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A corpse, months old, with duct tape over her mouth.

Yep, sounds like an accident to me too.

Amen phil, This not Shangri - La.[/b]

Well, the jury determined that this could have been a tragic accident, or perhaps there are so many logical suspects that none of them can be pointed out for sure. Therefore, no one can be found guilty without a shadow of doubt.

As was said above - it is not illegal, nor is it necessarily an admission of guilt, to go out partying when a loved one goes missing. It certainly seems callous, & perhaps a bit suspicious to those of us who would react differently. However, those that were given all the available facts...i.e., the jury...could not say for certain that the mother killed the daughter.

Justice for the dead girl demands nothing less than certainty. It would be a horrible thing to convict the wrong person in this, or in any other case.

Even with all the wonderful scientific methods we have of "proving" guilt, this woman could not be determined to have done the deed, with any certainty. That is all we can ask of our justice system.

To those who want more laws passed, so that she could have been convicted of a crime, I would say this - how many charges should one face for any given crime?

A guy who robs a liquor store can possibly face how many charges? Robbery. Using a gun in a felony. Illegal detention. Civil rights abuses. Brandishing a weapon. Yadda yadda yadda. And don't forget - each one of these charges must be faced in a court of law, & most often paid for by you, the taxpayer.

The rather liberal abuse of law-writing is ruining, not only our legal system, but the lives & credit ratings of untold innocent ppl who must face each extra charge attached to a single act, & for what? To make sure that no guilty party escapes a judgement? How far are you willing to go?

No. Rather than cluttering up the system with ever more laws, it is far better to allow some guilty party to go free, than to ruin the lives of so many in your zeal to ruin one guilty party. This is what our forefathers intended when the system was designed.

Oh man... I'm guessing you haven't lost a child to this sort of thing. When Tommy Lee (Motley Crue) lost his kid in the pool. The entire family came clean right away about how that event transpired. As such, the tax payer was relieved the burden of a full trial in court... They ruled it accidental, and what ever negligence was determined had been remedied accordingly... Justice was served more or less for that family and the child.

There are already federal and civil laws in some states, in place, which require YOU, ME and Casey ANTHONY to assume a CIVIC DUTY ...to report any event , where such events' point to a violation of safety/harm against a person or persons. To give you an idea of how seriously some judges take that... if you were selling water in an intersection, and I saw that, did not tell the police about the safety issue, or ignored the foreseeable consequences without attempting to talk you out of the intersection,... and then you get killed by a car, ...I could actually get reprimanded by a court for negligence of duty on my part. (Its hard to enforce on John Q public) But in the case of The Anthony, they totally blew it. and its very actionable by the court.

I agree how more legislation is more loss of over all freedom for Americans...(And I hate the fact that it exists like that) But when it comes to Human Safety, that prevails over my concerns for Credit ratings, etc.

I personally cannot/ do not justify The "the sacrifice of the one; for Good of the many " when the 'one', who has the right of freedoms and life, isn't even given a choice in her own fate. So, I DOO NOT think its okay for Casey Anthony to walk away without an explanation, free and absolved like this.

Here's a cruel thought: Casey: "I got 99 problems...and a kid ain't one of em"

You need to climb out of that box.[/b]

You need to climb out of that box.[/b]

Yeah, ok whatever

A corpse, months old, with duct tape over her mouth.

Yep, sounds like an accident to me too.

I know that looks fishy, but maybe the duct tape was only to keep the water out of her mouth in case she fell into the pool again. The reason she was found so far from the pool was probably because she already drowned once and wasn't about to chance that again.

Some of the villains of this debacle are the CSI shows that solve every case within an hour by matching a hair in the data base and immediately finding the guilty culprit, or such nonsense as is in that pretend police work. And some jurists are beginning to expect results like that in real life.

Another is the fact that the jury is NOT a jury of our peers, it is a stacked jury chosen by the defense and prosecuting attorneys. Lawyers always manage to get those that are easily confused and cause reasonable doubt.


It reminds me of a case here in the Midwest where a transient was found with 14 stab woulds in his back and three bullets to the back of his head.

It is still classified as the worst case of suicide on record.

But in the end, nobody gets away with anything.

I know that looks fishy, but maybe the duct tape was only to keep the water out of her mouth in case she fell into the pool again. The reason she was found so far from the pool was probably because she already drowned once and wasn't about to chance that again.

I know it's sick, but I spit my tea out laughing at this.

I'm really staying silent here because I see both sides of the evidence issue. However, it is angering. I mean, here's Casey's defense:

My kid drowned and instead of freaking out, hauling her out of the pool, trying to do CPR, calling the ambulance because I'm panicked like most parents and holding on to some hope that they can revive her, my dad tells me that because I wasn't paying attention to her she drowned, he's going to dump her body in the woods and make it look like a homicide and because he sexually abused me I had became so used to lying to cover up that fact, I decided to just go along with it. So I'll make a diary post about not regretting my decision, I'll party. It makes perfect sense to make something that's an understandable accident look like a homicide where I'm the prime suspect thus ruining my life and ruining my parents life because we like to live on the edge.

Gee, you'd think with all the CSI shows somebody would have done a better job of dumping the body and ditching the car. I mean, even Susan Smith did a better job of playing the grieving parent and conjured up a better story.

Here's somewhat what I think happened. Casey wanted to knock Caylee out so she could go partying. She googled chloroform. Something went horribly wrong and she died or Caylee wasn't going along with the program and threw a fit, she lost her temper and tied her up or taped her up, Caylee died either from trauma or from too much chloroform or a mixture with that and something else. Casey panicked, took off with her parents' car and hid with Caylee's body in the trunk while she wrote bad checks and stealing money from her friends. She got caught, decided to ditch the body then ditch the car. Pretended nothing happened, write that she doesn't regret her decision. She lies to everybody - poorly. The parents start doing their own investigation, they locate the car, it smells like a dead body.

I mean, we'll never know, but somehow this makes more sense to me. I don't think she planned to kill Caylee, but the little girl wound up dead which would explain her erratic behavior, the lying and that stupid ass defense story of accidentally drowning in the pool. I mean, even Susan Smith had a plan and played her part of the grieving mother.

Still, I feel so terrible for that child. I hate when anyone innocent - child or adult is killed. I'm as vicious as a mother bear when it comes to my kids. So yes, this case makes me sick.

Chaeya

Bottom line - if you cannot determine how someone died, you cannot say for sure that it was murder, or who is to blame for the death.

Legally, that is all one can expect from a jury.

This is not a travesty of justice. It is an unfortunate accident of events, whether or not the child was murdered.

Accept it & move on.

Bottom line - if you cannot determine how someone died, you cannot say for sure that it was murder, or who is to blame for the death.

Legally, that is all one can expect from a jury.

This is not a travesty of justice. It is an unfortunate accident of events, whether or not the child was murdered.

Accept it & move on.

Sort of like the 6 million jews, who cant' locate that last nazi war criminals... So lets "Accept it and move on". Or how about the historic slave trade in America...African Americans who hear it every day.."I wasnt there brother...Lets just accept it and move on" Anybody lost a loved one..to a drunk driver... who gets 5 years and walks...? Well brothers & sistahs , we would just like you to "accept it and move on" .


Was diggin me a hole
in a merry old lawn...
when I found a set of bones,
but I'ma movin on...

Was sniffin me a bowl
when a traveler came along,
So I shot her up and f**k ed her,
and now I'm moving on.

Was dancing like a mad-man
to a very silly song
while the world was under fire
I let it burn on and on

Was stalking like a mad-fan,
... she could do no wrong,
Just wanna be her liver,
And put her left shoe on...

That't all the time i got kids,
Gots to put my evil groove on...
You'll never ever catch me..
So just accept and move on

Life is a terminal disease, PD. You won't get over it, evidently, so you're bound to spend a lot of time angry about the unfairness of it all. Must be tough to be you.

Don't expect us all to fall into that trap.

I know a woman who has crashed her car, drunk & high, with her kids in it. She also had her stepson's kids in it. She is on the Methodone program, which means that, as long as she gets to the clinic before innumerable others, she gets free drugs. She frequently drives a car with no insurance, sometimes with stolen tags. Her kids are often with relatives or friends. Her ex tried to help her once, when she was supposedly getting her life together, & she called the cops on him for domestic abuse & had him removed from his own house, while she lived there rent free for 90 days. (He didn't do anything, by the way. I know he's too smart to pull that stuff. But now he has a criminal record.)

She's still on the loose. Still has one of her kids with her. He's the one that has skipped school so often that he's nearly been sent to the state home for wayward kids, & has a scar about 13 inches long on his scalp from her little car accident.

Is it right? Is it fair? Should those kids be stuck with her? Should she be allowed out on the street?

Yeah, at any time, she could kill someone I know &/or love. Can I DO anything about it? Can I do anything to make sure she doesn't harm any more ppl? Sure - I can kill her. That's about the only thing I can think of...but it just ain't me, man, & if it were, I'd be guilty of "taking the law into my own hands."

You have got to learn to let go, sometimes, unless you are willing to accept the responsibility of your actions, & of the possibility that your decision is not the right one.

Yep - I wasn't no slave owner. In fact, I don't think my family ever owned slaves in this country. There were plenty of slaves who sold themselves, too, of other colors than just black. It's been over 200 years. Things are more fair now than at any other time in the history of this country. Get over it.

You really know how to hold onto a grudge! I don't consider that a very good character trait for myself...but to each his own. Far be it for me to judge you.

I'm not trying to pick a fight Phil, BUT

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Life is a terminal disease, PD. You won't get over it, evidently, so you're bound to spend a lot of time angry about the unfairness of it all. Must be tough to be you."

This from someone who is constantly harping about someone being wealthier then you if they have worked their all lives to make a BIG business or corp? (It seems that happens on almost every political post.) But lets NOT turn this in to another one because I'm not trashing your view on the rich, just pointing out that as you, PD also has some strong feelings about some things.

As far as to who did what, concerning that child's death, even those who do not believe in an all knowing creator would agree that life has a way of settling the score one way or another. In one way or another justice gets even. If not here, later. It is my personal opinion that nobody ever gets away for anything that they Have done.

Bottom line - if you cannot determine how someone died, you cannot say for sure that it was murder, or who is to blame for the death.

Legally, that is all one can expect from a jury.

This is not a travesty of justice. It is an unfortunate accident of events, whether or not the child was murdered.

Accept it & move on.

Phil, I have accepted it and I have moved on. I'm not over here banging my head against the wall about it, but I do have an opinion. I have a scientific mind and I like piecing things together. I understand that it wasn't proven physically.

Chaeya

Yep - I wasn't no slave owner. In fact, I don't think my family ever owned slaves in this country. There were plenty of slaves who sold themselves, too, of other colors than just black. It's been over 200 years. Things are more fair now than at any other time in the history of this country. Get over it.

You really know how to hold onto a grudge! I don't consider that a very good character trait for myself...but to each his own. Far be it for me to judge you.

Phil, please, you need to lay off, honestly. No one here is holding a grudge and I think you're taking your own anger and venting out at us. We can have an opinion about the Anthony trial, that's all it is. Yes, life is unfair and like Slacker said, you've vented about stuff that was well, unfair.

But please, don't tell people they need to get over sh*t because there's some thing you're just not going to get over. Try telling that to my friend who lost her beloved daughter to a drunk driver. Yes, she suffers a lot, she's no longer able to sleep at night, she finds comfort in food, yet she does recognize that on the positive, her daughter's death has brought a lot of people into her life and she started a business out of her daughter's death.

The Swiss thought they should just shrug their shoulders, STFU and just not deal with stuff and before they knew it they had an out of control heroine addiction problem with their youth, so sometimes, it takes people being pissed off and voicing their opinion for sh*t to get done.

And please, don't play the slavery card, you're getting out of line there, and I don't think you're in a good frame of mind to argue with me on the matter at the moment.

Chaeya

Sort of like the 6 million jews, who cant' locate that last nazi war criminals... So lets "Accept it and move on". Or how about the historic slave trade in America...African Americans who hear it every day.."I wasnt there brother...Lets just accept it and move on" Anybody lost a loved one..to a drunk driver... who gets 5 years and walks...? Well brothers & sistahs , we would just like you to "accept it and move on" .


Was diggin me a hole
in a merry old lawn...
when I found a set of bones,
but I'ma movin on...

Was sniffin me a bowl
when a traveler came along,
So I shot her up and f**k- ed her,
and now I'm moving on.

Was dancing like a mad-man
to a very silly song
while the world was under fire
I let it burn on and on

Was stalking like a mad-fan,
... she could do no wrong,
Just wanna be her liver,
And put her left shoe on...

That't all the time i got kids,
Gots to put my evil groove on...
You'll never ever catch me..
So just accept and move on

LOL I was hoping somebody would have said some-tin about my really cool lyrics on the fly. <grin> Just fer the heck of it, did anybody catch the constructive aspect of that.? Like Phil, do ya see how I turned my opinon into something more than a rant? If you ever wann ever be cool Phil, yer gonna have ta NOT ACCEPT DEFEAT beeyotch ; )

You're so cute, Dog, yes, they're quite nice, now put some music to them so you can give some life to the words.

Chaeya