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Tea Party Republicans love idea of IRS abortion audits
by Joan McCarter for Daily Kos

Ah, irony.

Don't tread on me? Get government out of my private life? No new taxes? The Tea Party mantra, right? In the event that you were still under the impression that the Tea Party was a truly populist movement fighting for smaller government, you can forget that. They're the same old culture warriors we've always seen on the far right.
Earlier I wrote about the tax provisions of H.R. 3, the "No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act." Should it become law, the Joint Tax Committee's chief of staff told lawmakers, IRS agents conducting audits on women would have to figure out if they had ever used any tax credit or benefit to pay for an abortion.

And if a woman had used any kind of tax benefit or credit to pay for an abortion, she would have to provide documentation that she was the victim of rape or incest, or that the termination was necessary to save her life. Keep those receipts and police reports, girls! As Lindsay Beyerstein writes at TAPPED, "Imagine if every angry boyfriend could call up the IRS tip line and get his girlfriend audited over an abortion."

But here, also from Lindsay, is where the teahadists come in.

The H.R. 3 has 221 co-sponsors, of whom 211 are Republicans. The Republicans hold 241 seats in Congress.
Of the 56 official members of the House Tea Party Caucus, 55 are co-sponsors of H.R. 3. That's right, 98 percent of House Tea Party Caucus members are not just supporting but co-sponsoring a bill that would empower the IRS to audit the uteruses of the nation. Only 87 percent of all Republican House members co-sponsored the bill.

This is the face of libertarianism in America?

It's none of my business. I am not a woman, I will never know the stress.

When anyone brings up such a deep question and starts to niggle it to death I have to ask what else do you want to control? The amount of ejaculate? The amount of joy from orgasm? Freedom of speech? The right to travel?

WHERE does it stop. Mike, since you think you are so good at this,,,
YOU PLAY HITLER.Stallin , Mao , Castro, Polpot, Jim Jones,,,,

Remember,,, DRINK THE KOOLAIDE!

In New York City last year over 60% of African American women's pregnancies ended in abortion-60%. 40% of Hispanic women's pregnancies ended in abortion. Since Roe v. Wade there's been well over 50 million abortions in the United States. The estimate of all the deaths in WWII was about 50 million killed. Many abortions are funded by federal tax dollars. Abortion = genocide. over 50 millions worth. Why on Earth should American taxpayers, many of whom disapprove of abortion, have to pay for it? While I believe abortion should be legal I don't believe people who use abortion as a form of contraception should be FUNDED BY ANYBODY ELSE BUT THEMSELVES. PERIOD. If you're careless with your sexual behavior I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO FUND YOU'RE BEING BAILED OUT OF YOUR UNWANTED PREGNANCY. PERIOD.

I am pro choice on this issue

The choice was made at conception. After that it is taking away the right of the baby to live.

I do make exceptions for rape, incest etc etc

But seriously. the choice to have sex is the one the woman has. After that it is borderline murder up to about 9 weeks then it is murder.

Many abortions are funded by federal tax dollars. Abortion = genocide. over 50 millions worth. Why on Earth should American taxpayers, many of whom disapprove of abortion, have to pay for it?

No easy answers here, at the risk of sounding cold it needs to be asked… if these 50 million were allowed to be born would they have grown up to be productive members of society or would these babies be a burden to tax payers for the rest of their lives?

From economic point of view abortion is the cheapest way out, morally? Well the country is still debating on that.

Many abortions are funded by federal tax dollars. Abortion = genocide. over 50 millions worth. Why on Earth should American taxpayers, many of whom disapprove of abortion, have to pay for it?

No easy answers here, at the risk of sounding cold it needs to be asked… if these 50 million were allowed to be born would they have grown up to be productive members of society or would these babies be a burden to tax payers for the rest of their lives?

From economic point of view abortion is the cheapest way out, morally? Well the country is still debating on that.

So it's perfectly okay to have an abortion to eliminate a "tax payer burden." I wouldn't classify ANY human being a "tax payer burden." I believe the vast majority of people end up being productive members of society. If it's okay to eliminate a "tax payer burden" fetus why not eliminate people who are "tax payer burdens." Let's go into the prisons and execute every prisoner since they are all "tax payer burdons." Let's eliminate my son, who is autisitc, because taxpayers are paying thousands of dollars a month to keep him alive. He IS a huge burdon on this country just as millions of other autistic "tax payer burdons" are. Let's eliminate ALL of them, right? Forget about the people who are not "tax payer burdons" who happen to love them. Let's also forget about the many MILLIONS of people who are not "tax payer burdons" who want to nurture and love the unborn "tax payer burdons." See, it's when people start classifying the unborn as a "tax payer burdon" that we have lost all hope in the argument against abortion...Forget about whether the unborn are classified as human beings or not with rights, when the unborn are completely categorized as "tax payer burdons" then any kind of rights they may have become a moot subject...

Many abortions are funded by federal tax dollars. Abortion = genocide. over 50 millions worth. Why on Earth should American taxpayers, many of whom disapprove of abortion, have to pay for it?

No easy answers here, at the risk of sounding cold it needs to be asked… if these 50 million were allowed to be born would they have grown up to be productive members of society or would these babies be a burden to tax payers for the rest of their lives?

From economic point of view abortion is the cheapest way out, morally? Well the country is still debating on that.

The answer is pretty easy, actually. A fetus is not a person, any more than my fingernail is me. Granted, any reasonable person would expect that only a brief window of time is available to a pregnant woman before the fetus develops significant brain activity.

Pro-lifers would do anything to save the unborn. But, once you're born, you're on your own. Seriously, there's too many people on this planet as it is, and they want MORE? I don't think they'd be happy until a Soylent Green type scenario happened.


GAW: Soylent Green by Giant Ideas, on Flickr

Again it's YOUR opinion that a fetus is not a person. I could argue until I'm blue in the face but you're not going to change your opinion. It is your right to have that opinion. It is also the right of a woman to have an abortion. I'm glad that women have that right. I'm not glad that 60% of African American women in New York City choose to have abortions. There IS too many pregnancies that could easily be prevented. Contraception and abstinancy would go a long way to curb the huge number of abortions. As far as there being too many people on the Earth, well we are perhaps finding out that is correct. We are not unlike lemmings, when they become overpopulated they run off the nearest cliff. Abortion, war, natural disasters, famine, disease, are all kind of like the cliff is to the lemmings. I don't think men however should ever have the right to choose who dies and who lives. Abortion is a choice that de facto cuts short a potential human life. When men choose who dies we are acting like God (if you believe in God). I would rather see people develop a sense of responsibility when it comes to sexual behavior. Like I said in my previous post, the vast majority of people are good. At this time we need to have a stronger ability to control our own population, and screwing everything that walks isn't the most responsible thing to do...

Oh man unwillingly I got Bob POed. let explain: No Bob I did not classify a fetus a tax burden I simply pose the question…if society knew that an unborn fetus would end up being a burden to tax payer what would the people chose abortion or let that fetus be born? I did not answer that question in my post I nearly suggested that if the decision was to be made solely based on economics (and I’m not advocating that) the choice would be clear, but like you said some of these babies might grow up to be an asset to society.

As for incarcerated people or people with physical or mental disorders there is no decision to be made regarding them, they are human beings already in existence and I have no problem if some of my tax dollars go toward assisting those who need assistance or toward the prison system to keep the dangerous elements locked up.

The scenario outlined in your post will never happen, no civilized society is going to balance the national budget by eliminating what some screwball would consider an economic burden to the country or for any other reasons for that matter, Hitler tried that and he was a maniac Pol Pot (spelling?) the psychopath in Cambodia tried the same thing as well and they went down in history as barbaric leaders as they should have.

I know you gave those examples to make a point but Americans will never be faced with a decision to eliminate humans already in existence based solely on economics regardless of the cost at least I hope not coz if we are called upon to decide that we’d be in trouble as a country, fetus/abortion question however is no answerable IMO as easily as people already living, for some a fetus is an already formed human being, for some others a fetus by itself is just that a fetus that cannot survive outside the mother’s womb… who’s right? Frankly I don’t know and after decades of hearing about abortion I don’t care.

Mike - you were a fetus. You are alive because you were NOT aborted. Were you not you until you sucked your first oxygen?

It's murder plain and simple.

And you might notice that the lying swine politicians who say you can't legislate morality have their jack booted thugs in SWAT costumes kicking down people's doors and confiscating their property over a harmless weed. Appears you can legislate morality if there is a profit for the state.

And there is with abortion. Planned Parenthood is one of the biggest supporters of scum politicians. That is why this abomination is legal. These fine dedicated folks who only care about the children. (if they let them live)

Oh well - if abortion keeps up we won't have to worry about racial harmony any more. There will only be one race and that was Margaret Sanger's goal (she founded planned parenthood) from the very begininng.

Talbot

Those who believe in God do have an opinion, even though it did not originate within our own knowledge.
So that puts into question, where did you receive your knowledge on the matter? Just food for thought.
I realize that some feel man is God within himself, others feel God has no opinion on the matter, others rely on their own judgment, and some even believe in corporate salvation and wisdom of the masses.
I do not have to ponder the dynamics of the morality of abortion, someone else has done that for me. I believe in an all powerful God, therefore, I also take to heart this scripture.

Jer 1:5 Before you were formed in the body of your mother I had knowledge of you, and before your birth I made you holy; I have given you the work of being a prophet to the nations.

Like I said before, I'm glad abortion IS legal. If a woman is so desperate to end her pregnancy then abortion is the answer. A fetus is NOT a fingernail however. It CAN develop into a human if nurtured. Using abortion as contraception MUST stop and that is something our society needs to take a serious look at. It's a complicated issue that involves RAISING CHILDREN TO ACT RESPONSIBLY AND STOP SCREWING EVERYTHING THAT MOVES...