General Music Chat

a difference of opinion on say, tongues as a sign of the indwelling of the holy spirit is one thing, or maybe infant baptism....but a "command" that worship be voice only.
That goes from slight difference to departure from orthodoxy in my small opinion.

btw, how can it be that :
1) OT musical instrument worship is received/encouraged by God
2) NT worship is vox only
3) Heavenly worship will clearly be via musical instruments/voice

so...why the haitus in between
sense=0

oh, also I spose I could begin arguing about our very lives being an act of worship, poured out as a result of being bought at a price: and as such, if you're singing stuff that isn't, you're choosing to use that voice for something other than worship: which seems a double standard or sorts.
And not to mention the biblical teaching that "how can a fountain issue forth both good and bad water"

Sorry dude, but one could fire a veritable theological howitzer through that teaching.
It just doesn't make logical sense at all to me.

</rant>

ps. it's stuff like this the enemy uses to prevent some folks from even considering the claims of Christ(MHO)

pps. ok

"If the scriptures didn't say to do it we must not add it."

applied to it's logical extent...anything we use todat that the NT does not "authorize" would be banned from the worship service.
Can you see how crazy that reasoning would be?
Microphones, lecturns, overhead lights, collection plates, sound recorders,................

I dont remember seeing a commandment about music.

What was this thread about again??

It was on one of the tablets Moses threw at the rave party going on at the base of the mountain. It was commandment 11. Thou shalt not play music so loud that you feel as if an imaginary wind is blowing your hair up in the air and you hear phantom music weeks after the party ended.

Geez, I had to edit this, I typed now instead of not. Oh wait, Satan did it, he made me type now!!!!!

Chaeya

12th commandment:
Thou shalt play and LIKE the sound of the bagpipe
seriously, it's there look it up!

"Jai guru deva om"
It's meditation In the song Across the Universe when John is singing "ohmmmmm". I was told the vibrations you make when you create that particular sound are believed to be the sound of the Universe. Probably a lot of folks have enjoyed the song and not realized what he is actually saying. Or doing.
Those Beatles were some devilish folks

OM / AUM! the Divine Utterance! Metaphorical of the Universe as Sound/Divine Sound, Nada Brahma in Hindu texts.

It has been called the Word in the Judeo-Christian Bible, Persian scriptures Sraosha, Kalma in Muslim scriptures, ‘the Sonorous Light' in Buddhism, Naam or Shabd by the Sikhs, in Patanjali Yoga Darshan, the Goddess Ishwara is a Being expressed by this original vibration (Pranav) and Madam Helen Blavatsky and the Theosophists call it ‘the Voice of Silence'.

Those references have nothing to do with Christianity. Kinda like reading a Kubota manual to repair a Kenworth. Worthless.

See where I said

"It has been called the Word in the Judeo-Christian Bible" ?

Judeo- Christian Bible- Then the New Testament. Which is where I read Proverbs 1:7 that says "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge. Stubborn fools despise wisdom and discipline.

Judeo- Christian Bible- Then the New Testament. Which is where I read Proverbs 1:7 that says "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge. Stubborn fools despise wisdom and discipline.

What a load, you can't possibly believe that?
Building a religion based on fear & guilt is despicable.

Frederick Nietzsche:

Under Christianity neither morality nor religion has any point of contact with actuality. It offers purely imaginary causes ("God" "soul," "ego," "spirit," "free will"--or even "unfree"), and purely imaginary effects ("sin" "salvation" "grace," "punishment," forgiveness of sins"). Intercourse between imaginarybeings ("God," "spirits," "souls"); an imaginarynatural history (anthropocentric; a total denial of the concept of natural causes); an imaginary psychology (misunderstandings of self, misinterpretations of agreeable or disagreeable general feelings--for example, of the states of the nervus sympathicus with the help of the sign-language of religio-ethical balderdash--, "repentance," "pangs of conscience," "temptation by the devil," "the presence of God"); an imaginaryteleology (the "kingdom of God," "the last judgment," "eternal life").

With all the wealth of books you have read, if you have a bible you can read for yourself Psalms 35. Shouldn't matter to you what I believe. It doesn't matter to me what Frederick Nietsche wrote.

LOL, I dont understand the debate, Ive done a couple of Christian CDs, Ive also done other things, I guess my song on here The Day That Jesus Died is bad cause its basically hard rock!

I think its all in the heart of the person writing or recording the music, not the style. I dont think you could claim songs in a heavy vein that glorify something other than God as being Christian, but if the intent is to glorify God then all is good.

Just my 2 cents which dont mean much these days!

It's more than two cents it is two cd's that glorify God what I gather, and that can't be a bad thing. Make a joyful noise. I think you are understanding. Rock On!

Crunchy Ive never mixed and matched them so to speak they are seperate things. This all comes down to how someone feels spiritually. The bible was written by man not God himself, which tends to leave things open to interpretation in my mind, then if the God I believe in is the only God, then three quarters of the earths populations is excluded, not to mention there is no real proof scientifically of Gods presence.

I just think if you approach the world with Love and try to treat others as you would want to be treated then things are grand, but sadly a lot of people want to disrepect others in the name of thier beliefs, I just dont think God, Buddah, Allah or whoever looks at it this way.

Ive played for churchs Ive played in bars, dont know where that puts me on the righteous scale and quite honestly dont care what others think of that, there are far to many other problems going on than for me to debate this mess, cause there is no right ot wrong answer. Its just your personal point of view. Duh cant believe I even commented on this thread.

Onward Christian Soldiers!

Crunchy Ive never mixed and matched them so to speak they are seperate things. This all comes down to how someone feels spiritually. The bible was written by man not God himself, which tends to leave things open to interpretation in my mind, then if the God I believe in is the only God, then three quarters of the earths populations is excluded, not to mention there is no real proof scientifically of Gods presence.

I just think if you approach the world with Love and try to treat others as you would want to be treated then things are grand, but sadly a lot of people want to disrepect others in the name of thier beliefs, I just dont think God, Buddah, Allah or whoever looks at it this way.

Ive played for churchs Ive played in bars, dont know where that puts me on the righteous scale and quite honestly dont care what others think of that, there are far to many other problems going on than for me to debate this mess, cause there is no right ot wrong answer. Its just your personal point of view. Duh cant believe I even commented on this thread.

I believe you have hit the proverbial 'nail' on the head.

See, it IS all intention, which defines musical content to be beneficial or maleficent, but what many Christians believe, is that 'their' way is the only way and that if you are not following it then you are against them and their god . . . go ahead and read Psalm 35, it's the 'US' against 'THEM' mentality . . . this is not a good thing in my opinion, it does not harmonize Man but separated them and ultimately weakens them as spiritually evolving beings.

** of course I'm not talking about anyone here

Not to sound bloody obvious but.

There is only one way.

JESUS!


People can disagree all they want.

They will only be wrong to their own damnation ... not mine.

I'm just sowing seed ... I am not responsible for the harvest.

Not to sound bloody obvious but.

There is only one way.

JESUS!


People can disagree all they want.

They will only be wrong to their own damnation ... not mine.

I'm just sowing seed ... I am not responsible for the harvest.

Can you in some way give evidence to this? Or at the very least try to explain yourself.