General Music Chat

I guess I'm just left angry tonight myself. Not because this young man killed six people. Because everyone want's to say it's because of Obama and liberals or Republicans and their hate rhetoric (Gun sights) and no one wants to do anything to make this country better. I read this site in general and it all seems to be wank! So what your next gig? Working on a new album? Or are you just sitting around posting crap with your dick in your hand? Go out and write a song. Maybe about this incident or something else powerful in your life.

Maybe someone wants to write a song about his dick in his hand?

I really have little idea about all the brouhaha except what my common-law-wife tells me she read online. I couldn't give a flying f**k. More dead people? Doesn't change my life or yours. It's just gonna get worse until it gets better, folks. Lunatics will always be among us, usually with some cover of respectability until they lose it and go apeshit somewhere. "He was such a quiet man." Yeah, right. Meanwhile, Uncle Sam is polishing his ramrod to f**k us all in the ass, using it as a pretext. Same sh*t, different day.

Mike I really am starting to believe that you are the only one who gets it. And that scares me more than you know. Okay, to be honest the clown makeup thing is the only thing that bothers me. Actually I have noticed that you are often the object of ridicule. Too bad. I hope that you spend the rest of your time when not lurking here, writing music and enjoying life. I can't help but feel so much of what I read here is pure wank. And that a lot of people on sites like this just sit around noodling on their guitars while watching Fox news. No one has taken up my challenge to write a one minute, mistakes included, song yet and probably won't. I tried to help another poor sod with his vocals and that will fall on deaf ears. I sometimes really wonder why I would post here. I could be exploring string arrangements (Which I love doing) or playing a harmonica while my cat watches or writing in 6/8. But I come here to hopefully find others like me, who share a love for music and want to do something great with it. And I mostly find.....uh.....wank. I still hold out hope. I'm out of here tonight, my wife wants to see me one night a week, but
I hope you all sleep well, dream something nice and wake up writing music that changes the world or at least your own world!

Mike I really am starting to believe that you are the only one who gets it. And that scares me more than you know. Okay, to be honest the clown makeup thing is the only thing that bothers me. Actually I have noticed that you are often the object of ridicule. Too bad. I hope that you spend the rest of your time when not lurking here, writing music and enjoying life. I can't help but feel so much of what I read here is pure wank. And that a lot of people on sites like this just sit around noodling on their guitars while watching Fox news. No one has taken up my challenge to write a one minute, mistakes included, song yet and probably won't. I tried to help another poor sod with his vocals and that will fall on deaf ears. I sometimes really wonder why I would post here. I could be exploring string arrangements (Which I love doing) or playing a harmonica while my cat watches or writing in 6/8. But I come here to hopefully find others like me, who share a love for music and want to do something great with it. And I mostly find.....uh.....wank. I still hold out hope. I'm out of here tonight, my wife wants to see me one night a week, but
I hope you all sleep well, dream something nice and wake up writing music that changes the world or at least your own world!

It's nice when someone is sympathic, or at least TRIES to be. As for the clown makeup, I thought it was a little more apt than the Marilyn Manson / Gene Simmons mashup. If you haven't noticed, the face is none other than split-personality Jerry Lewis. A common theme I work with is duality, and how to overcome it, transcend it. Everyone is born innocent. But, along the way life takes it's toll and every sick brutal perversion imaginable comes from those same infants as adults. Within us all are "good" and "evil" and the means to escape them. If you haven't figured out, I'm also kinda into Zen Buddhism as well as an atheist.

Lately, I've been editing together videos to post. Everyone complains that I don't have anything up. The stuff is kinda old and, although I still like making noise and psychedelic sounds, I'm really trying to play more conventional music in my current project (just not TOO conventional ).
I was going to post some audio tapes but am having technical difficulties.

I've been in the forum mainly because of boredom and not wanting to waste my $10/mo. I've met a few people here. So, that's cool. Maybe something else will happen. I dunno.

If you know much about vocal training I might be interested. But, I can't record myself, currently.

As far as writing music that will change the world...uh...I'm not that optimistic. The Bush/Cheney years should've been like the Johnson/Nixon years. We should have had the Sixties back in full force with all the bullshit going on. But, it didn't happen. I think folks got frustrated when little changed and gave up. Obama's biggest crime is continuing the policies of the Bush years, and letting them get away with it. So, I gotta laugh when teabaggers call him a socialist. He's further to the right than Reagan!

"Cant stir a pot of discontent without discontent.
And no pundits created the discontent. "

Oh, I think pundits create PLENTY of discontent. It's all in the delivery, Zip.

Btw, other viewpoints ARE on the air, however, they are more often overlooked by ppl surfing for sensation rather than content, which is about all we sell in the country, anymore, especially in our "news" programs.

The liberals aren't pasting cross-hairs on the foreheads of their opponents, Zip. Don't you find that act just a little disturbing? It sickens me. It's one thing to promote gun ownership (which I am most definitely FOR, btw), but quite another altogether to use it as an excuse to encourage sickos to use that right to eradicate ppl with whom you would disagree, even if you're using it as a "metaphor."

I don't know if this nut job even saw the Palin sh*t. What she did was wrong on so many levels!

Yeah, no one has any solutions, & no one has anything positive to offer. I hear that all the time, but it ain't necessarily true, Zip. You just gotta look for it by wading through the cess-pool we call "news."

All you ever hear about are the right winger shows. Where are the left winger shows?
Either they don't have anything worth saying (doubt that), the average joe doesn't think that way (I reckon a lot do), or they can't cooperate and do anything that is unified.
I think it's the last part.

I haven't seen anything of Palins except for a few minutes of Palins show once.
I assume it's the work of a nutjob that took something out of context.
Might have been a plant... arizona has been a hotspot after all.

John Lennon was killed by a nut who took something out of context and ran with it.

"The massacre in Tucson is, in a sense, irrelevant to the important point. Whatever drove Jared Lee Loughner, America's political frequencies are full of violent static."— George Packer, in the New Yorker.

Yeah. Quote something from the New Yorker. No political liberal viewpoints there....

SG - ignore the message cuz it comes from the New Yorker, if you wish. It doesn't make it any less true, does it? It's what many of you have been saying, ever since I brought up the fact that Gifford's name is on a Palin "hit list." You say there is no connection...FINE - there's no connection. I'll give ya that. Still, there is way too much hate-filled rhetoric in our politics, & yes - it comes from both sides of the aisle, the right AND the left.

How can we, as a ppl, come together & work together, when our "leaders" lead us so far apart?

This is so typical of discussions in America.

Lib: You did something.

Conserv: Oh yeah? Well, what YOU did was WORSE!

Lib: Well, you did worse than that yesterday

Conserv: Yeah, but not as bad as what you did last week...

These sorts of discussions spread over every area of our lives. Seriously - this sounds like a bad marriage, more than ppl who are trying to lead, or make our country better or safer or stronger. Look at the convo again. The players are interchangeable.

There are several problems inherent in a system that works like this, whether that system is a business, or a family, or a gov't.

#1 - no one listens, so no ideas will be accepted, so no progress can be made

#2 - any mistake is a kiss of death, so no one can make a move, so no progress can be made

#3 - ppl who are too busy trying to cover their butts aren't ABLE to lead, because their every effort is spent doing other things, so no progress can be made

#4 - those who depend on the leaders, be they children in the family, workers in a business, or constituents in the political field, get caught up in the rhetoric. They get continually jerked in this direction or that, but never one that has any continuity, any true direction. No one is led anywhere but in circles, & no progress can be made

#5 - those dependent upon the leaders become ever more polarized, to the point that they will hear nothing from a side that they do not support (a la SG's response to the quote from the New Yorker). No new idea, no real truth, nothing of worth that comes from an opposing source can be accepted...so no progress can be made

#6 - it is perceived that "good" can only come from one's preferred side, so those in opposition will always be blocking any real good ideas, hoping to bring them up later & perhaps get credit for the idea, themselves...so no progress can be made

Part of the problem that brought us here, imho, is the way our system works. I've said before how a leader can expect to make few long term progressive changes in our system, when he only has a 4 year term. Add to that, the "off-year" elections. It seems as though we are constantly barraged with campaign promises & arguments, which polarize us even further. We've haven't even passed the 1/2-way point that our pres was in office, but there has been talk of the next national election in our media & from our politicians ever since the present administration was elected, even before the officials took office!

How much campaign rhetoric can a country stand?

Which brings me to my next point that has brought us to these dire straits - the way our elected officials use the media, & the length of their campaigns. Presidential hopefuls start their campaigning as soon as an election is over, preening for the cameras, arguing & blocking any progress attempted by any current administration, in an attempt to make them look as unqualified, inept, & un-American as possible.

The media runs with it all, be it a liberal or conservative member of the press. They choose their sides & beat us to death with trivial crap of no import until we are all at each other's throats over it all, while...you guessed it...no progress can be made.

This ain't no way to run a country...or a business...or a church or family...

Everyone is born innocent.

you don't have kids do you...

Everyone is born innocent.

you don't have kids do you...

I guess I'm just left angry tonight myself. Not because this young man killed six people. Because everyone want's to say it's because of Obama and liberals or Republicans and their hate rhetoric (Gun sights) and no one wants to do anything to make this country better. I read this site in general and it all seems to be wank! So what your next gig? Working on a new album? Or are you just sitting around posting crap with your dick in your hand? Go out and write a song. Maybe about this incident or something else powerful in your life.

I think this is what i am trying to say. It hits even closer to home for me because I see the people marching in the streets when i go to work. I drive by McCain's office almost every working day of the week. I see the protestors and tresspassers on his office lawn screaming the latest local fad. At least they are only using words.

I know from personal experience that taking violent action never fixes the problem especially when the innocent are involved. Even in self defense, the object of retalliation should be surgically and cleanly focused on. Giffords did not deserve this nor did anyone else there that day.

The people who advocate "Don't retreat, reload", bully others with threats of gun violence and scream about taking their country back have blood on their hands. Plain and simple.

Everyone is born innocent.

you don't have kids do you...

I didn't say they STAY innocent, did I?

To take something out of context like a bullseye clearly symbolic and used in the context of voting someone out of office must take a naive mindset at best. A figure of speech is just that. Nothing more.

It is a real stretch of the imagination at best to promote a political agenda and link it to a random event. So when sh1t happens, and a political agenda emerges, one should first question the motives of those politicizing the event and examine THEM carefully to see what goal they are attempting to achieve with their rhetoric.

When someone implies that "We appear to be the only are the only ones who really get it" usually proves to be that they are the only ones who don't get it in the end.

Where was the screaming yelling while Dem supporters were putting Hitler moustashes on Bush?

Where were those same people when a political pundit said "I hope Chaney dies of a heart attack" during a nation wide interview?

Where were those bleeding hearts when Oboma told his liberal ilk at a political rally "If they bring a knife, you bring a gun.

Come to think of it, Obummer has said more negative vicious things than any other president has to this date in order to turn one group against another. He has turned almost every group against each other since he has been president.

Where were they when a liberal political pundit said that Obummer needs something like the Oklahoma bombing to raise his support like the Oklahoma bombing helped Clinton?

All of the above received air time. Where were the indignant hiding then?

Funny that the liberals are the ones to turn every negative event into a political motivation and blame someone other than the one committing the crime through their puppet news propaganda machine. When was the last time you heard any outrage when someone spoke against conservatives?

Conveniently short memories out there. But remember this. Divided we fall. Sometimes people would do well to see random events as just that, and see insanity or irrational behavior simply for what it is.. without making radical propaganda to explain the unexplainable.

A bill has just been introduced to Congress to make the use of threatening symbols like a target when referring to a member of Congress illegal. Then when someone like Palin does this we can prosecute her, as criminals should be.

Everyone is born innocent.

you don't have kids do you...

haha. too true.

How many parents have to teach their children to do what they're told NOT to do? You tell a kid no, and they gotta see how far they can get before they actually get disciplined. You don't have to teach people to be corrupt, you just have to let them run their course uninhibited, which sadly is the case in many broken / single parent homes, and explains why there is such a high rate of inmates coming from broken families.

Fear of Father helps kids grow up right. Children without a father is why the world is a mess.

A bill has just been introduced to Congress to make the use of threatening symbols like a target when referring to a member of Congress illegal. Then when someone like Palin does this we can prosecute her, as criminals should be.

why only members of congress? we the people should have the same protections as them, doncha think?