General Music Chat

Glen, you're such an anarchist. Ha ha. Just pick and choose the rules you want to follow and skip the rest.

As Barbossa said in POTC, "The Code is more like guidelines."

Ha ha.

Chaeya

...we have the ability to think things through...

Yes, we do have the ability, but that ability is limited, and certainly not developed enough to be able to predict all of the consequences for everything we do. That, I think, is where we most often fail.

We fail to admit we really DON'T know what will happen from every action we take. We fail to admit that we can't know.

No, not all the time, but often enough to have screwed things up royally.

That's because we learn more from our failures than our successes. Part of the reason why I've gotten so good at business and marketing is because I've screwed up so much. Gotta look at the positive.

Chaeya

Glen, you're such an anarchist. Ha ha. Just pick and choose the rules you want to follow and skip the rest.

As Barbossa said in POTC, "The Code is more like guidelines."

Ha ha.

Chaeya

No I'm not, I'm just a sexy guy just like President Clinton, Only diff is he played sax.

Rules, Rules, aren't you getting a little hung up on rules? Hell half of them aren't mine and the other half, nobody pays attention to any way.

Mike9699 - Okay, I've answered your questions. I have a few of my own.

Should there be accountability for a president that brings us to war, when his reasons for doing so don't add up?

Should we pay MORE for private contractors in a war-time situation than we would for our own armed forces personnel?

Should corporations be allowed to donate to the campaigns of our gov't officials?

Should any news program be allowed to lie & call it "news?"

Should a co that has been bailed out by the American taxpayers be allowed to invest & to grow by expanding its manufacturing overseas, while cutting American jobs?

Should a company be allowed to sell potentially dangerous products to our ppl without being heavily fined &/or paying damages to those it hurt, when those products prove to be harmful or even fatal?

Should a company that has a virtual monopoly in any given area be allowed to charge whatever it pleases for a service or a product, no matter how necessary that service or product may be for the good of the ppl, or should there be a cap placed on what they can charge?

Should a co be given the same rights as a person?

Should a co's personnel be held criminally accountable when they perform criminal acts against the citizens of the USA?

The answers to these questions seem quite obvious to me, yet our leaders continually allow these & other actions to continue, to the detriment of our ppl.

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO.... except for the accountability thing. That's a DAMN RIGHT!

I've got to give it to Bill, he was sexy and I thought there was nothing better than a pres getting blown in the oval office. How could you impeach somebody for that?

The funny thing that tickled me was when people said "yeah but he lied under oath."

No he didn't, it's just a question of if you consider blow jobs sex. I consider them foreplay.

Chaeya

Haven't been following this, but even a liberal like me knows Nader is a whacko.

LOL

Couldn't agree more.

Mike9699 - Okay, I've answered your questions. I have a few of my own.

Philby, These types of debates or arguments never go anywhere. They won't change your way of thinking and they won't change mine. Unlike some people here I have better things to do than spend my time racking up hundreds of posts about silly crap like politics on a site that is supposed to be about music. You did answer mine so I will return the courtesy.

Should there be accountability for a president that brings us to war, when his reasons for doing so don't add up?

Yes and Obama will most likely be punished for it!

Should we pay MORE for private contractors in a war-time situation than we would for our own armed forces personnel?

No!


Should corporations be allowed to donate to the campaigns of our gov't officials?

No and the unions shouldn't be able to either!

Should any news program be allowed to lie & call it "news?"

No and Congress is defunding one of them as we speak!

Should a co that has been bailed out by the American taxpayers be allowed to invest & to grow by expanding its manufacturing overseas, while cutting American jobs?

No!

Should a company be allowed to sell potentially dangerous products to our ppl without being heavily fined &/or paying damages to those it hurt, when those products prove to be harmful or even fatal?

No!

Should a company that has a virtual monopoly in any given area be allowed to charge whatever it pleases for a service or a product, no matter how necessary that service or product may be for the good of the ppl, or should there be a cap placed on what they can charge?

No!

Should a co be given the same rights as a person?

Not sure what that means?

Should a co's personnel be held criminally accountable when they perform criminal acts against the citizens of the USA?

Yes! What type of punishment? If the liberal judges across the nation are are giving child molesters free rides what type of punishment do we give these exec's? Take away their credit cards?

Yes and Obama will most likely be punished for it!

We're not at war in Libya. This is a limited scope action, and as the leader of the armed forces well within his rights to pursue.

We're not at war in Libya? Oh really? You attack a country that is no threat to us at this time by air and by sea knocking out it's military defenses and killing their soldiers and that's not war? Silly me, and I've been blaming the Japanese for starting a war with us just because they knocked out Pearl Harbor.

This is a limited scope action, and as the leader of the armed forces well within his rights to pursue.

According to who, You? You already know what the scope of this is going to be? Even Democrats are saying what he did was unconstitutional.

Article II, Section II of the U.S. Constitution identifies the U.S. president as the commander-in-chief and the civilian oversight of the U.S. military. But the clause gives the U.S. president no authority to use military might to enforce his political will upon foreign nations.


Article I, Section VIII of the U.S. Constitution bestows the power to declare war solely on the U.S. Congress. It requires both the commander-in-chief and Congress to commit U.S. troops to combat, without which any deployment of troops is wholly unconstitutional.


The 1973 War Powers Act was put in place to prevent a U.S. president from doing exactly what Barack Obama just did.

Yes and Obama will most likely be punished for it!

We're not at war in Libya. This is a limited scope action, and as the leader of the armed forces well within his rights to pursue.

Sounds like Vietnam's excuse. "It isn't a war. It's a police action."

Only Congress can declare war, true. Congress hasn't so we're not. See how that works?

Jimmy, did you know that Obama was against the limited scope action authority that you just posted. He thought even that was to much authority for the president to have and set up a commission to change it. His commission wanted to replace that little ditty. In its place, the commission proposes a law requiring a president to consult lawmakers before any “significant military action” and calling on Congress to vote up or down within 30 days.

Once again Obama says one thing when it comes to getting elected but does just the opposite once he's in.

As part of a multi-nation coalition that unanimously voted to authorize military action we are acting within our rights. We didn't just start bombing them without provocation, we waited until the UN sanctioned the action.

Mike9699 - Okay, I've answered your questions. I have a few of my own.

Philby, These types of debates or arguments never go anywhere. They won't change your way of thinking and they won't change mine. Unlike some people here I have better things to do than spend my time racking up hundreds of posts about silly crap like politics on a site that is supposed to be about music. You did answer mine so I will return the courtesy.

Should there be accountability for a president that brings us to war, when his reasons for doing so don't add up?

Yes and Obama will most likely be punished for it!

Should we pay MORE for private contractors in a war-time situation than we would for our own armed forces personnel?

No!


Should corporations be allowed to donate to the campaigns of our gov't officials?

No and the unions shouldn't be able to either!

Should any news program be allowed to lie & call it "news?"

No and Congress is defunding one of them as we speak!

Should a co that has been bailed out by the American taxpayers be allowed to invest & to grow by expanding its manufacturing overseas, while cutting American jobs?

No!

Should a company be allowed to sell potentially dangerous products to our ppl without being heavily fined &/or paying damages to those it hurt, when those products prove to be harmful or even fatal?

No!

Should a company that has a virtual monopoly in any given area be allowed to charge whatever it pleases for a service or a product, no matter how necessary that service or product may be for the good of the ppl, or should there be a cap placed on what they can charge?

No!

Should a co be given the same rights as a person?

Not sure what that means?

Should a co's personnel be held criminally accountable when they perform criminal acts against the citizens of the USA?

Yes! What type of punishment? If the liberal judges across the nation are are giving child molesters free rides what type of punishment do we give these exec's? Take away their credit cards?

I see that we're in agreement on nearly everything we've discussed, Mike...even to the point that unions shouldn't be able to donate to campaigns.

Obama's actions in Libya ARE questionable. See this:
http://www.boingboing.net/2011/03/21/am ... -inte.html

As for what kind of punishment the corp officials should reveive, I'd say that it should be, at the very least, equal in measure & affect to any private citizen whose actions cause harm to others. However, Monsanto is requiring anyone who buys their newer products to sign a waiver, releasing them from any & all liability from the hazards & damages their products may cause. I'm not sure how that would stand up in court, but from the actions of our courts concerning this & other corp entities, I fear that it may stand very well on its own questionable merits.

These are not "liberal" or "conservative" problems, though, Mike. I would hope that you could see that the actions of BOTH parties have far removed themselves from the interest of the American ppl, & concentrated on the interest of the few. The only real difference is which few their interests lie with. The corruption of our gov't is of prime concern for me & mine.

The news that we receive is ALL, save for NPR & their ilk, funded by, & slanted for, corp interests. I welcome the balance that NPR provides, to a degree. Honestly, I'm finding it harder by the day to accept ANYTHING I hear or read at all, unless it's about Charlie Sheen...& even that is questionable...