth was invented?

#15426 by Prevost82
Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:12 pm
It's easy to explain ... it's water vapor in the sirus clouds. The sunlight is reflecting off water drops, it produces a reflection rainbow with a spectrum of light. You can faintly see the color spectrum in your pictures. Not all rainbow are in a full arc, this one is just a very small segment of the arc.
Ron

#15428 by Craig Maxim
Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:54 pm
Prevost82 wrote:
The sunlight is reflecting off water drops



It's actually passing THROUGH the surface of the water droplet first, which refracts the light, then reflects off the back of the water droplet, and refracted again as it leaves the droplet.

Amazingly, this process was actually discovered, I think, like over 700 years ago!

#15437 by Franny
Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:51 pm
Craig Maxim wrote:
Franny wrote:
Well it's obivious that went completely over your head.
Explain this ...on a bright stormless day.



Over my head? I think the science is going in one of your ears and out the other bro.

When you took that picture, besides the pretty colors, did you happen to notice all the white stuff surrounding them? They are called clouds. Clouds are water vapor. Billions and billions of droplets. Crystals. When those droplets become large enough they fall to the ground, and we call it "rain".

Before stupidity once again "clouds" your judgement (no pun intended) those things you're calling clouds are man made.
Keep looking up...one day it will dawn on you.
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#15440 by Franny
Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:00 pm
Image
I'll type this S l o w l y so you can follow along.
This is a close up of a section of the thing you call a cloud in the upper left of the above picture.
Image

#15442 by Prevost82
Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:50 pm
soooo ... they're con trails ... condensation trail left behind jet aircrafts ..
Ron

#15446 by RhythmMan
Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:09 am
Franny, re: those 1st 2 pictures you posted, (of partial rainbows) . . .
They are called "Sundogs."
I don't know why, but that's what they're called . . .
Not many people know about them, and fewer people notice them when they're visible.
Nice pics.

#15448 by Craig Maxim
Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:45 am
Franny wrote:

I'll type this S l o w l y so you can follow along.
This is a close up of a section of the thing you call a cloud in the upper left of the above picture.



Franny,

Obviously the condensations trails have spread, and if I were not there, seeing what you see, or seeing them when they were only in a straight line, how would I know whether they were contrails or just clouds?

In any event, the contrails are engine exhaust which consists primarily of carbon dioxide and guess what..... WATER! water vapor to be exact.

I was making a joke when I said you were comparing the natural event of seeing a rainbow, to ALIENS!!!! I wasn't trying to be mean to you ro degrade you in ANY way.

But now, you are looking a little foolish, quite frankly, because you seem convinced that seeing a spectrum of colors is not a normal event caused from the optical illusion of light passing through and reflecting off of water droplets. I'm not demeaning your photography in any way, but what you are taking pictures of is a completely natural phenomena with a scientific explanation that we are completely AWARE of.

Whether this planet is being visited by alien craft is NOT conclusively proven, for the general public. We are still not sure, what the explanation is for the phenomena of many UFO's. But it is looking more and more plausible that it is real, occuring worldwide, and not just dismissable as optical illusions, the military's doing, or some other natural earthly phenomena.

That UFO press conference was unprecedented and possibly even historical, as some very important people, former high-up military leaders, political leaders, and others with 7 nations being represented, putting their reputations on the line. They are asking for the government to re-open the investigation into UFO's as they did in Project Blue Book, and to have it include not just goverment, but also civilian direction and participation.

But the humor in this to me, was how you made that comparison. Imagine you and I standing in a field and looking toward the heavens, and I tell you "Oh my God dude, LOOK, there is a disk the size of a football field in the sky spinning and giving off beams of light, travelling from thousands of miles an hour to a near standstill!!!!"

And you're like "Hey, forget about that, look over there! OMG... It's a rainbow, and there are NO storm clouds around!!!!"

#15458 by Paleopete
Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:55 am
because you seem convinced that seeing a spectrum of colors is not a normal event caused from the optical illusion of light passing through and reflecting off of water droplets.


Actually it's not an illusion and it's refracting, not reflecting. No, I'm not trying to insult you, just pointing out the facts that are misconstrued, since optical theory is something I studied long ago, although I don't remember half of it any more. Light passes through the water droplets or vapor and a prism effect results when the different wavelengths refract, or bend, at different angles which separates them into visible bands of colors that make up normal sunlight. You also only see part of them, rainbows are actually circular, you only see part due to the sun's position in relation to your own. In addition, there are other wavelengths like ultraviolet and infrared that you see very vaguely if at all. It's not an optical illusion, you're seeing what's really there, different wavelengths of light.

An optical illusion is seeing something that is not there, like an old favorite of mine. If you hold two fingertips a couple of inches from your nose and bring them slowly together you'll see a single section of finger form with a fingertip on each side, floating in midair. Or loosely hold a pencil horizontally a couple of inches from one end and shake it up and down. It will seem to flop around and bend as if it's made of rubber. Longer pencils work better, and a ruler will work too. Those are optical illusions.

Back on topic, UFO's...I can't say for sure if they were UFO's or what, but I've seen a couple of things that were highly unusual, to say the least. On one occasion about two years ago while using my telescope in the front yard, nothing there but open sky, a light sitting still and looking just like a star blinked three times in a couple of seconds and was gone. No movement, no sound, nothing resembling a physical craft, just a light I noticed for several seconds, then it blinked 3 times and was gone. Not looking through the scope, just looking around to see what else I might want to point it at.

Years ago, before most of this year's college graduates were born, I watched a light, again no definite shape of any craft, just a light, zoom across the sky incredibly fast, take a distinct hard left as if it bounced off a wall, then a hard right as if another bounce, then zoomed off into space. All this in 3 or 4 seconds, in the middle of the Atlantic. No, I'm not sure if it was in the Bermuda Triangle, though we did pass through it that trip with nothing more interesting than a half hour with no power whatsoever then it was back. This moving light happened around the same time, or the same night at least, and went well over halfway across the sky in 2 seconds. Planes take 3 or 4 minutes to move that far...Air force fighters...

It's anybody's guess what either one was, I'm not sure, but after all I've read over the past 40 years I'm pretty sure we're not the only beings who have seen this planet from above...and after looking at the Hubble Telescope website and seeing the pictures of the hordes of galaxies out there and figuring on billions of stars each, it's not easy to see us as the only intelligent creatures in the universe. And if there's even a hint of fact to the multitude of educated guesses on that issue, I'd bet somebody out there can make it across the light years to check us out.

#15461 by Irminsul
Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:59 am
LOL, and you guys thought *I* was bad. Look at the diversion of this thread. Now it's a knock down drag on on water droplets.

Wow.

#15470 by Craig Maxim
Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:06 pm
Paleopete wrote:
Actually it's not an illusion and it's refracting, not reflecting.



First off...Great comment! Well reasoned response. Enjoyed reading it!

But...


The light is both REFRACTING and REFLECTING.

The light passes through the surface of the water drop refracting as it does, then REFLECTS off the back of the water drop, and REFRACTS once again as it passes through the other side. I wasn't aware of the complexities of this, till I researched it. Like you, I assumed it merely passed through the water giving it a prism effect. It is a little more complex than that.

And IT IS an optical illusion. Not in the sense you are thinking of, where our brain sees something that is not really there, but in the sense that what our eyes are seeing is not static, not measurable physically, but changes based on our perception. If it were a plane in the sky, we would all see the same plane, in the same place in the sky, no matter where we were standing. We don't however, all see the same rainbow in the same place. Someone a mile away, or even less, would see a completely different rainbow, in terms of placement, based on our position relative to the light passing through the water, and even our elevation and angle of view.

As you know, you can't catch up to a rainbow, you can't go to where it is, because it doesn't exist in a "location" it is all relative to our perception. In this way, it is an optical illusion.

Another example would be seeing the sunset. We are sure we can see the sun as it begins to pass below the horizon, but it has already passed below the horizon. But because of atmospheric refraction, the light bends, and even when it is physically impossible to see the actual sun, because it has passed below the horizon, we still see it's image, as if it were still there. It is also an optical illusion. The sun exists, but we are seeing an image of the sun, not the actual physical body itself.

#15472 by Craig Maxim
Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:07 pm
Irminsul wrote:LOL, and you guys thought *I* was bad. Look at the diversion of this thread. Now it's a knock down drag on on water droplets.

Wow.



LOL

You can't make a harmless joke without offending someone it seems.

#15473 by Craig Maxim
Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:10 pm
Prevost82 wrote:soooo ... they're con trails ... condensation trail left behind jet aircrafts ..
Ron


Exactly.

#15474 by Craig Maxim
Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:11 pm
RhythmMan_BluesRockFolk wrote: Franny, re: those 1st 2 pictures you posted, (of partial rainbows) . . .
They are called "Sundogs."



I didn't know that, but that would be a good band name. The Sundogs!

#15485 by Franny
Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:58 pm
Thanks whoever mentioned it, i had forgotten about Sundogs (and i studied Astronomy) go figure.
Contrails...no these are not contrails; contrails will disapate, kind of following the Jet path 100's or a 1000 feet behind...these things i photograph last for hours and turn into what look like clouds.
You said you wanted conspiracies, search Chemtrails.

If anybody's interested, you can still see Comet Holmes at night.

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