General Music Chat

I just think that everyone in this country has become too thin skinned and too condescending. Me included!
We need to be less worried about what each other is doing and more concerned about the big picture... there won't be any future for the kids if things continue on.
We should reserve our bitching for the people that are causing much greater harms on ALL of us. Namely our so called representatives and law enforcement agencies.
How about we keep our perception and priorities on ensuring a future for each other, rather than tearing each other down?!


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Smoking is a choice. If someone chooses to smoke it is their business. When they deprive someone else of breathing smoke free air, then is is a self centered inconsiderate act. So even though you have the right to smoke, you don't have the right to deprive others of breathing smoke free air. However, I think banning smoking out doors is going a bit far.

Well nearly everybody in my family smoked around me, and starting at age 7 I smoked myself and have for 45 years... I'm fine!
Now just how bad can second hand smoke be???

I say it's a petty argument.

People don't mind letting the TSA grope their kids but whine when someone lights a cigarette around em?

people are fukd up!

The fact is if everybody were so worried about their kids futures and REALLY wanted to do something about it, they would be raising hell all day every day about how our government is selling it out to corporate Amerika, not whining about cigarette smokers!!!!!!!!!

And Chaeya, I appreciated SOME of your comment, but your main argument is no different than this one.... "With all the pedophiles out there, who have ACTUAL SEX with children, I am not going to worry about any of them who only feel up my daughter!"

No Craig, that's not what I'm saying at all. If you'd bothered to "get" what I'm saying, the gist of what I said was "I have bigger fish to fry" right now. I said I feel stupid going after a smoker when I get to sit in traffic all day breathing exhaust fumes. Living in a house next to electrical transformers. Giving a seven year old a cell phone that they can glue to their ear and get brain cancer. Sorry, those are the big fish I'd like to get first. Once that's cleaned up, then we can talk about the evil smokers.

And you can't compare a pedophile to smoking. Bad analogy. Just wrong wrong wrong. Dude, if you're feeling up a little kid, you're a f**k pedophile, it has nothing to do with "actual sex." You sound like those guys that say "but it was a blowjob" not "actual sex." A blowjob is still cheating. You're looking to get sexual gratification from someone other than your partner. It's cheating. You touch a little kid and start creaming your pants or getting boners, YOU'RE A PEDOPHILE! They will hunt you down and put you in jail for that off the bat. You go and expose your wanker to a group of little kids and don't think your face won't be on the evening news with everyone looking for you.

Smoking sucks, I agree, but it seems everyone I know who's gotten cancer, only one of them smoked, the rest were non-smokers living in non-smoking households. Go down to the cancer ward at your children's hospital and do a statistic of how many them lived in households with smokers. I mean where they smoked in the house and not outside. I've known more smokers die of heart attacks than actual cancer. My grandfather lived to 82 and he smoked almost two packs a day. He died of a heart attack. My other two uncles smoked and died of heart attacks then my other uncle died of a heart attack and he never smoked a day in his life. They were all around the same age. My dad also never smoked, eats fairly well, is a golf addict and plays every day he can and walks without the cart, he just had a double bypass. Heart attacks run in their family.

I can't go so far as to say smoking flat out is child abuse in and of itself. Driving and smoking in the car with the windows up shows a complete lack of regard for you and your kids, but then where's the limit? Child services is already overtaxed as it is. You add smokers to the list and then what? You make it against the law, who's going to prosecute them? Put them in jail with convicted felons because they smoked around their kid?

Everybody wants this stuff done but we just don't have the resources to do it. Our jails are already overcrowded, and like I said, it costs us already $6 billion in tax dollars to prosecute and house inmates with marijuana offenses.

Like I said, I have bigger fish to fry.

Chaeya

Acceepting and taking responsibility ! Thanks Mr Nobody.

Nuff said ![/quote]

If I, a 45 year smoker develop cancer, it will likely be due to:
Eating chemical poisons
Drinking chemical poisons
and Breathing chemical poisons from factory smokestacks and vehicle exhaust, not from cigarettes!


P.S. my Mother and Sister both died from cancer, and both were non smokers that lead very healthy lifestyles.

Hayden, this is not only about cancer brother. There are MANY health risks associated with smoking!


FACTS AND FIGURES FROM THE CDC:


Smoking and Death

Smoking causes death.

•The adverse health effects from cigarette smoking account for an estimated 443,000 deaths, or nearly one of every five deaths, each year in the United States.2,3
•More deaths are caused each year by tobacco use than by all deaths from human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), illegal drug use, alcohol use, motor vehicle injuries, suicides, and murders combined.2,4
•Smoking causes 90% of all lung cancer deaths in men and 80% of all lung cancer deaths in women.1
•An estimated 90% of all deaths from chronic obstructive lung disease are caused by smoking.1

Smoking and Increased Health Risks

Compared with nonsmokers, smoking is estimated to increase the risk of—

•coronary heart disease by 2 to 4 times1,5
•stroke by 2 to 4 times1,6
•men developing lung cancer by 23 times1
•women developing lung cancer by 13 times,1 and
•dying from chronic obstructive lung diseases (such as chronic bronchitis and emphysema) by 12 to 13 times.1

Smoking and Cardiovascular Disease

•Smoking causes coronary heart disease, the leading cause of death in the United States.1
•Cigarette smoking causes reduced circulation by narrowing the blood vessels (arteries) and puts smokers at risk of developing peripheral vascular disease (i.e., obstruction of the large arteries in the arms and legs that can cause a range of problems from pain to tissue loss or gangrene).1,7
•Smoking causes abdominal aortic aneurysm (i.e., a swelling or weakening of the main artery of the body—the aorta—where it runs through the abdomen).1

Smoking and Respiratory Disease

•Smoking causes lung cancer.1,2
•Smoking causes lung diseases (e.g., emphysema, bronchitis, chronic airway obstruction) by damaging the airways and alveoli (i.e., small air sacs) of the lungs.1,2

Smoking and Cancer

Smoking causes the following cancers:1

•Acute myeloid leukemia
•Bladder cancer
•Cancer of the cervix
•Cancer of the esophagus
•Kidney cancer
•Cancer of the larynx (voice box)
•Lung cancer
•Cancer of the oral cavity (mouth)
•Cancer of the pharynx (throat)
•Stomach cancer
•Cancer of the uterus

Smoking and Other Health Effects

Smoking is associated with the following adverse health effects:

•infertility,
•preterm delivery,
•stillbirth,
•low birth weight, and
•sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS).1,8


Smoking is associated with the following adverse health effects:8

•Postmenopausal women who smoke have lower bone density than women who never smoked.
•Women who smoke have an increased risk for hip fracture than women who never smoked.

http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/health_effects/effects_cig_smoking/

Man I don't give ANY credence to Government Agency figures!

The CDC, FDA, WHO... they have done nothing but cover for Big Pharma and Big Agra for decades now.

I'll stick to what I know from facts from my life and what I observe independently... So I'll repeat:

Nearly everybody in my family smoked around me, and starting at age 7 I smoked myself and have for 45 years... I'm fine!
Now just how bad can second hand smoke be???

my Mother and Sister both died from cancer, and both were non smokers that lead very healthy lifestyles.

When I was a kid, for over 5 decades at that point 50% of adult Americans were smokers. ... cancer was unheard of!

The only thing that bums me out about this smoking bit is when a pregnant woman puffs away for 9 months.

Cigarettes are nothing more than a scape goat for Big Agra, Big Pharma and Industry to continue on poisoning us in the name of higher profits (and I believe a larger agenda) while hiding their guilt by diverting our focus onto one industry.

Wake Up People!

Cigarettes are bottom rung of threats to your children's health and safety.

Save your kids from the real threat to their future and focus your anger where it belongs... and that's not on each other or scape goats.
It's on those that allow and facilitate their future to be corrupted and sold out!


"divide, and conquer"




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Hayden, it is VERY likely that you are NOT fine, brother!

And being "fine" is a relevant term isn't it? I have known tough guys, that were coughing up blood, and claimed they were "fine". Being "ALIVE" is the very minimum state of being, from which to operate from. You have ONE LIFE to live brother, and your QUALITY OF LIFE, is being diminished, without doubt! I have smoked 2 to 3 packs a day for DECADES! You and I know VERY WELL, how it shortens our breath, depletes our energy, affects our voices, and.... whatever other illnesses are lurking below the surface, waiting to reveal themselves more clearly, the older we get. If you rob yourself of 10 years, or even 5 years of your life... you will NEVER get them back!


And please stop mixing apples and oranges! People enjoy over-eating too, or eating very unhealthy foods, and this results in obesity, and other maladies, that also affect our longevity and our quality of life. As I tried to convey to Chaeya, just because there are WORSE threats in life, does not mean that we should overlook the COMMON THREAT right before us, when THOSE THREATS are withing our power to prevent!

You are dealing with a smoker here dude!

I certainly believe in the FREEDOM to do what you will, with your life, but I would just like to see a little HONESTY about it! Not... "I'm fine" but instead... "I know smoking is dangerous and bad for my health, but I choose to accept that, for the enjoyment I get out of nicotine!"

THAT I would respect.

And FORCING smoke into children's lungs? NOT ACCEPTABLE!

Well then we'll just agree to disagree on this one Craig because I don't believe that smoking is any more dangerous than breathing our polluted air. And it even has health benefits (like enough to do a final thesis on)

Though me mum smoked throughout her pregnancies, I turned out okie-dokey, as did my sister. I'm far more worried about the recently added BS to make cigs "fire safe," but, with me, even that ain't an issue, cuz I do NOT smoke FCS's.

But, then, I'm also far more worried about food additives that I seem to have a harder time avoiding...& the mandatory vaccinations I had...& the meds that have been dumped into my system over the years by an experimental (emphasis on "mental") medical & pharmaceutical community...etc.

I come from at least 3 generations of smokers...no, wait...I'd hafta include me native Am background, too...so I have no idea HOW many gen's it's been...but, considering the family line still exists & is running strong, I'm not too concerned about other ppl's concerns, either for me OR mine.

Oh, & as far as being a "responsible adult" goes, I am well aware of my son's AND my grandson's needs. I don't need you to tell them to me. Thank you very much for your concern, but I have decided that it is misplaced, as is my RIGHT as a man of voting age in this formerly fine country (I say "formerly," referring to those wonderful years of actual freedom that existed before the meddlers began to take control). If my gov't should decide to take control over my life, & that of my family...well...expect to see another "terrorist" on the horizon, because I, & hundreds of thousands of ppl just like me, will not take it sitting on our laurels.

Smoking is great after sex.