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Irrational? Maybe. That's what we have to live with. You'd be on the other side of the fence if they taxed aircraft fuel irrationally. Feel the heat? The word Irrational comes from the root word ration: To divide evenly. What I'm saying is to ration taxes Evenly. Who's really irrational? The way you want it to stay,(because that's the way it is), is don't tax the rich because they will have more money to buy goods and services from those that aren't-and while we're at it, tax the poor harder on what goods and services we've sold. We have a war on two fronts to pay for you know.

Irrational? Maybe. That's what we have to live with. You'd be on the other side of the fence if they taxed aircraft fuel irrationally. Feel the heat? The word Irrational comes from the root word ration: To divide evenly. What I'm saying is to ration taxes Evenly. Who's really irrational? The way you want it to stay,(because that's the way it is), is don't tax the rich because they will have more money to buy goods and services from those that aren't-and while we're at it, tax the poor harder on what goods and services we've sold. We have a war on two fronts to pay for you know.

I Think a flat tax is a good idea. But the govt won't do it because then they lose rights to engineer communities based on constituents' interests. A flat tax would abolish such control..since it could not specifically represent any particular spending cause.. hence could not support discretionary collections.

Irrational? Maybe. That's what we have to live with. You'd be on the other side of the fence if they taxed aircraft fuel irrationally. Feel the heat? The word Irrational comes from the root word ration: To divide evenly. What I'm saying is to ration taxes Evenly. Who's really irrational? The way you want it to stay,(because that's the way it is), is don't tax the rich because they will have more money to buy goods and services from those that aren't-and while we're at it, tax the poor harder on what goods and services we've sold. We have a war on two fronts to pay for you know.

I Think a flat tax is a good idea. But the govt won't do it because then they lose rights to engineer communities based on constituents' interests. A flat tax would abolish such control..since it could not specifically represent any particular spending cause.. hence could not support discretionary collections.

A "flat tax" does not take into account the very large ( probably the majority ) of people whom live and work here in the US and pay no tax at all.

Universal sales tax, import, export, any good or service sold or purchased by anyone personal industrial, no matter.

Irrational? Maybe. That's what we have to live with. You'd be on the other side of the fence if they taxed aircraft fuel irrationally. Feel the heat? The word Irrational comes from the root word ration: To divide evenly. What I'm saying is to ration taxes Evenly. Who's really irrational? The way you want it to stay,(because that's the way it is), is don't tax the rich because they will have more money to buy goods and services from those that aren't-and while we're at it, tax the poor harder on what goods and services we've sold. We have a war on two fronts to pay for you know.

I Think a flat tax is a good idea. But the govt won't do it because then they lose rights to engineer communities based on constituents' interests. A flat tax would abolish such control..since it could not specifically represent any particular spending cause.. hence could not support discretionary collections.

That was the most intelligent counter point I have seen on this thread. Run with it baby! Thanks, Paper! Question remains, Are we going to add more taxes to the load bearing, or tax aircraft fuel by another $1 a gallon? Hey, I'm just sayin'.

You know some taxes are needed. The funny thing that keeps happening is you pay a dollar in taxes and suddenly that's not enough.
So you pay a dollar fifty, and suddenly thats not enough.
So you pay two bucks, and suddenly thats not enough.
Mean while EVERY THING just got a whole lot more expensive because of the covert taxes that every politician knows are so hidden that the average stupid dumbass will never understand how much in taxes they are really paying.

Does anybody really think that putting a buck tax on "aviation fuel" is going to wipe away the out of control spending.

Taxes need to be erased. The tax code needs to be completely rewritten(so our SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY PAYS HIS FAIR SHARE) Yes Tim Geithner is a tax cheat, I can't believe it, and he is watching the henhouse. Oh yeah he came clean and kissed the ring. And still you allow your personal property to be stolen from you. SAD!

And most of all the spending has to be directed and controlled by responsible people of representation. Spending that doesn't waste one dollar on national debt interest payments.

You know some taxes are needed. The funny thing that keeps happening is you pay a dollar in taxes and suddenly that's not enough.
So you pay a dollar fifty, and suddenly thats not enough.
So you pay two bucks, and suddenly thats not enough.
Mean while EVERY THING just got a whole lot more expensive because of the covert taxes that every politician knows are so hidden that the average stupid dumbass will never understand how much in taxes they are really paying.

Does anybody really think that putting a buck tax on "aviation fuel" is going to wipe away the out of control spending.

Taxes need to be erased. The tax code needs to be completely rewritten(so our SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY PAYS HIS FAIR SHARE) Yes Tim Geithner is a tax cheat, I can't believe it, and he is watching the henhouse. Oh yeah he came clean and kissed the ring. And still you allow your personal property to be stolen from you. SAD!

And most of all the spending has to be directed and controlled by responsible people of representation. Spending that doesn't waste one dollar on national debt interest payments.

I have always contended that original taxation was the price we paid for doing and living in the business of America. In the beginning it was reasonable and I don't mind paying a reasonable tax. But I'm sick to death of getting gouged by these suit-wearing pole smokers in Washington.

You make me feel like kool-aid man------------Oh, yeah!

Ok so then we all agree that raising taxes in any way shape or form will only lead to more wasteful spending.
Tell our government to stop stealing, in the name of having more money to blow on getting re-elected because they "brought home the bacon".

I have more important things to do with my property. Share with all the people around me that are getting CREAMED by the values, that the twisted few have started to place, and burden the American people.

The greatest problem is the enormous waste by an enormous out of control government complex.


Not even the government accounting office know for certain how much is being spent on non essential services.

The whole cites of Boulder & Pueblo Colorado are employed by the government printing pamphlets no one reads or needs.

Why are we paying for non essential services when they are non essential? All non essential services are government bloat by both description and nature.

Glen the way you make it sound, seems unintentional, like maybe incompetence perhaps? I don’t think that’s the case. Forgive my fanatical ranting, but the Middle East is up for grabs, the future of China is a huge threat and the common person will have nothing to do with yet another war. So what do you do? Just recently some other nameless country (China’s “blue army”), stole terabytes of information about our new 500 billion dollar fighter. So I guess, what maybe three years before they have one? They already have a stealth fighter.

With or without the people we are going to be doing this world conquest thing, but you have to flush the old system first. Libya was a good test of those waters and declaring war without congressional authority, seems to have the same consequences, as wrongfully invading another country. So why not, what’s to stop it? I think Mike is right. A republic assumes representation of the people, where our representatives are just pandering to their specific party’s fantasies and themselves. It’s obscenely ridiculous that given the amount of room for negotiation on either side of the fence regarding the budget, that a compromise couldn’t be met.

Not to worry with the TSA brown shirts monitoring, tracking and scanning the public and 20,000 active troops on call for domestic deployment, the trade over to a semi-dictatorship should go fairly smoothly. Did you guys see where the TSA was using a portable version of the backscatter x-ray scanner on NJ PATH commuters in secret? Two times in 2009, to test it out. The representative who works for the company sells the systems to governments world wide, including ours. Where’s the news media, this could fit somewhere in between the ex IMF chief and whatever big brother episode their peddling.

Recently I read an article from the Russian press. They were up in arms because we had an Aegis missile cruiser off of their coast. It was supposed to be in a joint anti-terrorists exercise with the Ukrainians, who just happen to share the same sea. Of course having an ICBM defeating defense system there makes perfect sense, because you can never tell when the Taliban will be launching a nuke. It’s a little North to claim it’s defending against any threat from Iran. To put into perspective it would be like the Russians parking an ICBM defeating system off the coast of New York and claim it was in response to a threat from Nova Scotia and in support of Cuba. We wouldn’t have a problem with that right? Hey you were in the navy, you damn well the cat and mouse games they constantly play.

We are itching for another war, unfortunately we can’t do that favor for North Korea, even though they keep begging for it. I mean where’s the oil in that? This all sounds crazy, but anyone who doesn’t think we won’t be invading another Middle Eastern country or warring with China eventually, is a hell of a lot more delusional. If our government and it’s oil/military corporate sponsors want another war, with or without public behind them, it’s going to happen.

Lalong, I think you have me confused with some one else. I agree with all your points, except the last one about itching for war.
The truth is being played out as we speak. World and internal powers want to draw down the American flag.
point 2 would be to bring home all our troops and amass a horrific national defense. Of course this would only be possible if we still had a national space program. OF which ,I have to defer to point 1. Drill baby drill. There is no way to sustain national security following our present energy policies. Should I say it again? We have been through this since the 70s. ARE WE NUTS???

We are past world wide peak production and as you point out I don’t hear a whole lot about what we are doing towards conservation. Where a country like Brazil is energy independent. If there is no plan to cut back, then there must be one to get more oil.

Oh yeah but that brings me to the point that if I weren’t nuts and it is intentional. It wouldn’t matter how many trillions of dollars or where you throw the useless paper, if you know it’s will be worthless in a little while anyway. So you buy what support you can while it still has value. Circle the wagons for what’s to come. If you know it’s all a house of cards to begin with and that the collapse is a certainty. After all the fed has been propping it up for the last few years through artificial injections anyway. Of course if the government is running the banks, it makes it easier to pull off. Now their actions seem to make sense. Spend like there is no tomorrow, because for the US dollar, there probably isn’t.

We don’t have the most oil, but we do have the largest gold reserves on earth. So if something mysteriously were to tank the US dollar a few advantageous situations occur. First of all we would be far stronger rebooting our economy based on gold than anything directly influenced by oil. This has to be done for our economic survival eventually anyway. Through gold reserves the government still has the economic means to survive and pay it’s military, yet a crashing US dollar also cripples China’s economy as well.

There probably isn’t a billionaire on the face of the planet, who doesn’t have a fair amount of wealth in commodities. So when it happens, they still retain their elite status. Even more so, since commodities will skyrocket in value.

If it’s all economic based, than every free trading government on earth, would prefer the U.S. have dominance of the ocean trade lanes, rather than China. Remember that it's capitalism that is their arch enemy. Nothing idealogical about it, unlike with the terrorists. I know you know this but for those of you who forgot. When the cards fall and the choice is clearly us or China, you can bet any country dependant upon free trade is going to go with us. England, France, Germany, they have a lot more risks if there is an eventual Chinese Russian alliance than an American Chinese war.

Except Russia, they have to share a continent with China and they’ll feign neutrality until things get dicey. When China makes it’s move against us whether it’s in Korea or the Middle East then they will declare war and take China for all it’s worth.

We still have a space program, it’s just now mostly military. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1268138/X-37B-unmanned-space-shuttle-launched-tonight.html http://www.spacenews.com/military/110323-stss-demo-birth-death-missile-tracking.html
http://blog.al.com/huntsville-times-business/2011/04/missile_test.html
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/24/business/la-fi-hypersonic-missile-20110324

The last part in the last article is pretty telling, as far as what our priority is in space:

“Initially, NASA led the program, fueling speculation that hypersonic engines could help propel spacecraft into orbit. Throughout the 1980s, NASA worked to develop a vehicle that could take off from a runway using jet engines until hypersonic engines kicked in and took it to the edge of space. But the space agency dropped the program because of a lack of funding.

Seeing potential for aircraft and missile systems, the Air Force picked up research on the X-51, which led to its flight last year.”

So to put it all together shortly we will be able to detect and track an ICBM launch from anywhere on earth, shoot it down through remote target and launch of the Aegis missile system. At the same time be able to attack with missiles at hypersonic speeds, with no chance of defending against it. When all that is a reality and for what the public knows, that could be right now. Why wouldn’t you use those advantages while you had them, to obliterate your future enemy before they had a chance to catch up?

If you check the dates on the reports of the test they all came out several days after Russia and China condemned our involvement in Libya. Kind of like “I double dog dare you.” If this is what’s publicly volunteered, I can’t imagine what remains secret. But whatever that is, the Chinese now know too. Within a couple of years, there is the very real possibility they could steal their way to the same military tech level as us. It worked for Russia, how many years did it take for them to develop an atom bomb after us? On a related note, Lockheed Martin was one of those systems compromised in the latest unnamed (Chinese) hacking attack.

If the Chinese can steal literally terabytes of top secret information on our latest 500 billion dollar jet fighter. It’s simply inevitable that they will eventually have one of their own. Their cost in development being absolutely free. Although there have been no casualties yet, I think it’s fair to say we are already at war. Now or later it’s going to happen, now is better for us, later better for them.

China’s “blue army”: http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/asiapac/stories/201106/s3234257.htm
The pentagon threatening muscle in response to cyber attacks: http://tommytoy.typepad.com/tommy-toy-pbt-consultin/2011/07/the-military-must-move-from-defending-against-major-cyberattacks-to-deterring-assaults-by-letting-enemies-know-the-us-is.html