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You Liberals live in La-La Land. Your philosophy is that nobody should be accountable for their own actions. To lazy to work? no problem, the people that do work hard will be your drones and take care of your every need. Can't keep your legs shut or your pecker in your pocket? No problem, murdering and innocent life is now the new form of birth control so there is no need and the hard workers or drones will pay for that also. The guy that raped and murdered the two children next door? Well, he was abused as a child so it's really not his fault so instead of killing the dog lets take care of him. Oh, once again the hard working people or drones will pay for that once again. The list could go on and on. It's kind of funny that Obama came into office with these great liberal ideas but got a quick reality check. Did he bring the troops home as promised? No he sent more troops! Not only that but just started his own war with Libya. Did he shut down Guantanamo? No! He just signed a new order keeping it open indefinitely. Did he reform health care costs? No! It's now even more expensive and they are giving out waivers like candy. These dreams of some liberal utopia where everyone is taken care of is idiotic at best.

My philosophy said nothing of a kind and that prattle above doesn't make any damn sense and you obviously didn't read all of what or wrote or understood it. Reading comprehension is a beautiful thing when people get with the program. In my utopia, people would work because they'd be inspired to, and if you could read beyond a 4th grade level you would have got that. Now go give your mom back her computer and let grown ups talk. Got your measly little 8 posts here . . .

Chaeya

Let me explain it simply so your simple little mind can understand it your highness. I was talking about reality not dreams.

"In my utopia, people would work because they'd be inspired to"

So what will you do with those who aren't so inspired? and how will you inspire them?

You Liberals live in La-La Land. Your philosophy is that nobody should be accountable for their own actions. To lazy to work? no problem, the people that do work hard will be your drones and take care of your every need. Can't keep your legs shut or your pecker in your pocket? No problem, murdering and innocent life is now the new form of birth control so there is no need and the hard workers or drones will pay for that also. The guy that raped and murdered the two children next door? Well, he was abused as a child so it's really not his fault so instead of killing the dog lets take care of him. Oh, once again the hard working people or drones will pay for that once again. The list could go on and on. It's kind of funny that Obama came into office with these great liberal ideas but got a quick reality check. Did he bring the troops home as promised? No he sent more troops! Not only that but just started his own war with Libya. Did he shut down Guantanamo? No! He just signed a new order keeping it open indefinitely. Did he reform health care costs? No! It's now even more expensive and they are giving out waivers like candy. These dreams of some liberal utopia where everyone is taken care of is idiotic at best.

I'm sorry, but this one really gave me the girlish giggles,man.

No accountability in the liberal mind, eh? Well...let us look at what the modern "conservative" mind has given us - they're removing all regulations on electric co's across the country, so they can charge ppl random costs, claiming they need more profits, while the poor & elderly nave no way of knowing why their rates are on a rollercoaster - gas co's are free to gouge the public 4 times a year - a single corp's need for bigger profits have forced us to use corn-based alcohol mixed in our gas, though it's proven that it's more costly, & less efficient to use - General Motors got a huge bailout, the top-most echelon of te co still got great bonuses, yet they are investing their new-found profits in other countries, NOT the one whose tax-payers bailed them out - our two largest military actions are costing the tax-payers 3 times as much as they should be, in personnel, thanks to the privatization of our military - our prisons are full of non-violent offenders who have done no wrong to anyone but themselves, while tax-payers pay for private prisons - the previous administration was appointed by the Supreme Court, in its first term, rather than going by the popular OR the electoral vote - banks are adding more & more fees, yet providing fewer & fewer services, while their top ppl get record bonuses at the cost of the consumer, & there are no alternatives to these institutions - the list goes on, but there doesn't seem to be any "accountability" for these & other actions.

Who's living in la-la-land, again?

Those are not conservatives Phil, those are thieves.

And there are plenty of them to go around on all points of the political spectrum.

Let me explain it simply so your simple little mind can understand it your highness. I was talking about reality not dreams.

"In my utopia, people would work because they'd be inspired to"

So what will you do with those who aren't so inspired? and how will you inspire them?

You need to go back and read what I wrote - in the indigenous cultures everyone works for the good of the tribe. You don't need to inspire people, it's already in the consciousness of the people. I was merely sharing my dream of what I thought and you had to stick your little nose in and mix up what I was saying with general politics and Obama and what's going on in Libya which was so far off point, I think you're just poking a fight so like I said, if you go back and read and understand, you wouldn't need to ask me stupid questions leading to a big long discussion on the World According to Chaeya.

I know what reality is, I work in it every day, I just paid my reality taxes for the year, and tomorrow I will get up and go to my reality job. But I can say I don't like the system as it is and if you saw point blank that I agreed, I would never probably see the rise in consciousness in my lifetime.

Dig it guy, there are communities out there right now where people live away from all this bullshit going on. They all look out for one another, they live in a barter environment, they share what they have with each other. It's happening but you won't hear about them because they keep to themselves, the world doesn't intrude upon them. They have jobs in the regular world, they aren't on government assistance or anything. Why is it in every argument, anything regarding a rise in consciousness or doing something different = lazy people sitting around doing nothing. It's ridiculous. I work, I always have.

I did a week-long drumming and dance camp in Hawaii and it was really great to be around high conscious individuals. We all had fun, there were people who constructed tents for one another, the people who organized everything, the people who cooked the food, the people who shared with the clean up. It was the best week of my life where everybody got along, everybody helped out, We all got up and meditated in the morning, we all ate meals together, at night ate and shared stories. So it wasn't a measure of "inspiring" people, we were already inspired.

You can pick apart what I wrote all you want, but it's something that starts to happen slowly, even now the consciousness of the people is beginning to raise. If the conservatives AND the liberals could stop the riff between each other, they could come together and work towards creating something greater, but as long as people continue keeping us divided, then nothing will be accomplished but insults.

So there you have it.

Chaeya

Sorry philby, but you and Madam Butterfly only responded to the La-La land comment and not what I said about the ills of our country and why we have them. What you posted had nothing to do with it and all you did was change the subject to what non liberals have done. We can surely go back and forth with well look what you did crap, no look what you did but that will go nowhere. This country is crumbling and no one on either side has a solution so far.

Chaeya, for one thing my post was not directed at you or anything you personally posted so get off your box. It was directed at Mike Nobody and his recent multiple spamming of this music site with his cut and paste liberal rhetoric. Oh and by the way I was a member of this site long before you and just rejoined.

How am I supposed to know it's not directed at me when it came just after my post about my utopian philosophy? You people here love posting stuff right after my post then going, oh I wasn't talking to you.

And why did you quit anyway, that's no excuse, you shouldn't have quit. You're just as good as being new.

My husband says you shouldn't argue with me because you won't win, he knows.

Chaeya

Sorry philby, but you and Madam Butterfly only responded to the La-La land comment and not what I said about the ills of our country and why we have them. What you posted had nothing to do with it and all you did was change the subject to what non liberals have done. We can surely go back and forth with well look what you did crap, no look what you did but that will go nowhere. This country is crumbling and no one on either side has a solution so far.

It's crumbling because the people are too busy dividing themselves and making up new stupid parties to belong to with such generalized aims that no one has the first clue as to what they'd do with any power if they got it. The politians are too busy caring about being the world's godfather rather than take care of it's own house. It all reminds me when Cromwell took out Charles I, and nobody could agree on how to run Parliament forcing Charles II to come back and take over and everything went back to the way it was.

Chaeya

"My husband says you shouldn't argue with me because you won't win, he knows"

Hmmmm, sounds like a whoooped man to me.

Arguing is healthy and stimulates the mind and I'm more than happy to do it.

I was poking fun at this because it seems every one misses the point Chaeya brought up. To put it in different words, this is all about power, this is all about control of an individuals power of choice, by another person.

Progressives want to make sure everyone has enough. Very noble.
Conservatives want to protect the unborn. Very noble.

The problem with both sides of any of this discussion is another man or woman taking control of another persons life.

Even today we got our country involved in another mans business. LIBYA is not the home of a saint, but we pulled the trigger anyway.I am not going to point any fingers or even say it's right or wrong.

This has become so interesting, one of the reasons why this site is so good, because so many folks offer so many valid points of view.

You can control another person with chains, or economic conditions, or with a war machine.

This will never be about creating a perfect society as long as one person wants control over another.

Glen.

What do you mean he's whooped, you chauvinist. So you're saying that if a man says that they can't argue with me, you're basically feeding into the belief that women are lesser than men, is that what you're saying?

In fact, my old man says I can't talk politics anymore today and says I need to be focusing on more positive things and he's right.

I'm done.

Chaeya

See, there you go again. It doesn't have anything to do with me being a chauvinist. It's just that you aren't very good at arguing so he must let you win all the time. You and Philby couldn't dispute anything I said in my original post. You did focus on the La-La Land comment but were unable to tell me how you would achieve this Utopia except by saying you would inspire people to work which almost resulted in my soft drink exploding out through my nostrils from the laughter. I really don't see any argument here.

What do you mean he's whooped, you chauvinist. So you're saying that if a man says that they can't argue with me, you're basically feeding into the belief that women are lesser than men, is that what you're saying?

In fact, my old man says I can't talk politics anymore today and says I need to be focusing on more positive things and he's right.

I'm done.

Chaeya

I like that. It is a very good thing when your partner can draw a line without attack and leave enough space to allow room to let the heat dissipate with out damage to the relationship. Cisco must be quite a guy.

I can guarantee it it takes a man to put up with a woman like you,,, want to meet my wife.

GlenJ, So what would you do with the people who can't control themselves? If more people controlled themselves we wouldn't have the problems we have now. It's because people can't control themselves that some feel the need to control while others want to excuse it by giving them a free pass with no control. It comes back around to holding people responsible for their actions. Why should I or anyone pay for those that refuse to control themselves. You can't have a world without constraint or control in some form where there is no morals no laws where people can do whatever they want.