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#15246 by RhythmMan
Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:09 pm
Hey, don't expect us to go chasing after it.
There's a million other sites with a million other songs on them . . .
If you really want people here to listen to your music, then post it here, and you'll get a better response . . .

#15248 by Franny
Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:50 pm
Your beats are good (imo) for what you're doing.
Musically staying in Minor Keys limits what can be done, it's extremely difficult to live'n up minors. Try some Major Keys, and you'll notice your beats will have to change accordingly.
I like what you're doing, don't get me wrong.
Heres something you may or may not know.
Minor keys and scales: Have a dark, mysterious sound and the mood presented is one of sorrow, saddness, fear.
Major Keys and Scales: Have a Light, happy sound to them and the mood they present is one of joy, elation, happiness, celebration.

#15251 by Prevost82
Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:29 pm
I guess it's good for for Hip-Hop club music. Personaly I find one cord or staying on the root, songs boring and I'm not into HH club music ... that just me. As far as the minor chords ... your music wouldn't work with majors as far as i'm concerned. I don't know what Franny is talking about, music structure is not that black and white, allot of times it's better to have a mix of minor & majors, give the sound some flavor .... isn't that what the Beatles did?

Keep at it, that's how we get there ... maybe work on putting more than one chord or bass root in your song.
Ron

#15254 by Franny
Sat Nov 10, 2007 8:30 pm
Can anyone hear the difference between a Major scale vs. a Minor scale?
What is this Theory 101?

#15257 by Irminsul
Sat Nov 10, 2007 8:41 pm
Franny I think what Prevost82 was alluding to is that it's not so cut and dried all the time regarding your comment about minor keys = sad/fearful/foreboding and major keys = happy/celebratory. A Polish "Oberek" is almost always in a minor key and it is a really rousing, get off your ass and dance it up sorta piece. Beethoven's Pathetique Sonata (it was later adopted as the melody for a pop song called 'Midnight Blue') is in Ab major but its truly one of the saddest songs I've ever heard.

#15259 by Franny
Sat Nov 10, 2007 9:03 pm
Irminsul wrote:Franny I think what Prevost82 was alluding to is that it's not so cut and dried all the time regarding your comment about minor keys = sad/fearful/foreboding and major keys = happy/celebratory. A Polish "Oberek" is almost always in a minor key and it is a really rousing, get off your ass and dance it up sorta piece. Beethoven's Pathetique Sonata (it was later adopted as the melody for a pop song called 'Midnight Blue') is in Ab major but its truly one of the saddest songs I've ever heard.
Yes, i understand all that. I wasn't referring to Polish, Hungarian, Enigmatic, or any other scale(s). I was talking of the basic premise of Western music and the thought that goes along with it. I could talk myself out of that premise by weaving in extended attributes if i wanted to. Did you listen to the song(s) in question? You'll see or rather hear what i mean.

#15261 by Irminsul
Sat Nov 10, 2007 9:26 pm
Franny wrote:Yes, i understand all that. I wasn't referring to Polish, Hungarian, Enigmatic, or any other scale(s). I was talking of the basic premise of Western music and the thought that goes along with it. I could talk myself out of that premise by weaving in extended attributes if i wanted to. Did you listen to the song(s) in question? You'll see or rather hear what i mean.


Yes, I did. And to be honest, when I "envision" what he is doing, done with major keys, it sounds like it doesn't work. There are probably entire papers that could be written on the reasons, but I know it doesn't come off right. It may get right down to the fact that hip-hop/rap is an urban street thing, and life in general there is pretty negative. Just a thought.

#15262 by TheCaptain
Sat Nov 10, 2007 9:38 pm
the turns these threads take just kills me...over & over...

pathetique, btw...gorgeous piece of music

#15264 by Franny
Sat Nov 10, 2007 9:58 pm
Irminsul wrote: when I "envision" what he is doing, done with major keys, it sounds like it doesn't work.
Allow me, if i may..."Oh, for Christ's sake!!!"
Thank you, we now return you to your scheduled broadcast.

#15265 by Irminsul
Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:21 pm
Well, give it a try then. Get the composer's permission and take any of the pieces he's posted, and redo them in a major key. Then post them on your profile, and we can examine them.

The proof is in the pudding. Can you produce the pudding, or only scream about the proof?

#15266 by Franny
Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:27 pm
Holy sh*t...you're kidding right? All i suggested was he/she try some major keys to change things up. Christ almighty, i never said redo your music to the person.
Are your Leotards too tight today or what? sheesh...



Edit: remember? i'm the one that likes the they're doing...
#15272 by EffusiveArt
Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:48 am
thank you for the responds. i think, you know the person that posted, music shouldnt be confinded to any single or even a majority opinion of how it should be how it should sound genre or anything else. there just beats a vocalist completes the track. you need to listen to all music. thats why music over all is in a bad state . most peoples ears are program to what sales. but thats just my opinion.

#15274 by Prevost82
Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:51 am
Franny ... I think Irminsul ... got what I was eluding to, and he's hit the nail on the head, I think, as far as HH beening urban kinda negitive.

Using minors in a major progression can add some bite to the sound ... it gets your attention ... so to speak. And the same goes for adding a major to a minor chord progression. If we all stuck to music 101 I doubt that music would have become what it has today ... it's not that cut and dryed, to quote Irminsul.

Ron

#15275 by Prevost82
Sun Nov 11, 2007 4:06 am
BANGBEAT ... I think you got it right as far as the minor progression .... the minor progression suits HH. Your stuff sounds OK, but maybe you should try adding a few more chords or more of a more dramatic chord change, as apposed to a subtle chord change, so there is more movement to the song. It's a bit hard to hear if you are playing more than one chord thoughout the song ... or if you are doing subtles like ... Am to C /w A bass.

Just a suggestion, but take it from the source, I don't play or write HH. LOL

Ron

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