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I am a conservative Libertarian and I do not watch Fox News. I do not have anything against them, just way too many opinions and not enough solid fact.

The same goes for all the alphabet soup networks. If you are gonna call out one, call them all out. CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC etc etc etc... are all biased in some way. Good old fashioned dry news just does not get ratings. When ratings became the goal, reality became a secondary requirement. Glenn Beck puts on a great show of morality and patriotism. He also was hilarious on the morning zoo or some such. Chris matthews is about as objective as any sychophant can be.

Learn history, even the part that hurts and educate yourselves. I have a copy of the constitution from the Heritage Foundation and copies of the federalist papers and many other insightful documents into our country's founding. Shawn hannity is an entertainer. Jefferson and Washington risked life, liberty, the survival of thier entire heritage to pursue the vision of America they brought about. Fox news nor MSNBC personalities would not, in my estimation, put themselves in such a position. They lack the courage to risk a few ratings points. I would hate to see what would happen if life were on the line.

Modern patriots are the people who intelligently vote, research the issues and do not listen to the promises of politicians who try to buy votes with entitlements. The constitution never promised the new deal, social security, medicare nore did it allow for the IRS. There are 120 years of programs and citizen prostitution that need to be reigned in.

If you rely on the system that has been used to buy your vote you are a whore.

I am a conservative Libertarian and I do not watch Fox News. I do not have anything against them, just way too many opinions and not enough solid fact.

The same goes for all the alphabet soup networks. If you are gonna call out one, call them all out. CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC etc etc etc... are all biased in some way. Good old fashioned dry news just does not get ratings. When ratings became the goal, reality became a secondary requirement. Glenn Beck puts on a great show of morality and patriotism. He also was hilarious on the morning zoo or some such. Chris matthews is about as objective as any sychophant can be.

Learn history, even the part that hurts and educate yourselves. I have a copy of the constitution from the Heritage Foundation and copies of the federalist papers and many other insightful documents into our country's founding. Shawn hannity is an entertainer. Jefferson and Washington risked life, liberty, the survival of thier entire heritage to pursue the vision of America they brought about. Fox news nor MSNBC personalities would not, in my estimation, put themselves in such a position. They lack the courage to risk a few ratings points. I would hate to see what would happen if life were on the line.

Modern patriots are the people who intelligently vote, research the issues and do not listen to the promises of politicians who try to buy votes with entitlements. The constitution never promised the new deal, social security, medicare nore did it allow for the IRS. There are 120 years of programs and citizen prostitution that need to be reigned in.

If you rely on the system that has been used to buy your vote you are a whore.

CNN's Jack Cafferty is really good. MSNBC's Keith Olbermann and Rachael Maddow are too. They actually FACT CHECK and make CORRECTIONS when they are mistaken, like it should be second nature in journalism. The rest of 'em on TV aren't worth a fart. I can't stomach watching Wolf Blitzer or Chris Matthews. Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly are psychotic clowns.

The constitution never promised a LOT of things, like women's suffrage, the emancipation proclamation, etc. It also never predicted Civil War, The Great Depression, WW2 , or the cold war. The founders were brilliant, collectively. But, they weren't psychic. America has ALWAYS been a work-in-progress, striving to create "a more perfect union." We've been constantly improvising as we go along from one problem to another through history. That adaptive nature of our constitution is one of it's strengths and why we're the world's oldest democracy ("democratic republic", if you want to be nit-picky).

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PGh - check out who OWNS Fox. I did. Do your own homework.

Btw - that which I learned about the founding fathers' views on religion in gov't, I found on my own, AFTER leaving the "liberal educational system," cuz THEY certainly aren't going to tell me truth about anything.

Thomas Jefferson said:

The happiness & prosperity of our citizens is the only legitimate object of government. (What? No god in there?!?!?!?)

The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts as are only injurious to others. (Nope...no religion there, either.)

A wise and frugal government , which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement. (I would assume this includes the right to choose their own religious path...)

The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and gov't to gain ground. (He sure got THAT one right, in spades!)

The legitimate powers of gov't extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say thet there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. (Got it?)

I consider the gov't of the US as interdicted by the Constitution from meddling with the religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises...civil powers alone have been given to the President of the US & no authority to direct the religious exercises of his constituents. (ANY of his constituents, of ANY faith! Got it yet?)

We hold these truths to be sacred & unalienable, that all men are created equal (NOT just all christian men, bub) & independent (free to remain independent of the church or any religion's control or preference of law),..

Agriculture, manufacturers, commerce, & navigation, the 4 pillars of our prosperity, are then most thriving when left most free to individual enterprise. (Note - no mention of a 5th "religious" pillar to hold up our country!)

Whenever people are well-informed they can be trusted with their own gov't. (An excellent argument against Fox, if ever there was one!)

If a nation expects to be ignorant & free...it expects what never was & never will be. (Another good jab at Faux News)

Bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, & to violate would be oppression (Just because the majority of folk in the US call themselves "Christian," that in no way gives them any right to rule those of us who are not by their religious standards, or their holy book.)

I have sworn upon the alter of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. (yep...even the christian ones!)

I am mortified that, in the U.S. of A, the sale of a book can become a subject of inquiry, & of criminal inquiry, too.

The press, confined to truth, needs no other legal restraint. (Gee...another jab at Fox, innit? They certainly do NOT confine themselves to "truth.")

Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law. (Got it yet?)

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. (That would include those who would be tyrannical in the name of God.)

George Washington said:

The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.

Adolf Hitler said:

Who says I am not under the special protection of God?

Horace said:

To save a man's life against his will is the same as killing him.
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See, PGh. it comes down to HOW one chooses to educate oneself. You've chosen to limit yourself to those arguments that you would prefer - the ones that promote your questionable religious views, & your vision of a perfect world within those limits.

I have chosen a more open path, that includes a bit more information at my disposal, perhaps, & it is one that contradicts many of your core beliefs. Eh...I can live with that, as well as your assessment of me & my character. In spite of your opinions, I know what I believe to be right & true, & it is certainly not as limited in scope as yours seems to be, whether we're talking about the news, or religion, or the gov't.

That's okay, though. It's part & parcel of being both human, & a citizen of the USA.

I certainly seem to have a firmer grasp of reality in THIS plane of existence. LOL

Was true then (1976) and even more so now!

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Was true then (1976) and even more so now!

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That is just so-o-o-o-o perfect. Share with everyone!

Well the pointing out of other’s errors doesn’t make yours any more true, through those Christian colored lenses there Godhead. Gee I wonder what bias you have?

The founding fathers were predominantly masons. That was their commonality in spirituality, not the church. The only religious requirement of a mason is the belief of a higher being. That’s why we have freedom of religion and not exclusively freedom of Christianity. It’s also why under no circumstances or even remotely convolution of the facts, that a state sponsored religion was designated. Just think of all the deception you would have to forgo, if they simply declared one.

Certainly it would fit the arrogance of a Christian fanatic to assume Christianity to be exclusive of all things good. George Washington had a whiskey distillery and grew hemp. Now if that’s within the confines of a die hard Christian, by all means sign me up. Ben Franklin was a womanizer and Thomas Jefferson really, really, loved his slaves. But I concur all must have been Christian zealots, because the hypocrisy is clearly recognizable. I don’t mind elevating the fore fathers on a pedestal for the political views, but you may want to find a different crew as the spokes people for your specific religion. The history has already been written, stick to demonizing science. It’s a much easier con.

I have nothing but contempt for Christian zealots. For all the talk of the high and mighty, not one I have ever met would know true morality if it hit you in the nose. Lie, cheat, steal, you folks would do anything to shape the world to fit within your ridiculous declaration of faith. If your god cant exists within the confines of logic and common decency, don’t feel obligated to drag the rest of us down your rabbit hole. If you thirst for facts to reinforce your faith, it’s simply a sign that your delusion is waning. Now lets skip right to the chase here. Tell me what God wants, certainly you know that for fact even better than history.

George Washington had a whiskey distillery and grew hemp. Now if that’s within the confines of a die hard Christian, by all means sign me up. .

I'm a Christian and it works for me. Shall I send you a form?

I'm well aware that some Christians can be pretty annoying. Largely because they confuse their own legalistic inclinations with things that are actually "adiaphora" (niether commanded nor forbidden - such as alchohol, weed etc). The key is not to act a fool and demean the faith. Sadly, I fail at that pretty regularly.

I have a tune called "Gunman's Bitch." (where Govt is the gunman and we're the bitches) From what I've seen on this thread some of you would think I was talking about Bush and some would think it about Obama. You'd both be right.

Both political parties are hopelessly corrupt. Same for the news media. Saudi Arabia has a huge holding in both CNN and Fox. Fair and balanced? I suppose so...

One admonition to self, and it keeps me from writing much about politics - a favorite band of mine in the day was Jefferson Airplane - when they went from good music to political music it was a long slide down... Instead of music it became just vitriol.

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Talbot

Tne admonition to self, and it keeps me from writing much about politics - a favorite band of mine in the day was Jefferson Airplane - when they went from good music to political music it was a long slide down... Instead of music it became just vitriol.

I thought it was when they went from LSD to cocaine.

MikeTalbot let me clarify my position, would be best in any case before I see torches and pitchforks. What I mean is fanaticism. This country was founded on the principles of freedom and absolutely nothing else. If this country was founded by like minded Christians as Godhead, there is no doubt that Christianity would have been declared the state religion. So just through logical elimination, we know they were NOT Christian fanatics.

It’s that absurdity that makes mathematicians fudge it to fit two of every animal on a boat and saddles on dinosaurs. So if someone has to alter reality to believe, well then they don’t really believe all that much in anything. They don’t believe in honesty, they don’t believe in history, they don’t believe in science or logic. Because all those things threaten their feeble grasp of some starry eyed naïve notion. If their faith is threatened by reality, then the reality isn’t the problem and altering it won’t fix anything.

I know plenty of Christians here that haven’t given up decency, honesty, or logic to pursue their faith, yourself included.

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First off I'm Agnostic... but I don't see why God and science can't be included on the same side of the argument.
Peoples have spent countless generations believing that their Gods were everything from monkeys to the sun, and killed people for challenging it.
Science taught that for centuries that the earth was flat, and killed people for challenging it.
Who are we to say that anything is absolute?
Is it possible that our God is a supreme being in that he has conquered death, illness, and even physical borders... through science?
AND that he our God (possibly one of many) has an even higher being as his God? Possibly one of many?
That is just as likely as the religions or that we're only mortal and have always been manipulated by men using religion as a tool.
Personally I can't go by religion. It's too riddled with politics and manipulation.
Only my heart, my experience, and science.
They all lead me to "believe" that there is a further existence beyond our present physical state.
I DON'T believe that it will be all bliss and roses. Just the next step.
I choose to pursue a more positive, good, and enriching existence beyond this one and "hope" that I can have some effect on it.

I look at it like this gang... IF there is an existence beyond this one, all I'll be able to take with me, is my conscience. I'd rather it be light than heavy!

Peace Love and Biscuits & Gravy brothers and sisters


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