General Music Chat

Yes ... I do manage musicians .... but ... much differently than perhaps one would assume. My management consists of organizing their online status ... locating any band members they may need, websites, graphics, etc. Its a fun job..... but .... I do it for free .... just out of interest. For the most part .... I offer advice to those looking for ways to advance or better any opportunites.

About the website ... i've been building that for a couple months now ... I am trying to get it ready for January.... not sure if it will be though because the darn software programs are expensive... and its the wrong time of year to be spending $250 on website software... with christmas sneaking up on us. I have 3 pieces of the website completed .... still a couple to go.

I currently promote Natalie Marie.... a UK POP Artist. I love her music and her vocals.

I am not bashing anyone, (not right now at least). I do agree that we all need to keep evolving or die trying.

To stop the mental processes is the kiss of death.

USMC, adapt and overcome. Identify your weaknesses and overcome them.

No .... you won't find much at my site .... its not ready for people yet ... i'm still building it.

I may have the first 3 sections kinda under control ... but the music section is still a complete mess. I need to spend $99 to finish that part.

Like I said ... not a good time of year to be spending money on website software..... so things are developing a tad slow right now.

Well until you can deploy your site why not use the stuff that's free? Namely, this site, myspace, etc? You can buy a domain name for cheap, and have it hosted for about $100 a year. If you want to be able to argue with the Irminsuls of the world you should at least look like you know what you're doing.

The point I tried to make earlier is that a "Pro" is a "Pro" because their credentials command payment. ....

Bob, we have a WINNER!!!! ding ding ding ding

Precisely put, and precisely the reason I wanted to address why, in so many areas, professional musicians are being asked to play for free more often than professionals of other fields are. The salient point is, they are pros. They are worth being paid if they are worth being petitioned for work.

Yes, but debate begins here. What the "Pro" musicians believes their credentials are worth and what the (insert non nightclub gig title) believes they are worth is completely arbitrary.

Most pros will not play anywhere without a contract, which stipulates the amount or method of payment. This is just good business. The problem with many club gigs is that the management usually prefers not to sign contracts and instead will use amateurs who will generally work for less than pros. In fact, this is what allows amateurs to play at bars, etc. The pros still get the better gigs - casinos, corporate events, etc.

Yes, but debate begins here. What the "Pro" musicians believes their credentials are worth and what the (insert non nightclub gig title) believes they are worth is completely arbitrary.

Ah, that's another topic then. And a potentially good one. Wanna start it?

Most pros will not play anywhere without a contract, which stipulates the amount or method of payment. This is just good business. The problem with many club gigs is that the management usually prefers not to sign contracts and instead will use amateurs who will generally work for less than pros. In fact, this is what allows amateurs to play at bars, etc. The pros still get the better gigs - casinos, corporate events, etc.

Exactly right. One of the main reason I'm down on the silly propensity to define one's entire musical career aspirations based on playing bars. Also, what you said about contracts cannot be overstated. I havent played without one since 1990, and I recommend every pro use one. I'm so adamant about their use that I posted a blank contract provided by the AFM on my website for free download.

Pros do usually get the better gigs....and those who are actually popular enough to do the nightclub circuit and fill the places out in every town they go, well, they aren't amateurs anymore.

muzickmage: A comment on that site you've been building...I'd seriously consider getting some design help. It looks like it was put together in 1995.

Well irminsul ..... looks like your as ignorant as always. But then again ... what else can we expect from you? Its your pathetic little way of putting someone down again.... like you usually do.

The 2005 you see there is when I first got the domain name, the first 2 pieces of the site, and started doing something different.... I left the site go dormant for what seems like forever.... and decided just recently to get it fixed up and use it for management. This new idea prompted extra site pieces .... and the needed spending to get those pieces.

As for my design skills ..... I think you will find I am up to the challenge irminsul ..... anytime you wish to test my skills .... you just go right ahead.

Hey wait a minute... aren't you the guy who said that "I" needed to improve "MY" social skills. Isn't that just the pot calling the kettle black!

I just knew you'd take those comments comensurate with your mental age. Thanks for not disappointing, 'mage.

Irminsul .... You love to put me down, undermine what I try to do to help people.... twist my postings for your own pleasures of ignorance.... and completely discredit any work I may offer to someone else for their benefit.

I bring to this forum assistance to others who are trying to get ahead .... I know how to help people ... and am willing to do exactly that .... for FREE. You would think I was here trying to swindle people out of their money for crying out loud.

You on the other hand ... contribute nothing to this forum but your ignorance. Your bashing remarks. And your need to be considered better than anyone else. You don't like anyone on this forum getting the center of attention ... that attention must be yours...... You keep putting people down.... not just me ... but many others as well. I couldn't count the people you insulted and made feel like crap.

You say that my management skills need this and need that... suggest that my Web/Graphic Design skills are poor .... and of course you say all of this without one single shred of proof. Its all part of your childish mind games to descredit yet another person.

When the hell are you going to leave people alone irminsul? When are you going to stop treating people like crap?

If an agruement is what you want (and apparently it is) .... then fine ... lets do it. Lets get all of your ignorance out in the open once and for all. I'm ready when you are .... lets go for it.

I think we've already gone for it....and you are a crumpled heap in the corner.

A crumpled heap in the corner ... doesn't that more so define "you"?

At best your a "used to be" ... all you have to offer is stories of what you "used" to do .. and even those accomplishments are lacking any sense of success. Like I said once already... your nothing but a backstage/garage wannabe... who's done some small time venue crap ... and now you think your "all that"..... when your "all nothing".

Thats probably why you like it here in bandmix so much... its your life line ... the only remaining sense of recognition you can sum up. You can't get much recognition offline... so you turn to a little forum of musicians to get some attention.

And I will get ahead of your great come-back to that statement ... as I know you''ll just say ... why are "you" here then mage? .... well.... I work online remember.... being in Bandmix here is part of my job interests... thats why i'm here. This forum has opportunities for me relating directly to my job interests.

So before you judge further "my" ambitions and efforts .... try putting a little more attention on your own failures.

A crumpled heap in the corner ... doesn't that more so define "you"?

At best your a "used to be" ... all you have to offer is stories of what you "used" to do .. and even those accomplishments are lacking any sense of success. Like I said once already... your nothing but a backstage/garage wannabe... who's done some small time venue crap ... and now you think your "all that"..... when your "all nothing".

Thats probably why you like it here in bandmix so much... its your life line ... the only remaining sense of recognition you can sum up. You can't get much recognition offline... so you turn to a little forum of musicians to get some attention.

And I will get ahead of your great come-back to that statement ... as I know you''ll just say ... why are "you" here then mage? .... well.... I work online remember.... being in Bandmix here is part of my job interests... thats why i'm here. This forum has opportunities for me relating directly to my job interests.

So before you judge further "my" ambitions and efforts .... try putting a little more attention on your own failures.

Poooor 'mage - a legend in his own mind. He cannot stand that others have actually accomplished something, so he flips boogers from up yonder, from his lowly pillar of mediocrity.

How WILL we ever recover!

Well i'm not sure of the best way for you to recover irminsul... but however you do it ... I surely hope you do a better job on your recovery than you did on your music career .... being just how pathetic that turned out.

But thats ok ... not everyone can make it... I do applaud you however for trying. So what if all you have left to look forward to in this world of music are your stories of the yesterdays .... we can all learn alot from them ... in the sense of what NOT to do.