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#139749 by Sir Jamsalot
Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:13 am
spud1114 wrote:Thanks for the reply.

Yeah I have seen other people mention about using a keyboard to find your range. I don't have access to a keyboard but I bet I can find something online that is similar.

I also stumbled upon this which looks like it might be useful or at least worth checking out.
http://www.singintune.org/

SirJams do you currently do vocals in a band? Just wondering how you go about writing your vocal melodies.


Seeking a band, kindof - time constraints and all make it difficult for me to commit to anything at the moment.

As for writing vocal melodies - there are basically two ways i've done that - I carry a digital recorder with me and if I happen to be inspired (I often sing to myself), I may come up with a melody right there on the spot without any instruments in hand - just in my mind - usually just a rough idea with some words that seem to fit the melody. Then at some point, I'll try to figure out a chord progression that will back that melody in a way that contrasts the mood I'm trying to convey.

The latest song I'm currently recording started the opposite way - I had a simple chord progression on an acoustic - the overall sound was very haunting and I so hummed a melody to it in an attempt to convey that haunting mood. Then I wrote some lyrics that fit the mood, and recorded the acoustic along with the lyrics as a scratch track so I could go back later and start to refine it with a rythm section.

I tend to think melodies are something you happen upon if you're by yourself singing, or the chord progression tends to lead you into a melody that fits the mood your in.

for me anyways.

#139764 by spud1114
Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:13 pm
Daniel Towsley wrote:
spud1114 wrote:
Daniel Towsley wrote:I am a beginner as well. And what I do not everyone considers music. However, just wanted to comment on that tool. If that could help me balance things as well. That would be great. Will check it out and thank you for the link.


Checked out your page. I am not a big fan of Ammon Amarth but I do love alot of death metal/black metal. Big fan of Opeth, The Haunted, old In Flames, Old Man's Child.

And I enjoy that vocal style, alot of what you were doing sounded good to me. Would be interested in hear you do death vocals over an original, and with a better recording.


Nov 17th 2010 Symphonic Metal sound you made. I liked it a lot. And the following just came to me. maybe not the direction of the song. Or whatever. Only pieces I felt to do. Because wasn't sure how to write lyrics around the other bits. -lol- Just having fun. Don't mind me I tend to write randomly. And actually put my vocals to it to see how the lyrics matched.

1)
The sound from :56 to 1:07 made me write the following :

In the world of doubt the shadows scream
Victory in lust the angel breeds
The burning sun melting wax wings
Chaos in a new dream

2)
*edit* The part from 2:04 to 2:27 could be used as the normal set for vocals (or in some form like below). Well just an idea anyways. Though that would be shifting things around, and adding this to more parts of the song. And its your work not my own. Was trying to listen it repeats the same cord set 4 times? I think. And 5 seconds to each repeat about. The below form doesn't keep it as a main set but how it exists currently. Words would have to be very different for a standard set.

Death
Pretty little daddy's girl tormented

Hate
What he's done to you for so long now

Pain
The sin of life dripping from your veins

Free
The angel no longer cries in her dreams

3)
Then 2:27 to 2:37 made me write the following :

The porcelain doll shatters upon the wall
It bleeds no more pain from the falls

Overall I started to want to do lyrics associated with abuse .. Yes maybe not what you also wanted .. but ranting. Of a young girl who is physically and mentally assaulted by her father. Eventually finding her outlet into drugs. Then OD'ing on them. And yes I know I went off the deep end far from what could be done with the song. I tend to do that =)




Cool lyrics! if you want to lay them down on the song let me know and i can send you the mp3.

#139765 by spud1114
Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:16 pm
SirJamsalot wrote:
spud1114 wrote:Thanks for the reply.

Yeah I have seen other people mention about using a keyboard to find your range. I don't have access to a keyboard but I bet I can find something online that is similar.

I also stumbled upon this which looks like it might be useful or at least worth checking out.
http://www.singintune.org/

SirJams do you currently do vocals in a band? Just wondering how you go about writing your vocal melodies.


Seeking a band, kindof - time constraints and all make it difficult for me to commit to anything at the moment.

As for writing vocal melodies - there are basically two ways i've done that - I carry a digital recorder with me and if I happen to be inspired (I often sing to myself), I may come up with a melody right there on the spot without any instruments in hand - just in my mind - usually just a rough idea with some words that seem to fit the melody. Then at some point, I'll try to figure out a chord progression that will back that melody in a way that contrasts the mood I'm trying to convey.

The latest song I'm currently recording started the opposite way - I had a simple chord progression on an acoustic - the overall sound was very haunting and I so hummed a melody to it in an attempt to convey that haunting mood. Then I wrote some lyrics that fit the mood, and recorded the acoustic along with the lyrics as a scratch track so I could go back later and start to refine it with a rythm section.

I tend to think melodies are something you happen upon if you're by yourself singing, or the chord progression tends to lead you into a melody that fits the mood your in.

for me anyways.


Yeah that sounds alot like me! Lately I just hit record and go up and start singing whatever pops in my head and then just work with that as a starting place.

#140389 by Daniel Towsley
Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:38 am
spud1114 wrote:
Daniel Towsley wrote:
spud1114 wrote:
Daniel Towsley wrote:I am a beginner as well. And what I do not everyone considers music. However, just wanted to comment on that tool. If that could help me balance things as well. That would be great. Will check it out and thank you for the link.


Checked out your page. I am not a big fan of Ammon Amarth but I do love alot of death metal/black metal. Big fan of Opeth, The Haunted, old In Flames, Old Man's Child.

And I enjoy that vocal style, alot of what you were doing sounded good to me. Would be interested in hear you do death vocals over an original, and with a better recording.


Nov 17th 2010 Symphonic Metal sound you made. I liked it a lot. And the following just came to me. maybe not the direction of the song. Or whatever. Only pieces I felt to do. Because wasn't sure how to write lyrics around the other bits. -lol- Just having fun. Don't mind me I tend to write randomly. And actually put my vocals to it to see how the lyrics matched.

1)
The sound from :56 to 1:07 made me write the following :

In the world of doubt the shadows scream
Victory in lust the angel breeds
The burning sun melting wax wings
Chaos in a new dream

2)
*edit* The part from 2:04 to 2:27 could be used as the normal set for vocals (or in some form like below). Well just an idea anyways. Though that would be shifting things around, and adding this to more parts of the song. And its your work not my own. Was trying to listen it repeats the same cord set 4 times? I think. And 5 seconds to each repeat about. The below form doesn't keep it as a main set but how it exists currently. Words would have to be very different for a standard set.

Death
Pretty little daddy's girl tormented

Hate
What he's done to you for so long now

Pain
The sin of life dripping from your veins

Free
The angel no longer cries in her dreams

3)
Then 2:27 to 2:37 made me write the following :

The porcelain doll shatters upon the wall
It bleeds no more pain from the falls

Overall I started to want to do lyrics associated with abuse .. Yes maybe not what you also wanted .. but ranting. Of a young girl who is physically and mentally assaulted by her father. Eventually finding her outlet into drugs. Then OD'ing on them. And yes I know I went off the deep end far from what could be done with the song. I tend to do that =)




Cool lyrics! if you want to lay them down on the song let me know and i can send you the mp3.
What I was really thinking with making them short. Was sort of how some techno goes. Taking the few lines and just playing them in at points. Guess that can apply to any type of music. Though that was the initial thought. Could also add to them or change .. I know they call some bands doing things with rock especially old black metal bands as black rock. Though I have always been interested in combining sounds. Not saying because of the above. Just in general. Like we have x guitarists. Why not have x drummers. x singers, (faster,slower) etc etc. In a way I have always been interested in combining things. As seen in some of my designs even. I was designing in maximalism a long time ago and still to this day. I enjoy what can be created out of a termed "mess".

May not be the best example of maximalism off my works. However, this is one done in that style :

http://atomicangelmedia.deviantart.com/gallery/#/dnxc8f

I still have that same craving to do this to music. Though .. know how you listen to various types of sounds and music and just say "no that's not it". I still feel that way when engaged with music I wish to do. I guess in form it would still hit on industrial metal. Hard to explain because I haven't found that niche yet. Not sure if I would match my vocals to that sound either. Its all a image in my head so to speak. I do digress in form how metal seems to go. I love change. If only I could sing ... I can scream and growl (i feel) but my singing is -lol-

From what I silently cross over on this forum I do like the outlook of many of its members. And for others I feel there's a bit of wasted breath spilt upon the forum thread. That could be creatively used to apply to their love of music. Emotion drives us, seeks us, compels us, it can even destroy us, etc. Waste not that emotion on a thread that will be forgotten one day. Rather apply it to music (or other medium) that you will remember for a lifetime (hopefully).

In a long winded text I find I wish to write more. Yet I must stop. Things with my mother having cancer and in the hospital has me really thinking on so much. For one my mother doesn't like growling/screaming but she likes mine. I asked her if it was because I was her son. She said no .. she said she liked how it sounded. Really not sure but I tend to think it's because I am also her son. Not the greatest at it, but in my heart I don't feel I am the worst at it. It gives me freedom in mind when my world can be so busy. It gives me order when all things seek chaos. She told me also to keep at it. And for her alone I would. Though I also do it for me. Maybe one day I'll be good enough for a band. And I'll always seek to improve. Maybe I'm a dork .. but eh. =)

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