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#150360 by RGMixProject
Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:31 am
Florida is the first State that will require drug testing when applying for welfare! Some people are crying that this is unconstitutional. How is this unconstitutional? It's OK to drug test the people who work for their money but not those who don't.

Will this cost the tax payers more money or less?

Will crime go up?

Is Legalizing marijuana gonna cost us less in drug testing?
#150367 by PaperDog
Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:14 am
RGMixProject wrote:Florida is the first State that will require drug testing when applying for welfare! Some people are crying that this is unconstitutional. How is this unconstitutional? It's OK to drug test the people who work for their money but not those who don't.

Will this cost the tax payers more money or less?

Will crime go up?

Is Legalizing marijuana gonna cost us less in drug testing?


In America's effort to capture and classify sub-groups of citizens (i.e minority, and its copious amounts of definitions, they always forget to name and categorize that last one... I believe its named: "Losers".

To me that would be more honest... It transcends across all ethnic and non-ethnic participants... Under the new definition, when we see a lazy welfare recipient on crack, cashing his check in the bank, we can say "Oh Look! That loser is cashing a check..." or "How did this loser get in front of me in line. " The Federal and state agencies could re-label their welfare protocols and processes: "Losers must have an appointment- No Walk-ins accepted" or "Losers, begin line here". In shelters, we could have. "Homeless people check in here" and "Homeless losers must have an appointment- No Walk-ins accepted"

just a thought

#150405 by gbheil
Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:40 pm
My simple solution ... no welfare.
Then you don't have to worry about people using public assistance funds to buy crack.

#150409 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:00 pm
sanshouheil wrote:My simple solution ... no welfare.
Then you don't have to worry about people using public assistance funds to buy crack.


I don't know Sans. To drive my own HAZ-MAT truck I have to have a "personal" drug testing program in place, so I can EARN money.
Personally it only bothers me because costs me @ $500 a year to comply with DOT regs, ( many others all add up, these costs just get passed on down the line).

As far as addicts getting free money, a perfect example of liberal politics.

'NOUGH SAID!

#150410 by fisherman bob
Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:09 pm
I don't say no welfare for drug abusers or no welfare period. I do say drug testing for welfare recipients and MANDATORY rehab. I do say LEGALIZE pot. I do say once clean a welfare recipient MUST perform voluntary work, cleaning parks, removing graffiti, etc. I do say that it's not for anybody to judge whether a person should or shouldn't be on welfare. I'm sure there are many abusing the system and if so they should have to "work" for their welfare if physically able to.

#150411 by gbheil
Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:36 pm
Sounds good Bob.

Except, taxpayers end up paying for failed rehab over and over again.

Legalize drugs ?

Sure, fine with me. As long as we hang the ones whom are irresponsible and do injury to others or their children.

Just the children suffering I see in my own extended family due to the damn drug whores ( male and female ) neglecting their children makes me want to go on a killing spree.
I grew up as a teen doing & selling drugs as well as drinking way to much.
But I never once placed my children in jeopardy just so I could go "party".

I'm so damn sick of the destruction of peoples lives and family that I see every single day at my job and as I stated in my own family.

Just makes me hate ... God help me.

#150415 by MikeTalbot
Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:27 am
Yeah

Legalize drugs or at least, decrimalize. The drug war has been the primary force in the creation of a police state and feeds buckets of money to police and govt that it steals from abusers.

Pot? Who cares...

the rest of it - well, there were at least a million opiate addicts, probably more, after the War Between the States. Wounds made by .60 calibre rounds or canister shots, amputations etc - just didn't heal that well in those days - still don't for that matter.

You could buy opiates anywhere then - on up to around 1917. Had zero impact on crime and people used it as they wished. Heroin is sometimes called "horse." Reason: "White Horse" brand heroin used to be widely available and even advertised. Back before the nanny state.

I highly recommend not using opiates if you don't have to for medical reasons - you might need that stuff for surgery and have used up your ability to get the relief you'll need. should be legal though - would end associated crime and govt should mind their own business anyway.

Methamphetamine? The meth lab business makes it very dangerous to others. Don't know.

Talbot

#150422 by PaperDog
Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:41 am
MikeTalbot wrote:Yeah

Legalize drugs or at least, decrimalize. The drug war has been the primary force in the creation of a police state and feeds buckets of money to police and govt that it steals from abusers.

Pot? Who cares...

the rest of it - well, there were at least a million opiate addicts, probably more, after the War Between the States. Wounds made by .60 calibre rounds or canister shots, amputations etc - just didn't heal that well in those days - still don't for that matter.

You could buy opiates anywhere then - on up to around 1917. Had zero impact on crime and people used it as they wished. Heroin is sometimes called "horse." Reason: "White Horse" brand heroin used to be widely available and even advertised. Back before the nanny state.

I highly recommend not using opiates if you don't have to for medical reasons - you might need that stuff for surgery and have used up your ability to get the relief you'll need. should be legal though - would end associated crime and govt should mind their own business anyway.

Methamphetamine? The meth lab business makes it very dangerous to others. Don't know.

Talbot


This topic is by far one of the most difficult topics I have ever given thought to. I see Multiple sides to this and it drives me nuts. All I can say is this... I have seen both Alcohol AND Drugs, ruin so many lives. Add to that, they just don't make livers like that, anymore... or brains for that matter.

The issue of ruined lives has become so politicized, that now its become big business. We learned from prohibition that people were gonna booze it up whether it was illegal or not.

The single most overstated assumption that advocates for drug legalization espouse, is that legalizing the drugs will prevent crime. Technically speaking, real Criminals perform crime, with or without drugs. Add to that, real criminals understand that there are no laws which will stop them from engaging in drug use.

But the idea of engaging in the use of Drugs and calling that a crime, is the biggest reason we have prison overflow.

On the other hand, ain't it funny how drugs make some people do some seriously stupid things, which are in fact crimes, which do in fact send them to prison.

So here is my conclusion: Its not my place to tell anybody that they can't smoke pot or shoot up "horse". DO all you want when you want...But the minute you cause harm to me and you effect my interests, then I'm gonna 'take you down ' somehow, some way. So if that proves to be a viable rationale, then why not structure the law in the following manner:

1) Make all or most drugs legal
2) You must be licensed to distribute.
3) Consumers not allowed to carry or engage it outside of home or approved association such as a legal 'den' or club.
4) If you cause harm, destruction, crime or any damage due to adverse behavior (associated with under influence), then double the current mandatory prison sentancess / fines for said violations)

See, the problem with the drug issue, is that most folks want the drugs, but they haven't offered any standards for assuring safe practices,... Remember, Under Civil rights and Constitution : Your rights END where the next guy's BEGIN... and so on. So, All we gotta do is step up to the plate and offer accountability to help the law discern that fuzzy line between people's respective rights. We do that, we can have legalized drugs... Just My opinion.

#150443 by Starfish Scott
Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:44 pm
If you are on WELFARE and you want to EAT, put down the DRUGS.

If we have to pay your way, get off the sh*t.

I am not paying for your crack habit, just like if you pump out a slew of kids you hate and do not take care of, I don't feel like paying you extra for every child you neglect.

TEST EM ALL !!!! Get clean or get a job, if you want to do drugs be responsible and pull your own weight!!!

welfare + drugs = no reason to get a job/not have a liter of 12 kids.

#150463 by PaperDog
Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:28 pm
Capt Scott wrote:If you are on WELFARE and you want to EAT, put down the DRUGS.


What if they want to eat the drugs? ;P


If we have to pay your way, get off the sh*t.

Why not legalize the sh*t..then they can sell it and earn revenue t pay their own way?

I am not paying for your crack habit, just like if you pump out a slew of kids you hate and do not take care of, I don't feel like paying you extra for every child you neglect.


The idea is to hold Americans accountable for 'their own' crack habits, so you and I don't ever have to pay for 'their' crack habits.



TEST EM ALL !!!! Get clean or get a job, if you want to do drugs be responsible and pull your own weight!!!


In a legalized drug society, testing would become moot.

welfare + drugs = no reason to get a job/not have a liter of 12 kids.


Exactly, which is why legalization makes sense... WELFARE + LEGALIZED DRUGS = RISE In EMPLOYMENT OF DRUG RETAILERS.

We haven't even addressed the moral issues about this yet. (This where I brought up a new minority classification called "Loser" Losers do all the drugs they want but are subject to the same social ethnocentricities that other minority's create and complain about, in addition to the pressures of being Losers.

#150474 by gbheil
Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:01 pm
Capt Scott wrote:If you are on WELFARE and you want to EAT, put down the DRUGS.

If we have to pay your way, get off the sh*t.

I am not paying for your crack habit, just like if you pump out a slew of kids you hate and do not take care of, I don't feel like paying you extra for every child you neglect.

TEST EM ALL !!!! Get clean or get a job, if you want to do drugs be responsible and pull your own weight!!!

welfare + drugs = no reason to get a job/not have a liter of 12 kids.



Damn right brother ...

#150480 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:28 pm
Capt Scott wrote:If you are on WELFARE and you want to EAT, put down the DRUGS.

If we have to pay your way, get off the sh*t.

I am not paying for your crack habit, just like if you pump out a slew of kids you hate and do not take care of, I don't feel like paying you extra for every child you neglect.

TEST EM ALL !!!! Get clean or get a job, if you want to do drugs be responsible and pull your own weight!!!

welfare + drugs = no reason to get a job/not have a liter of 12 kids.


DOUBLE DAMN RIGHT!!

#150624 by Starfish Scott
Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:54 pm
Paper just get on my ignore list and stfu.

#150641 by PaperDog
Sun Jul 24, 2011 4:39 pm
Capt Scott wrote:Paper just get on my ignore list and stfu.


awww Capt Scott got his feelings hurt cos somebody here, who ain't a sheep stepped up to challenge his dribble. The funniest part... is it wasn't a challenge... I actually agreed with some of what you had said and merely made light of it. But you are such a f**k moron, you didn't catch that part.

Been reading your dribble now for too long..

1) You never have anything nice to say
2) You never have anything intelligent to say
3) You are proof that America had a problem with lead poisoning,
4) You can't write music worth a sh*t ...(Why are you even on this site, seriously)?

5) Maybe folks where yo live suck your dick all the time.. Me I'd probably kick your fat ass if I had be next to you. So, go f**k your self, you fat piece of uselss dope -smoking rehab piece of sh*t.!! Feel free to put me on YOUR ignore list. Its not like you actually count.

#150663 by gtZip
Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:20 pm
PaperDog wrote:
Capt Scott wrote:Paper just get on my ignore list and stfu.


awww Capt Scott got his feelings hurt cos somebody here, who ain't a sheep stepped up to challenge his dribble. The funniest part... is it wasn't a challenge... I actually agreed with some of what you had said and merely made light of it. But you are such a f**k-ing moron, you didn't catch that part.

Been reading your dribble now for too long..

1) You never have anything nice to say
2) You never have anything intelligent to say
3) You are proof that America had a problem with lead poisoning,
4) You can't write music worth a sh*t ...(Why are you even on this site, seriously)?

5) Maybe folks where yo live suck your dick all the time.. Me I'd probably kick your fat ass if I had be next to you. So, go f**k your self, you fat piece of uselss dope -smoking rehab piece of sh*t.!! Feel free to put me on YOUR ignore list. Its not like you actually count.


Uh oh...
Paper, don't poke the grizzly.

1) Mostly true, but that's part of the entertainment.
2) Not true.
4) Uncalled for.

Again with the violence threating on the forum... Oy Vey.

Since he cage fights for fun, I would imagine that you would be the one getting the ass kicking.
You're just not used to his style.

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