General Music Chat

I have another good one.

I went to an audition yesterday and it was a few older guys playing straight blues. I asked the guy I spoke to if he had listened to my music and he said he had. He then told me that since it was a paying gig, I could just tone it down and we could make some cash together. (makes stink face)

So far so good? ok

Well, in the samples that he sent me there was a female singing. (cracks a smile) She was ok, I guess. I wouldn't have thought anything about the way she sang. I thought it was passable.

So he had told me they were replacing her. So I thought that this had already happened, right>? WRONG. lol

She shows up at the jam and her eyes got really big right in the middle of an impromptu version of "Roadhouse Blues" and she jumps up on the stage and takes the mic out of my hands, throwing it to the floor.

I KNEW this was a bad situation, so I just backed the hell up and put my hands up, in case she started to swing. I then retreated down to front right and took a seat for "the show".

Next thing I know, the leader and this woman are having a big discussion and it's coming in a little over the mic. It's heated let me tell you.

Now, you know I like a little drama, but this was crazy. I was entertained though. The bass player was cracking me up. The woman was basically trying to negotiate for her job, while the band leader was telling her softly she was gone. Meanwhile this bass player is starting to play softly. I was getting into it./ lol It was really groove and reminded me of "The doors".

It culminated with her losing her sh*t and screaming that they all screwed her over and what a bunch of MFing pricks they were etc.

Right before the climax, the keys player joined the bassist and he's jaming on it, really low like. She's looking around, pissed as hell, but didn't say anything to them.

I was losing it. I was laughing a little, out of embarrassment and yet at the same time, I wanted to get my strat and plug in.

So finally she cries all over the place, picks up the mic and whacks the one guy right on the head with it? (not really sure where she hit him) And storms out, exit stage front. (it made a nice noise when she hit him too)

A little bit after, I just picked up the mic, they continued the jam and we pumped out some of the better variations on a Doors theme I have ever heard.

My nerves were on fire, my brain was smoking and I was smiling so hard, my face hurt. I thought we had something good, right?

Guess again, that guy called me this am. He said that although we have good chemistry, he wants the band to be a straight blues band and not what he viewed when we jammed. In addition, he has decided to take back that female singer that struck him with the mic.

I just wish I had a recording of that..LMAO I'd upload the whole thing.
It was awesome. (laughs deeply)

Karma anyone?

Hey Captn,

Man , you sure can tell a good story. ..I need that today...Ive seen similar over the yrs , but not quite that physical... US older guys really know where its at when it comes to drama...

John

Hey Franny, you know what you can do, jr. LOL

Go beat on your bass. And don't forget your major scales, cause you need to be happy. LOL

Nit wit!

I loved the whole thing, see I like conflict. It does a body good!

And just to have the upload would have been spectacular, as it was good. Then maybe I could get certain no music freaks to stfu until they post ANYTHING AT ALL!

BTW, Franny you have any music? I don't remember.. Lemme check..

oops. Maybe when you are 60? lol

After all that - a physical assault - the guy takes the singer back?

I'm no Kreskin but I get the idea they were more than band leader and singer. Maybe she shut the waterin' hole down and his horses discovered the meaning of thirst

Captain (of the good ship Lolliepop) Scott, i'll deal with your dumbass later.
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Funny … a similar thing happen to me this week, not the freaked out chick thing but the music genre. I get a call from a guy, guitar player, in Vancouver, 300 km from where I live, no problem, and he’s got a 8 pc R&B band and they are looking for a keyboard / Hammond player … that’s what I do, Hammond is my first instrument. So I get the details on the music they are playing, Sam & Dave, James Brw, Commitments etc. most of it I played in other horn bands over the years.

So I load up my small rig, Hammond XK2 instead of the B3 and my Technics PX7 piano and down the road I go. I’m pretty excited, as I haven’t play in a horn band for about 10 yrs. I get to the rented practice space early and setup and the rest of the band sarts drifting it all before the start time, no late comers, I’m impressed.

So I get a song list and start making some cheat’s on the songs that I haven’t done. The band starts the first song and I just lay back and listen to get a feel for their style … and it’s a bit blaaaa … no real groove happening … sounds like everybody but the bass is just playing cords not music. The bass player is trying to get a groove going but without someone else to play against it’s not coming thou.

So halfway through the song I jump in softly with the Hammond and start to play off … lite funk chops, the bass, then we hit the chorus and the horns come in and I throttle up the Hammond with a wall of sound, big dynamic built … big smiles on the horn section, singer and bass. We move into the 3rd verse and the horn section and I drop right out, big hole … after a couple of bars of the verse the bass player starts to funk it … slaps and pops … he smiles at me, I smile back … he wants to play. I lay back for a bit then hit some high quick chops complimenting the bass and kick … now I get a big smile from the bass and smiles from the horns, the bass and I build the groove up a bit then we hit the chorus and this time I crack it up early, in the transition from the V to C I do a low to high slide then hit a high cord inversion, that comp’s the horn’s, I hit this cord when the horns hit their first note … it was big. We finish the song and everyone’s ecstatic, talking, lots of wows … except the guitar player … he doesn’t look happy.

We do a half-a-dozen songs some lame, some the bass and I can get a groove going and make cook. Again lots of wows, I have to note nobody in the band had ever worked with a Hammond, so the wow’s are as much about the wall of sound that a Hammond can do, as my playing … after the 6 we take a smoke break and the guitar player sit down an start to talk about the bands, his, musical genre. He’s British, bin in Canada for about 5 /6 years and he’s telling me about Northern Soul, his genre, which came out of Britain in the 70’s … basically a very white version of the real R&B that came out of the south and pretty blaaa as far as I’m concerned.

And so went the night … we finish and pack up and the band, minus the guitar player, is standing outside wanting to talk to me and they ask if I going to join them and I say NO, I explain they if they had 3 or 4 sets that they had down tight and I come in and make my cheats and show up to their gigs, I would, but the band isn’t at that stage … they’d be hard pressed to have 2 hrs worth of music after a yr together. I explain that I do allot of walk in with not practice, just cheats, the band sez that yea they can see that. The guitar comes out and won’t even look at me … shakes my hand and thanks me for coming out and that’s it.

I find this funny because Vancouver has a lousy music scene when it comes to paying gig’s. There probably 100 to 200 bands vying to play at 10 to 20 paying venues, probably the same in most big cities, and they end up playing for nothing, unless they have a sound that gets them on the “A” circuit.

This band had a poor sound mainly because of the guitar players genre and his unwillingness to bend from it, even thou the band with the right people and material can cook and pull a head of the pack. If a band can’t produce revenues for the venue by having a unique sound, stage show or whatever, and the bigger the revenues the better, it will never get anywhere and the members will get discouraged and quit. The Leader just didn’t get it.
Ron

Don't fret though, Captain Underpants will be along shortly to point out you have no music posted so your chops can't possibly be that good.

Captain Underpants says "The proof is in the pudding". lol

Franny is like the rest, 99% haters and 1% wannabes.
Franny, you look like a hater, not a wannabe.

One of the better yarns, Provost. Don'tcha just hate people that can recognize something good but hate the fact that YOU brought it to the surface?

Oh and I applied to kindermusic. They said you had the music, Franny. lol

I certainly hope you didn't use it to line your birdcage, as that's a paying gig!

PS: Irminsul, she was nothing to look at. LOL I can see why she was singing the blues, that nasty pig. She should be happy that she didn't choke on her corn cob.

Yea ... I kinda see that ... pretty hard to get a intelligent discussion going on this forum with all the BS ego … mines better than your thing going on. Get tired of this sh*t … posted a couple times and there doesn’t seem to be any intelligent life on this forum or someone that wants to have a discussion about music and or industry is seem to deterrent into ... some 2 yrs olds rant that, "I'm the best" because I posted music or some other troll rant that deterrents into a big blowout ….

I’m a player, I play live, in bands, lots of bands … I am only one cog in the wheel of a band, I'm not a star and I don't pretend to be one ... there are many players better than me by far … and I don’t sit in the basement playing and recording layer on layer like many on this forum ... I play live and that's all I do, and playing IN A BAND is allot different that sitting in the basement. So I don’t have any material that I can show, but that doesn’t make me less a player and I'm sure not in your category Captain … yes you have music posted but sounds like something that I would have written when I was 10 yrs old ...oh yea that would have been 45 yrs ago .... and yea your stuff sounds pretty recycled.... do another TAB of LSD and maybe you'll pull out of it. I wouldn’t even post that sh*t.. like what you recorded Captain.

You are nothing more than a troll and a "Want-a-be" musician, a real musician shares what he learned with others but from what I've read, you have no kind words or encouragement for anyone on this forum ... your style is to knock everyone down so you look important .... oh ...yea ... right... you're the one that posted some Sh*t that you'd have to pay me to listen too.

IS THERE NO REAL MUSICIANS ON THIS FORUM THAT WANT TO HAVE AN INTELLIGENT DISCUSSION?

Ron

Yea ... I kinda see that ... pretty hard to get a intelligent discussion going on this forum with all the BS ego … mines better than your thing going on. Get tired of this sh*t … posted a couple times and there doesn’t seem to be any intelligent life on this forum or someone that wants to have a discussion about music and or industry is seem to deterrent into ... some 2 yrs olds rant that, "I'm the best" because I posted music or some other troll rant that deterrents into a big blowout ….

I’m a player, I play live, in bands, lots of bands … I am only one cog in the wheel of a band, I'm not a star and I don't pretend to be one ... there are many players better than me by far … and I don’t sit in the basement playing and recording layer on layer like many on this forum ... I play live and that's all I do, and playing IN A BAND is allot different that sitting in the basement. So I don’t have any material that I can show, but that doesn’t make me less a player and I'm sure not in your category Captain … yes you have music posted but sounds like something that I would have written when I was 10 yrs old ...oh yea that would have been 45 yrs ago .... and yea your stuff sounds pretty recycled.... do another TAB of LSD and maybe you'll pull out of it. I wouldn’t even post that sh*t.. like what you recorded Captain.

You are nothing more than a troll and a "Want-a-be" musician, a real musician shares what he learned with others but from what I've read, you have no kind words or encouragement for anyone on this forum ... your style is to knock everyone down so you look important .... oh ...yea ... right... you're the one that posted some Sh*t that you'd have to pay me to listen too.

IS THERE NO REAL MUSICIANS ON THIS FORUM THAT WANT TO HAVE AN INTELLIGENT DISCUSSION?

Ron

Sorry Prevost, i let my frustration get the best of me (which i don't mind as i can hold my own verbally and or musically) so my getting flustered wasn't directed towards you in any way. If you'll delve into some of these threads you'll soon discover who is and who isn't, whether they have music files on here or not. I'm like you i play live and don't record (though i can) yet i feel for me being a bassist most people (some musicians included) wouldn't understand a solo bass piece. I'd rather sit deep in a funk pocket than wank out benign "look at me stuff" any day.
Once again my apologises.

Gee "Ron", I just play what I like. And if I cared what you liked, that'd be something, eh? lol

If you don't like it, that's cool by me. I like what it sounds like, that's why I play it. I don't play to please anyone but me. I like people that make it all sound better, not worse.

And when people walk into a new situation and make others look dumb, they tend to spazz out like you just did. I just have no idea why, nor do I care.

You want to be a weirdo, by all means. I can tell by what you wrote that you can play. I don't know for sure, but I see by your language that it all looks genuine. Sure, I really like to hear ANYTHING people upload, as it's them playing it. Simple.

Speaking of trolls. LOL Better comb your pink hair!

Who is the best? (shrug)

Who knows it all? (shrug)

"Not I", said the starfish. (squishy-squishy) lol

You certainly do have the artists' temperment, eh>? Either that or you need a maxipad!

Je ne pense pas cette e-thug est vraiment! A la bonheure!!!!

As far as the intelligence of the forum, I think it's unfair to base it on a few. But being hasty, well that seems like what you do best. Make sure you glean a few more inferences before it's over. That way I can get an even bigger laugh out of your tired rants.

If I didn't know better, I'd say you crapped your undies when you read that bit that Franny said about me giving you grief as you didn't have music uploaded. lol Underwear is in aisle 3.

OK now that everyone's had their primal scream sessions with the grief nurse, let's pull it back to topic. The guy posted his stuff and wanted feedback. That's fine. A subthread that came from this one (hell maybe there is more than one) would by what key sigs mean emotionally, in differing times and cultures. Clearly, they differ. I'm not a hiphop or rap artist, and my exposure to those genres is limited. However I can say that a minor key for most if not all such music is absolutely resonant, seeing that it comes from a socio-economic place in the culture that is far from desirable for most.

Given that, I think DJ knows his domain.

There are simply bunches of lead guitarists who can't stand sharing the lead work with comparable musicians (or better ones). I personally don't like hearing lead guitar all night long. I believe in balance in a band. I've almost always played with a strong lead guitarist AND another strong lead instrument, whether it's keyboard, sax, harmonica (blues harp), or another strong lead guitarist. You came in with your big hammond sound and showed up the lead guitarist. I think it's a matter of him being insecure. It sounds like you can kick ass on your instrument. He obviously didn't know how to handle not being the focal point of the band. I have to admit I've played with some keyboard players who didn't know how to control their volume (power) and made it difficult to hear the other soloists. I don't think that was the case in this situation. The other band members seemed to enjoy what you were bringing to the mix. Certain lead guitarists NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE NOT THE ONLY MEMBERS OF THE BAND. THE WORLD DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND THEM. Balance is the key to a good band. Let everybody in the band get their chance to shine. Later...

Well Franny ... if you can put down some funk ... I'm on our your page. I love to mess with the beat .... that's what a Hammond does, works those back beats. What kind of music you play ... do any Stanley Clarke stuff? Slap and pluck ...love that sh*t, can't beat a good bass player to play off.

I play once a week with a 4 pc free form fusion Jazz group at a Jazz club on Wed nights ... great little venue and allot of fun.

We go in with no music and each of us take turns, through out the song with iImprovised chord progressions and solos with gate posts that we come back to ... you have to be on top of your game cause some of the chord progressions may contain 6 to 8 chords with 3 or 4 movements in the songs, so that can add up to 20 different chord in a song and sometimes one of the guys will throw a modulation in, LOL that makes your brain go sideways. This is done live in front of audience, we get wayyy out there with no safety net.

It's a great workout for your ear and for playing out of the box. We bring in a soloist every now and then, had a elec violin last week. We practice the gate posts, a solo line that everyone plays but in fifths or third harmonics, standard Jazz breaks and we launch the improvised chord progressions from these jazz standards.

If you love funk you'd love doing this it's music for musicians that know there instruments.

I still get calls to tour now and again, see my profile of my personal tour bus, and still get out east to play. If I'm in your area I'd love to hookup with you ... I love playing with a good funk bass player ... good ones are so hard to find.

I'm buying a new Hammond XK3c Pro, this spring, which is the same as a B3 only 300 lbs lighter, LOL, and it has outputs that I can plug into my computer, so way easier to record than my B3, maybe we could do some online collaboration. I've got a good drummer with digital drums that can lay down the beats with me. We'll keep in touch ...

Ron