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We demonize a starving child in a third world country for throwing her baby over a fence and glorify a rich woman whom pays a doctor to murder her unborn child for schedules convenience.
wrong.

But, it IS sick fu*cks who believe that who toss crying babies over a wall like that.

Like you, who can't see a difference between forming cells and a completed living being.

When does it cross that threshold of being cells, or equivalent to your finger nail, to being a human?
Tell us Mike.

Didn't you say something about Arbitrary Meaning recently?

Do you have an answer, or is that just what YOU believe?

The vast majority of mothers who abort suffer many psychological problems, sometimes the guilt can overwhelm them....

Gee, being harassed at clinics by people calling 'em BABYKILLERS might have something to do with it.

The vast majority of women at abortion clinics are NOT harassed. The psychological problems are deep rooted by guilt. Sometimes years later they have problems. Very many of them regret making that decision and it has nothing to do with other people calling them names. It has everything to do with their own conscience. There's nothing good about abortion. For the health of the mother sometimes it's necessary. I understand that. But to abort simply because you don't want the child has deep repercussions that last a lifetime. Giving a child up for adoption is a much better way to go...

Did that baby survive?
What was the follow up?

I would have snapped that little bitches neck (mother) like a popsicle stick if I had been a part of that 'discovery'.

Decry me for violence, irony, hypocrisy, or whatever you want to throw in there, but I assure you I would have done it.

We demonize a starving child in a third world country for throwing her baby over a fence and glorify a rich woman whom pays a doctor to murder her unborn child for schedules convenience.
wrong.

But, it IS sick fu*cks who believe that who toss crying babies over a wall like that.

Like you, who can't see a difference between forming cells and a completed living being.

When does it cross that threshold of being cells, or equivalent to your finger nail, to being a human?
Tell us Mike.

Didn't you say something about Arbitrary Meaning recently?

Do you have an answer, or is that just what YOU believe?

"Electrical brain activity is first detected between the 5th and 6th week of gestation, though this is still considered primitive neural activity rather than the beginning of conscious thought, something that develops much later in fetation. Synapses begin forming at 17 weeks, and at about week 28 begin to multiply at a rapid pace which continues until 3–4 months after birth. It is not until week 23 that the fetus can survive, albeit with major medical support, outside of the womb, because it does not possess a sustainable human brain until that time"

SOURCE: WIKIPEDIA

The vast majority of mothers who abort suffer many psychological problems, sometimes the guilt can overwhelm them....

Gee, being harassed at clinics by people calling 'em BABYKILLERS might have something to do with it.

The vast majority of women at abortion clinics are NOT harassed. The psychological problems are deep rooted by guilt. Sometimes years later they have problems. Very many of them regret making that decision and it has nothing to do with other people calling them names. It has everything to do with their own conscience. There's nothing good about abortion. For the health of the mother sometimes it's necessary. I understand that. But to abort simply because you don't want the child has deep repercussions that last a lifetime. Giving a child up for adoption is a much better way to go...

People like you drum it into their heads that a fetus=baby, when it is not. CONSTANTLY. This f**ks with their heads! Of course they have psychological problems.

"It isnt a pizza until it comes out of the oven!" - Kramer in 'The Couch' episode of Seinfeld.

To each their own; IF there is a God and it is a sin, then it is between He/She/It and the 2 parents... and more so to the woman that will bear it, and is truly nobody else's business.

"don't judge lest ye be judged"

"It isnt a pizza until it comes out of the oven!" - Kramer in 'The Couch' episode of Seinfeld.

If you've ever read Boiled Angel Comics you'd realize what I'm laughing at. The image would get me banned, hunted down, castrated, dismembered, and burned at the stake if I posted it!

"It isnt a pizza until it comes out of the oven!" - Kramer in 'The Couch' episode of Seinfeld.

If you've ever read Boiled Angel Comics you'd realize what I'm laughing at. The image would get me banned, hunted down, castrated, dismembered, and burned at the stake if I posted it!

I am opposed to abortion and yet somehow sickly curious...

But i will leave my opposition at that. I am WAY too extreme in myopinion of abortion to put my tirade up again. It all boils down to choice.

The vast majority of mothers who abort suffer many psychological problems, sometimes the guilt can overwhelm them....

Gee, being harassed at clinics by people calling 'em BABYKILLERS might have something to do with it.

The vast majority of women at abortion clinics are NOT harassed. The psychological problems are deep rooted by guilt. Sometimes years later they have problems. Very many of them regret making that decision and it has nothing to do with other people calling them names. It has everything to do with their own conscience. There's nothing good about abortion. For the health of the mother sometimes it's necessary. I understand that. But to abort simply because you don't want the child has deep repercussions that last a lifetime. Giving a child up for adoption is a much better way to go...

People like you drum it into their heads that a fetus=baby, when it is not. CONSTANTLY. This f**ks with their heads! Of course they have psychological problems.

First of all there is no people "like me," just as there is no people like you either. Second, a fetus is NOT a baby. A fetus left undisturbed will most likely develop into a baby. Either you believe it is perfectly okay to destroy a fetus or you don't. I say it is NOT perfectly okay to destroy a fetus. I say it is NOT a crime. I do say and it has been proven that the majority of women who elect for abortion are haunted by their decision the rest of their life, and it HAS NOTHIJNG TO DO WITH WHAT ANYBODY ELSE SAYS. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION. It has everything to do with people who are not careful with their behavior and do not PLAN to have a child. It has everything to do with people who use abortion as a form of contraception. The vast majority of people are good. The vast majority have something to give to the world. Out of the 50 MILLION plus abortions think of what we might have lost. One or more of those people could have found a cure for cancer. There could have been the greatest guitarist of all time. There could have been a future President of the United States. There could have been another Michael Jordan. Perhaps afuture band member of yours. Of the more than 50 MILLION potential human beings the amount of good they could have given the world will never be known. That is the saddest legacy of abortion...

First of all there is no people "like me," just as there is no people like you either. Second, a fetus is NOT a baby. A fetus left undisturbed will most likely develop into a baby. Either you believe it is perfectly okay to destroy a fetus or you don't. I say it is NOT perfectly okay to destroy a fetus. I say it is NOT a crime. I do say and it has been proven that the majority of women who elect for abortion are haunted by their decision the rest of their life, and it HAS NOTHIJNG TO DO WITH WHAT ANYBODY ELSE SAYS. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION. It has everything to do with people who are not careful with their behavior and do not PLAN to have a child. It has everything to do with people who use abortion as a form of contraception. The vast majority of people are good. The vast majority have something to give to the world. Out of the 50 MILLION plus abortions think of what we might have lost. One or more of those people could have found a cure for cancer. There could have been the greatest guitarist of all time. There could have been a future President of the United States. There could have been another Michael Jordan. Perhaps afuture band member of yours. Of the more than 50 MILLION potential human beings the amount of good they could have given the world will never be known. That is the saddest legacy of abortion...

One or more of those people could have been the worst people in history. Worse than Hitler! That's just arguing hypotheticals and doesn't get us anywhere. The world is already overpopulated. The Earth cannot sustain it's current population...and you want MORE? What do you want us to do? Live off the carcasses of each other like Soylent Green? People aren't going to reach their full potential in such a stressed environment. China had to ban people from having more than one kid! Do you really want to go THERE? Also, people who use abortion as a form of contraception is mostly an ugly myth. I'm sure a few do, just by the law of averages. But, it's a big decision people take seriously. By and large, it's done pretty reluctantly, out of desperation.

I wonder why more people don't decide on adoption. It's safer, cleaner, and more fair.

I wonder why more people don't decide on adoption. It's safer, cleaner, and more fair.

Uh, it is also painful and expensive. It'd be nice if more people did that, rather than abort. It would be fulfilling an existing need, couples who want kids but can't have them.

Juno was a good movie. The Gen X guy played by Jason Bateman was kind a dick. But, the title character was nice.

Sorry to be chiming in here, but adoption isn't the saccarine-sweet solution that many ppl say it is. To know one's child is out there, alive, yet never to be seen, for some, is worse than the after-effects of abortion, & not you or anyone else can predict how anything will affect anyone with absolute certainty.

Abortion is not simply "post-coital contraception," for everyone. For some, it's a very real, very therapeutic solution to rape or incest. For others, it's a relief in stopping an abnormal fetus from becoming born. For others, yes, it's an escape, but there are none of us who can determine how it will affect any particular woman, any more than we can say it is a right or wrong thing to do.

I've known women who were deeply affected by their choice, & others who seemed whole, hale, hearty & healthy, in spite of making that decision in the past, for one reason or another. It is NOT the choice of society, &, though it pains me to say it, it is NOT a man's decision to make. There isn't a damned one of us of the male persuasion that can possibly understand the process of giving birth from a woman's view, or her decision to carry full term or not. It most certainly, then, is NOT a topic for us to sit on our high horses & decide that "this is good" or "this is bad."

We, each of us, must have the freedom to determine what occurs within our own bodies, of those things which lie within our personal control. To tell anyone that she must do this or that with her own flesh is a form of societal slavery that I cannot condone.