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What drugs are doing ? Must be aspirin , right scratchy, Making you hallucinate and get some ringing in the ears.

You pretty funny Scratchy,,,

What drugs are doing ? Must be aspirin , right scratchy, Making you hallucinate and get some ringing in the ears.

You pretty funny Scratchy,,,

And all this time I thought you were ignoring me......

http://filterednews.wordpress.com/2011/ ... ov-walker/

"Walker: Public employees are more richly compensated than their public sector counterparts.

"The truth: According to the Economic Policy Institute, wages and salaries of state and local employees are lower than those for private sector employees with comparable earnings determinants such as education and work experience. State workers typically are under-compensated by 8.2% in Wisconsin."

another excerpt:

"Walker: “I don’t have anything to negotiate. We are broke in this state. We have been broke for years.” and “We’re broke. We don’t have any more money.”

"The truth: The NY Times says “It’s all obfuscating nonsense, of course, a scare tactic employed for political ends.” Even the hyper-conservative Wall Street Journal calls out Walker on this lie. The notion that the state needs to refinance the debt because it’s broke and can’t make its debt payments is “completely wrong,” said Frank Hoadley, the state finance director. Joshua Zeitz, municipal finance analyst for MF Global, said, the shortfall — about 0.5% of the state’s overall budget — is a fairly inconsequential amount. “It’s becoming increasingly clear that this is a question more of politics than it is of a budget crisis,” Zeitz added. ”There’s a good amount of political theater in what you’re seeing,” said Tom Kozlik, municipal credit analyst at Janney Montgomery Scott.

"If Walker were truly serious about balancing the budget, he would not be proposing a $36 million cut in the state’s capital gains tax or a $46 million corporate tax cut, on top of the millions of dollars in tax cuts he and the Republican legislature have already approved. Walker could balance his current budget by ending a variety of special interest tax dodging that is occurring in his state."


Check it out.

Phil I wouldn't trust the NY times if they posted my face on the front cover saying I was the prettiest stud alive.

Who cares about WI , they can all move to Cuba. Half their elected officials have fled there anyway. I live in NY and have to pay taxes into a union called the MTA. This union has become so powerful that they are taking food right off the plates of our poorest. The buses are not going to be running because these union people don't give a damn about any one but themselves.

I really don't give a damn about any union sucking leaches looking to grow wealthy on the backs of people that are struggling to put food on the table and heat their homes. The battle cry keeps going up to tax the rich, Go ahead take it, steal it, and when GOVERNMENT UNION AMERICA realizes the well is dry, it will only leave the POOR to tax to death.

The METROPOLITAN TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY is a Perfect example of government unions gone wild. Please do some research.

Just a side note. Federal employees have no collective bargaining "RIGHTS" Unions were created to protect people in the private sector.

Business has FLED WI because the public unions have demanded so much that it is no longer profitable. NOW THE POOR MUST PAY!

SO SKEWED Tax the rich out of business and all the poor people end up paying for it. The NY TIMES has the balls to print that sort of bird cage liner.

Sorry, Glen, but your views are skewed by the popular propaganda.

If it weren't for those unions you hate so much, we'd have been in these straits for the last 100 years.

Average ppl - you know, the middle class that was created by those unions - need adequate compensation in order to be able to live the lives they work so hard for. Yes, the system is not perfect, but the BALANCE between the greedy unions & the greedy corporations is the only thing that made jobs tolerable for the last 100 years. As we remove them, wages go down for everyone except the top-most tier, which is exactly what Reagan & his ilk stuck us with, & they've become extremely powerful in the last 30 years, to the detriment of the middle class, the poor, & our very country, as they continue to invest overseas, & strip us of our ability to succeed.

That American dream that you're so fond of? It's being erased by the very folk that YOU seem to want to protect, & I'm sorry that you cannot see it.

Phil, I can point to thousands of middle class people who are where they are without a single union. Several hundred are in my family. The usefulness of unions expired years ago and the union bosses have become obsolete parasites on the populace and thier own members.

With a few exceptions.

Carpenter's union, actually produce carpenters. If they would pull out of politics and focus on that, they would once again be legit. As it stands, they try to intimidate people here into hiring contractors they support. They pay people to picket and protest companies that go with a lower bid... 3 of my direct customers have fallen victim to this. The only thing the signs say is "Shame on _____ (Business Name here)" and Labor Dispute. Nothing on the signs say they were out bid. Just calling them out.

The electrical do the same here.

In fact until the trade focus on the trades, and get out of politics, they are pointless parasites.

Police unions are needed.
Fire unions are needed.

That is it. Until people who do stupid things stop suing for frivilous reasons, there is a need for the police to have someone on thier side. As long as they stay out of politics.

The only thing a union ever did for me was slow me down, get in my way and enforce mediocre work in the name of not making a co worker look bad. All of this is direct experience, not propaganda.

Well, BB, I've found that one cannot depend upon corp's to treat their workers in a manner that could in any way be construed as fair. Often, the mgmt has it worse than the hourly associates, which pretty well proves my point, as they cannot have adequate representation.

The bigger the corp, the worse the worker's plight, is a pretty good description of it all, unless there is a union involved.

Yes, i've admitted that the system isn't perfect. There ARE many cases where the worker is over-protected at the cost of the corp's profits, but that isn't necessarily always the case. Imho, ppl do want to do a good job, until they become fed up or depressed.

I worked under the protection of the UAW union one time, as a temp. I didn't like much of what I saw, but I didn't like what I saw mgmt doing, either. I can see the need for the union...not necessarily in all situations. But without them, we'd ALL be in worse shape.

As I keep saying - the BALANCE between the two entities is what should be protected, not necessarily a preference of one over the other.

As a worker, I really don't like being at the mercy of the modern corp, who are demanding control every aspect of my life, not just what I do on the clock.

Have you seen this trend of co's not hiring ppl who smoke, or drink, or are overweight? How much control do we want to give away in order to provide for our families? How much profit is enough for these co's, at the cost of my personal life choices, my free time, & my ability to pursue my own happiness? How much should I be forced to give away? How much SHOULD I make, compared to an investor? While they make the co possible in its inception, is it not my efforts that also make it profitable? Why should I make so much less than they do? They put their money in, & watch it grow, while I do the actual labor necessary.

Where is the balance, when there is no representation available, anymore? Who OWNS the gov't? Who writes the laws? Who now controls our education, our travel, our taxes, even our free time? It's become very one-sided, over these last 30 years. Surely you can see that.

In order to HAVE a middle class, protections must be in place to assure its existence, to maintain it in some artificial way, through taxes &/or unions &/or gov't intervention, lest the corp world's zeal for ALL the profits erase it.

Just ask the coal miners if unions are a good thing. You could ask the offspring of the miners of a few generations ago that question... but you might get punched in the face!
The "companies" brought in......... the Federal Government to stop the miners attempt at getting unions... and the Feds started shooting em down.
Same ole same ole Big Business working with government to keep the slaves down.
We're all debt slaves and Big Brother doesn't want that to stop. They just won't have it. Because money doesn't "trickle down" from them to us. It "flows" from us to them!

Unions have always been in bed with the government AND the Mob. That way they can make sure it isn't too efficient and doesn't keep too good of a name.

Phil, you have forgotten the most important ideal you exercised, freedom of choice. This is America. I for one do not want a HUUUUGE government taxing me to death and writing laws that continually tell me how to live my life.

My personal feelings are that I have allowed our government to confiscate so much personal property from folks like you and me and probably another 250 million Americans, Our own government has stolen away our future prosperity , our children's prosperity and now our grand children's prosperity.

The attention has been diverted to the evil corporations. The ones that bring goods and services at such competitive rates that all Americans can enjoy the wealth. If you work for one you don't like, Quit and go start your own corp.

This is not communist America. Governments world wide and through out history can not create the wealth that FREE MARKET economies can produce.

Governments world wide and through out history can NOT produce any wealth, just create rules that people must live by. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

I'm not going to go on here, I just wish that our Government had not taken so much away from you my friend,,, All these years.

Glen, the problem I see with this country is that we're spending 730 billion a year on the military so that we can play policeman. And the main reason for that is to protect the interests of the massive global corporations that call this country home. We need to shrink the military down to a defense only operation and let other countries deal with their own problems. I don't mind being taxed as long as the money goes towards education, infrastructure and R&D.

Ah, so, Glen - you would choose to work for a smaller outfit, like, say, Toy R Us, or Dollar General...owned by KKR, owned by one of the largest corp's in the world.

The problem woth your idea, is that you don't really know WHO owns whatever co you may work for, & when you go out of your way to FIND that independent co, there are no assurances that it will remain independent. And these days, I can promise you, you'll stick with a job, rather than go hopping around, cuz there are DAMNED few lilly pads out there to land on, & they're getting smaller & smaller by the day, too (as in fewer bennies & lower pay).

America is NOT broke. There is LOTS of money in this country. It's just been redistributed so that it's out of your hands, & tere are folks out there who's job it is to make sure that it never returns to your grubby lil paws.

Glen, the problem I see with this country is that we're spending 730 billion a year on the military so that we can play policeman. And the main reason for that is to protect the interests of the massive global corporations that call this country home. We need to shrink the military down to a defense only operation and let other countries deal with their own problems. I don't mind being taxed as long as the money goes towards education, infrastructure and R&D.

Wow , that # just jumped from 600 to 750 yet 60% of the fed budget is entitlements and just pushing us deeper in debt. You are right we can't be the world policeman, every time we do , we bring a knife to a gunfight. We must never put one of our military in harms way if they do not have the right to kill with extreme prejudice. I am sick of seeing us make the same mistake over and over. You want to see something scary, put a great weapon in the hands of a 21 year old marine. You want to see something scarier, order a no fire situation. As far as massive global corporations, You are buying into some things are just not true. Corps WILL never extend themselves into situations where profits are to risky.

You say you don't mind being taxed as long as the money is going to education,infrastructure, and R&D. I don't either. However I do extremely resent a school superintendent making $500,000 a year in a school district that is sucking the food off the tables of everyone, in the name of teaching. As far as infrastructure all these government projects are so bloated and behind,and lobbied for thanks to unions, over priced , and not being completed as well if they were FREE MARKET CONTRACTS.

AS far as R&D. This is so so sad and ridiculous. The ONE SUCCESSFUL program our government ever got involved with, that opened itself to major corporations to help with all the aspects of R&D. So many good things ,wonderful things came out of NASA. Corporations prospered,people had jobs, we landed the moon, and 40 years later TOO MANY still believe the B.S. a few are ramming down our throats.

Glen, the problem I see with this country is that we're spending 730 billion a year on the military so that we can play policeman. And the main reason for that is to protect the interests of the massive global corporations that call this country home.

900 U.S. Military bases in 135 countries... I'd call that Empire building, which boils down to resource harvesting.

The only government jobs worth anything are the ones our brothers & sisters, mothers & fathers lay their lives on the line and die with honor are the ones the military provide. Unlike the ones the politicians hold where they send our soldiers into battle with hands tied...
If we would go into battle with a 'scorched earth' policy, we wouldn't have the problems we have in the world. No other country has any respect for the U.S. anymore due to our 'paper tiger' status brought on by political correctness...
In the past a Roman soldier could walk down any dark alley and no one would dare touch them. Just after WW II and American soldier could do the same.... Not anymore!

The glamorizing of the military is one of the problems we have today. Where is the honor of being the poor man that the rich man sends to war to make gains for the wealthy?
How is it a "job worth having" when they get sent into toxic environments of depleted uranium to battle. It kills the enemy fast, and the attacker slowly. Not to mention all of the innocent civilians.

The revolt in Wisconsin is engineered and just the next phase of operations in the takeover of this country IMHO.