General Music Chat

Sweet! Rock on Jerry.

Sweet! Rock on Jerry.

Thanks Jimmy!

I have heard some collabs between you and neanderPaul buddy. What type of software do you guys use to exchange files?

I just send Paul the mixed and mastered instrumental tracks and he adds his vocals and remixes the song. We use SendSpace to transfer the files.

Scraatchy Im not starting shite and you spell it sh*t, I just find it disrespectful to put other links on someones post that is looking for comments, thats all I was saying.

Just cause your a metal head doesnt mean you have to have a chip on your shoulder does it?

If you want to discuss metal then just start a thread of that sort, whats the big deal!

i meant no disrepect to you and didnt name you

have a Great Day sir

No hard feelings. And BTW, the English and Aussies do pronounce it "Shite" not "sh*t"

Damn Santos your getting that tone out of a Peavey!

Actually Ive owned a bunch of peavey amps thru the years.

TNT 100, an old tube Musician head, played thru a Peavey Classic for 2 years in clubs, never had any issues with any of them. Those are just a few of them thru the years, Our pa system we use peavey monitors and have found thru the years that they hold up better than just about anything. I mean as much beer and cigs in them, plus for AYM around 1500 gigs, theyve just held up.

Sorry people not slamming peaveys, most of us that have played as long as I have are very familiar with them and they make some great products.

But it goes to prove the general point that tone is in the hands not necessarily the equipment you use. Focus on tone, tone tone and how to get it with whatever rig you happen to have.

Scraatchy Im not starting shite and you spell it sh*t, I just find it disrespectful to put other links on someones post that is looking for comments, thats all I was saying.

Just cause your a metal head doesnt mean you have to have a chip on your shoulder does it?

If you want to discuss metal then just start a thread of that sort, whats the big deal!

i meant no disrepect to you and didnt name you

have a Great Day sir

No hard feelings. And BTW, the English and Aussies do pronounce it "Shite" not "sh*t"

I'm the culprit here. My purists rebuttle instigated it.

Sorry for tagging up your thread santos.

It's all cool krul.

But it goes to prove the general point that tone is in the hands not necessarily the equipment you use. Focus on tone, tone tone and how to get it with whatever rig you happen to have.

Yes that's a good statement. I think a good musician can make mediocre equipment sound better.

But I'm not dismissing better gear.

That Peavey VK100 combo amp was $450 (2 channel), but I was also ready to purchase the Egnater 100 Combo for $1500 (4 channel). I went every weekend for 2 months to Guitar Center and tried both amps over and over. At the end, they both sounded great but one of the floor model Egnater's channels crapped out. That was a complete turn off for me and decided on the Peavey. I don't buy things out of impulse and like to bench test equipment before making a purchase. Maybe this is a habit I formed as a gear columnist for a publication. Honestly can say that most of my gear are base models. My dream guitar would be the PRS 7 string which go for like $5K. lol I would be afraid to take it out to the hostile chicago clubs.

But it goes to prove the general point that tone is in the hands not necessarily the equipment you use. Focus on tone, tone tone and how to get it with whatever rig you happen to have.

Yes that's a good statement. I think a good musician can make mediocre equipment sound better.

But I'm not dismissing better gear.

That Peavey VK100 combo amp was $450 (2 channel), but I was also ready to purchase the Egnater 100 Combo for $1500 (4 channel). I went every weekend for 2 months to Guitar Center and tried both amps over and over. At the end, they both sounded great but one of the floor model Egnater's channels crapped out. That was a complete turn off for me and decided on the Peavey. I don't buy things out of impulse and like to bench test equipment before making a purchase. Maybe this is a habit I formed as a gear columnist for a publication.

Damn, the Tourmaster looked like a good amp too. Now, I'll have second thoughts.

Damn, the Tourmaster looked like a good amp too. Now, I'll have second thoughts.

TOURMASTER... yeah that was the name.

Dude its a great amp. The tone is awesome. the fact that it has 4 independent channels makes it very versatile. I mean the channels are completely separate and you can dial in tones without affecting the others. It has gotten great reviews too. Come to think of it..... I think the problem with that floor model I tried out was the switch pedal, not the actual channel. Anyway, you should try it out and make your own assumptions.

Hello friends! After receiving some advice about boosting the low end on my mixes. I took the bass tracks and doubled them, compressed one track and stereo split. Sounds better now. Thanks for your input.

Now... have to work on the vocals. Don't have much experience with working with vocal tracks. What you are hearing now is mostly dry with a slight room reverb. Thinking about adding flange and stuff.

J! thanks for sharing!

Compression, reverb, and doubling really will help the vox. The vox need more treble too. But the biggest thing I hear a need for on the vox is a pop filter. If not at least get the vocalist to move back from the mic. I heard some "P's hitting". I made a pop filter from my little girl's tights and a wire coat hanger! LOL! You can hear the results on "little wing"

Another huge factor in getting the vocals to sound good is make sure the singer can hear himself really well. Above the music.

The first track is pretty Limp biskit to me musically ("just think about it"). The intro is way too long to me. Too long intro on "let it show" for me too. That's just the pop lover in me. I really really love a 3:00 - 3:30 song.
I'm sorry but I don't like your singer. Especially on "let it show"


Your tones are pretty fierce! I'll take that peavey amp any day!!!

Are there 2 guitarists?

Fall from Grace is pretty strong! It has some solid hooks. It was kind of awkward when the guitar tone changed at :55. I think it would sound better if you kept the guitar that is panned to the left. That tone is BOSS. And just added to sound you change to.

Best of luck! Thanks for sharing!

J! thanks for sharing!

Compression, reverb, and doubling really will help the vox. The vox need more treble too. But the biggest thing I hear a need for on the vox is a pop filter. If not at least get the vocalist to move back from the mic. I heard some "P's hitting". I made a pop filter from my little girl's tights and a wire coat hanger! LOL! You can hear the results on "little wing"

Another huge factor in getting the vocals to sound good is make sure the singer can hear himself really well. Above the music.

The first track is pretty Limp biskit to me musically ("just think about it"). The intro is way too long to me. Too long intro on "let it show" for me too. That's just the pop lover in me. I really really love a 3:00 - 3:30 song.
I'm sorry but I don't like your singer. Especially on "let it show".


Your tones are pretty fierce! I'll take that peavey amp any day!!!

Are there 2 guitarists?

Fall from Grace is pretty strong! It has some solid hooks. It was kind of awkward when the guitar tone changed at :55. I think it would sound better if you kept the guitar that is panned to the left. That tone is BOSS. And just added to sound you change to.

Best of luck! Thanks for sharing!

Awesome! Thanks NP for giving our music a listen. Our live situation is me on guitar playing both rhythm and lead. The singer Jon, plays guitar on some parts during the songs he writes. I guess you can say there are two guitarists. For that awkward guitar tone on "Fall From Grace", we are switching from a standard six to a seven string guitar for that low B part during the start of the chorus. I think I will fix it by letting the 6 string play the same notes on top for cohesiveness.

I will take your advice on the vocals. I haven't done anything on the vocal tracks because I don't have any idea what to do lol. I will experiment on compression and doubling first, then add the effects after. our singer is still growing into his sound and hopefully, having recordings like these, can serve as a reference on the areas he needs to work on. May have to go get a pop guard as I ran out of pantyhose.....

Ah, the 3 minute pop song. I think we can dedicate some practices to come up with songs like that. We are not limited to just alternative rock, we like all kinds of music.

thanks again bud

Jerry

For vocals I like to make them larger.

On a verse I like to pan a dry vocal to around 10 oclock and then send another signal to around 2 oclock to the left with a 10-20 ms delay. Basically a doubling effect.

For vocals I tend to like a plate reverb program.

In pro tools you can take a vocal reverb and boost it at the end of a vocal line and then make a harsh decay on it. For an example go to my player and listen to Save The Last Dance, and listen to the ends of verse lines. I know I suck as a singer but on that song we did some stuff like that.

Thicker reverbs to my ears work best on the more silent instrument sections. Your songs have a lot of space for reverb in those lower dynamic areas. Dont over do it just a little bit will go a long way.

When you get to the heavy crunch sections I think heavy reverb or delays just get lost in the mix.

I like to compress and limit my own vocals when I record alone, but the guy that plays bass in our band when he records me he ussually does it dry, then adds some sparkle later. If using a compressor or limiter be careful cause you will get the swoosh sound if you over do it. I think on my old Alesis equipment I would use the over easy setttings.

You can double the guitar just like I described with the vocals at the first, thats an old Van Halen trick from Van Halen I, or if our singer is real good have him double it by recording another track.

In my own recordings at home many times I will try and sing a higher harmony line and spread it way left and right in the stereo field, then have two more tracks in more tight in the stereo spread. On chorus's this can build it up huge if done properly.

As in all things like this there really arent any absolutes, do what sounds good to your ear. Before seriously mixing let your ears get some rest. Its tough to do a bunch of tracks for hours and hours then mix it down.

Good luck

Good work Jerry. I like "Let it Show" the best