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God says stay away from arguments about His word

God says to stand up for the truth. Stick to his word. And that it's not open for private interpretation. And that you will suffer if you do that. Just think if your parents had "avoided confrontation" when it came to raising you. In the end you would suffer. If somebody is going near a fire and is about to get burned I'm going to warn them. Even if they get mad at me.

LOL, guilt, suffering . . . egads with all of this!

Frederic Nietzsche:

Pity stands in opposition to all the tonic passions that augment the energy of the feeling of aliveness: it is a depressant. A man loses power when he pities. Through pity that drain upon strength which suffering works is multiplied a thousandfold. Suffering is made contagious by pity; under certain circumstances it may lead to a total sacrifice of life and living energy--a loss out of all proportion to the magnitude of the cause (--the case of the death of the Nazarene).

Amen.

Some scholars believe that amen is a derivative of the name of the (Egyptian god) Amun / Amon (which is sometimes also spelled Amen).

Amen is an ancronym. "’El melekh ne’eman".

Gods word is Gods word,there are many avenues to get to one truth,and every thing God says is one truth,warning i can see,arguing is not what we are to be doing.If one does not take a warning then its not up to us to keep trying to make the person see the truth,they did not take it the first time are they going to the 2nd and 3rd from the person whos trying to warn them??its now up to God and its now up to us to pray that God can open there eyes,God warns us all the time but do we always take His warnings????or does it take Him sometimes to let us keep going untill we find we are in deep doo doo and then say gosh!!! what happend, ( letting us get burned.) And yes i belive if one posts a topic looking for feed back on that topic gee wiz why not read the topic and give feedback on the same topic,if it dont work that way why even post I mean it may be just me but thats what i do Amen is hebrew and it means so be it,and i know this for i know greek and hebrew

Gods word is Gods word,there are many avenues to get to one truth,and every thing God says is one truth,warning i can see,arguing is not what we are to be doing.If one does not take a warning then its not up to us to keep trying to make the person see the truth,they did not take it the first time are they going to the 2nd and 3rd from the person whos trying to warn them??its now up to God and its now up to us to pray that God can open there eyes,God warns us all the time but do we always take His warnings????or does it take Him sometimes to let us keep going untill we find we are in deep doo doo and then say gosh!!! what happend, ( letting us get burned.) And yes i belive if one posts a topic looking for feed back on that topic gee wiz why not read the topic and give feedback on the same topic,if it dont work that way why even post I mean it may be just me but thats what i do Amen is hebrew and it means so be it,and i know this for i know greek and hebrew

But, that's just it . . . there has never been One Word from this god, nothing, everything is written off as the words of god through divine intervention and from some Man (Magdalene's Gospel aside of course).

Matter of fact there is nothing that is proven to be written by the hand of Jesus / Yeshua either . . . just Men propagating a Faith.

I'm not arguing, just bringing up a few fun facts.

As for the Amen thing, I agree etymologically it doesn't line up, but the association is quite interesting to say the least.

To answer your question and/or observation, there's no simple answer here. We established everyone's feelings about the music, so the lyrics. I don't care for overly angry lyrics and I don't listen to groups that advocate murder, drugs, serial killing, doing violence, or I just find the song crass. But this is where it becomes complicated, there are some songs that do advocate these things and I like them because I see them as funny and everyone listening to them and the video promotes it as more of a joke.

But you can't judge an artist based on their lyrics. I mean you got a song like "I Can Believe I Can Fly" by R Kelly and it gets sang in churches and church events all over the world yet this guy was screwing around with underaged girls making sex videos.

I do believe that if there's something you advocate, then on some level you're going to attract the very the very thing you're selling in some form or another. To me it falls in line with keeping your thoughts pure. So if you're out there riling kids up promoting drug use and violence, then that's gonna come back to hit home.

Chaeya

Gods word is Gods word,there are many avenues to get to one truth,and every thing God says is one truth,warning i can see,arguing is not what we are to be doing.If one does not take a warning then its not up to us to keep trying to make the person see the truth,they did not take it the first time are they going to the 2nd and 3rd from the person whos trying to warn them??its now up to God and its now up to us to pray that God can open there eyes,God warns us all the time but do we always take His warnings????or does it take Him sometimes to let us keep going untill we find we are in deep doo doo and then say gosh!!! what happend, ( letting us get burned.) And yes i belive if one posts a topic looking for feed back on that topic gee wiz why not read the topic and give feedback on the same topic,if it dont work that way why even post I mean it may be just me but thats what i do Amen is hebrew and it means so be it,and i know this for i know greek and hebrew

haha. yeah - threads take off pretty easily. There's quite a few God threads. They sizzle out over time. You could create a new thread called God vs. Not God. Everyone itchin for that kind of discussion might migrate over to that thread

This is GREAT, what other religion on earth can fight amongst itself?
Hail Satan!

I Met the Devil once.. Face to Face. This I have Learned:

1) He'll laugh more at you than he ever will at me. (Because I still have something that he wants...)

3) He promised me there is no Hell-Fire and Brimstone. No pain as we know it. But He assured me that a real Hell exists. (Think of existence in disarray, perversity within an abandoned universe, and a complete absence of hope. )

4) He skipped number 2 because he proudly boasts chaos.

5) He also proved to me that he knows my Christian Bible even better than I do.

I remember walking away from that interlude, as I witnessed a beating in a bar.

The vision and knowledge was the biggest blessing I ever received.
As such, rationalize religion all you want. Justify / counter it all you can. Thrive well and get your licks in, before it all rots away.

As for me, I've got a better place to be , just around the corner

I always imagined the second coming to go something like this (the part of Jesus shall be played by Hermione Granger, the part of the Bible shall be played by the paper she's holding, your average Christian shall be played by Harry Potter).



Chaeya

Ha ha ! Now that's Funny!

This is GREAT, what other religion on earth can fight amongst itself?
Hail Satan!

I Met the Devil once.. Face to Face. This I have Learned:

1) He'll laugh more at you than he ever will at me. (Because I still have something that he wants...)

3) He promised me there is no Hell-Fire and Brimstone. No pain as we know it. But He assured me that a real Hell exists. (Think of existence in disarray, perversity within an abandoned universe, and a complete absence of hope. )

4) He skipped number 2 because he proudly boasts chaos.

5) He also proved to me that he knows my Christian Bible even better than I do.

I remember walking away from that interlude, as I witnessed a beating in a bar.

The vision and knowledge was the biggest blessing I ever received.
As such, rationalize religion all you want. Justify / counter it all you can. Thrive well and get your licks in, before it all rots away.

As for me, I've got a better place to be , just around the corner

Yikes . . . are you on heavy medication?

This is GREAT, what other religion on earth can fight amongst itself?
Hail Satan!

I Met the Devil once.. Face to Face. This I have Learned:

1) He'll laugh more at you than he ever will at me. (Because I still have something that he wants...)

3) He promised me there is no Hell-Fire and Brimstone. No pain as we know it. But He assured me that a real Hell exists. (Think of existence in disarray, perversity within an abandoned universe, and a complete absence of hope. )

4) He skipped number 2 because he proudly boasts chaos.

5) He also proved to me that he knows my Christian Bible even better than I do.

I remember walking away from that interlude, as I witnessed a beating in a bar.

The vision and knowledge was the biggest blessing I ever received.
As such, rationalize religion all you want. Justify / counter it all you can. Thrive well and get your licks in, before it all rots away.

As for me, I've got a better place to be , just around the corner

Yikes . . . are you on heavy medication?

I think you missed the whole metaphor, which is surprising, since you articulate yourself as a bit of philosopher. But that I think of it, That night I had about 4 pitchers. The visions were unmistakable, a revelation if you will. And every bit of the list is true.

BTW, Nietzsche was deemed and certified a mad man when he wrote about Pity. I hope you also realize that he deeply inspired Adolph Hitler , and was in fact the great Grand Daddy on the concept of super human races, (which became paralleled and almost manifest by Hitlers' quest for supremacy AKA the Aryan race.) I would have to say, both Nietzsche and Hitler's ideas were far more lethal than any meds that you and I could ingest , combined.
Now please tell me that you really are NOT Ok with the decimation of 6 million Jewish lives, as you pontificate on old Frederick in your quotes.

I'll also point out the science of Cymatics where it is shown that Frequencies indeed do Create geometric patterns and thus meaning that the origin of our Universe (big bang) has these Principles in charge of Creating the material universe not some Intelligent Designer (aka god).

Everything organic in our universe is known to be a result of a mathematical Principle called the Golden Mean, Phi, and /or the Fibonacci Sequence.

The fabrication of god is an attempt at consoling the mind in all these matters and of course deeper more spiritual matters as well.

I Disagree... Nothing organic in this universe is known to be the result of anything mathematical, principle or otherwise. However, I will agree that everything organic can be expressed and explained mathematically.. (Big Difference) As for Fibonacci, the trouble with that theory is that each pattern is not repeatable...Infinite combinations (i.e no two snowflakes are alike . Please show me how the class and species of a frog, remains constant in design, under the premise of your suggested sequence. Finally, how do you know whether or not Frequencies are the 'intelligent design' that casts an outcome called the material universe. (String Theory holds that the fabric of our universe is defined through vibration; All known frequencies are reliable and indisputable, therefore, all anomalies in the universe can be explained and repeated. If this is true, then random design, cannot exist. And If that is true, then the only remaining explanation is that the design of the universe is deliberate, suggesting intelligent, ordered design.) And as a bonus, what you call odds and probability, I might describe as 'margins of tolerance' for far reaching, expected outcomes.

The fabrication of god/ or Devil is an attempt at consoling the mind in all these matters and of course deeper more spiritual matters as well.[/quote]

Again, Sounds good until you actually read the label. You are making some assumptions: that a mind with conviction of faith, somehow qualifies for and needs consoling.
Faith requires no evidence, therefore no consoling is necessary.
If you need evidence, it means you have doubt. If you have doubt, it means you are likely to challenge a prevailing convention.

Thus, Can you dispute the logic of Descartes meditation about existence? (Albeit it its a dated philosophy). He does not console his own mind. He actually challenges his own conviction and is able to reconcile a fact out of it.

This is GREAT, what other religion on earth can fight amongst itself?
Hail Satan!

I Met the Devil once.. Face to Face. This I have Learned:

1) He'll laugh more at you than he ever will at me. (Because I still have something that he wants...)

3) He promised me there is no Hell-Fire and Brimstone. No pain as we know it. But He assured me that a real Hell exists. (Think of existence in disarray, perversity within an abandoned universe, and a complete absence of hope. )

4) He skipped number 2 because he proudly boasts chaos.

5) He also proved to me that he knows my Christian Bible even better than I do.

I remember walking away from that interlude, as I witnessed a beating in a bar.

The vision and knowledge was the biggest blessing I ever received.
As such, rationalize religion all you want. Justify / counter it all you can. Thrive well and get your licks in, before it all rots away.

As for me, I've got a better place to be , just around the corner

Yikes . . . are you on heavy medication?

I think you missed the whole metaphor, which is surprising, since you articulate yourself as a bit of philosopher. But that I think of it, That night I had about 4 pitchers. The visions were unmistakable, a revelation if you will. And every bit of the list is true.

BTW, Nietzsche was deemed and certified a mad man when he wrote about Pity. I hope you also realize that he deeply inspired Adolph Hitler , and was in fact the great Grand Daddy on the concept of super human races, (which became paralleled and almost manifest by Hitlers' quest for supremacy AKA the Aryan race.) I would have to say, both Nietzsche and Hitler's ideas were far more lethal than any meds that you and I could ingest , combined.
Now please tell me that you really are NOT Ok with the decimation of 6 million Jewish lives, as you pontificate on old Frederick in your quotes.

No, of course not! Who in their right mind would condone such an atrocity as murdering millions . . . unless of course it was, ahem God's Will? Because that OT is full of death, wow!

The book from where I culled these statements are from his Anti-Christ and was written in 1888, it would another year or so before his mental breakdown.

I'll also point out the science of Cymatics where it is shown that Frequencies indeed do Create geometric patterns and thus meaning that the origin of our Universe (big bang) has these Principles in charge of Creating the material universe not some Intelligent Designer (aka god).

Everything organic in our universe is known to be a result of a mathematical Principle called the Golden Mean, Phi, and /or the Fibonacci Sequence.

The fabrication of god is an attempt at consoling the mind in all these matters and of course deeper more spiritual matters as well.

I Disagree... Nothing organic in this universe is known to be the result of anything mathematical, principle or otherwise. However, I will agree that everything organic can be expressed and explained mathematically.. (Big Difference) As for Fibonacci, the trouble with that theory is that each pattern is not repeatable...Infinite combinations (i.e no two snowflakes are alike .

Please show me how the class and species of a frog, remains constant in design, under the premise of your suggested sequence.

Well, frogs, as with any organic matter is always in a state of evolution, it may appear to us that they are the same as last years frog, but in fact they have genetically altered in some way, shape or form in order to survive in a dynamically changing environment.

Finally, how do you know whether or not Frequencies are the 'intelligent design' that casts an outcome called the material universe. (String Theory holds that the fabric of our universe is defined through vibration; All known frequencies are reliable and indisputable, therefore, all anomalies in the universe can be explained and repeated. If this is true, then random design, cannot exist. And If that is true, then the only remaining explanation is that the design of the universe is deliberate, suggesting intelligent, ordered design.) And as a bonus, what you call odds and probability, I might describe as 'margins of tolerance' for far reaching, expected outcomes.

I would say in keeping with the Principles I mentioned (Phi, etc.) that the objective universe / material universe is again, not stagnant, it and everything in it, is either spiraling upward or downward just like Pythagorean 5th's. This I can only assume is also the case of Frequencies and String Theory, but I am not an expert in Physics at all.


The fabrication of god/ or Devil is an attempt at consoling the mind in all these matters and of course deeper more spiritual matters as well.

Again, Sounds good until you actually read the label. You are making some assumptions: that a mind with conviction of faith, somehow qualifies for and needs consoling.
Faith requires no evidence, therefore no consoling is necessary.
If you need evidence, it means you have doubt. If you have doubt, it means you are likely to challenge a prevailing convention.

Thus, Can you dispute the logic of Descartes meditation about existence? (Albeit it its a dated philosophy). He does not console his own mind. He actually challenges his own conviction and is able to reconcile a fact out of it.

I see what you are saying, and can agree to an extent. Instead of a Satan / Devil, my Belief is rather in an Adversarial Principle, this Principle would in effect cast doubt, and challenge the Belief or in some cases the Faith of the person. This I see as a necessary 'evil' if you must coin a phrase.

The Devil made him say that.

PapaerDog - did you write this? This is awesome. I perceive that thou art a poet!

I Met the Devil once.. Face to Face. This I have Learned:

1) He'll laugh more at you than he ever will at me. (Because I still have something that he wants...)

3) He promised me there is no Hell-Fire and Brimstone. No pain as we know it. But He assured me that a real Hell exists. (Think of existence in disarray, perversity within an abandoned universe, and a complete absence of hope. )

4) He skipped number 2 because he proudly boasts chaos.

5) He also proved to me that he knows my Christian Bible even better than I do.

I remember walking away from that interlude, as I witnessed a beating in a bar.

The vision and knowledge was the biggest blessing I ever received.
As such, rationalize religion all you want. Justify / counter it all you can. Thrive well and get your licks in, before it all rots away.

As for me, I've got a better place to be , just around the corner