General Music Chat

See? It all depends upon WHICH statistics you wish to cite, Mike & Paul.

Until you can prove - absolutely, unequivocably, & unarguably prove - that what a parent is doing WILL harm a child, you have no business intervening in the affairs of others.

What you have is a mere opinion, one that is shared by a lot of ppl, I grant you, but that doesn't make it a FACT.

We are all fed, clothed, aerosoled innumerable carcinogens, every single second of every single daym but you know what? NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT ALL OF THOSE CARCINOGENS WILL GIVE YOU CANCER! Even ppl who are exposed to asbestos don't always get cancer, folks. Remember how it's been used for decades as an insulation, in public schools & other buildings, as well as in home construction. I had my face smashed into asbestos shingles used as siding before, but I do not expect to get mesothelioma from it.

Pick your battles more carefully, cuz at the moment, you, & thousands of opinionated, misinformed meddlers like you, are treading where you shouldn't. Come into the light & see the truth.

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Sorry ... you are wrong. The FEDERAL Employee's whom placed that child back with his parents are not liable by law.

I did my part as an RN when I registered my written objection.
The mother went into a psych institution. Her husband fled back to Mexico.

This sh*t happens all the time. The general public does not hear about it.
And the information is " privileged " and protected by HIPPA.

Sounds like BS to me. Dead kid and the people who put him there not liable? I think not.

It is BS Mike. Another reason I will soon be out of health-care ... forever.

See? It all depends upon WHICH statistics you wish to cite, Mike & Paul.

Until you can prove - absolutely, unequivocably, & unarguably prove - that what a parent is doing WILL harm a child, you have no business intervening in the affairs of others.

What you have is a mere opinion, one that is shared by a lot of ppl, I grant you, but that doesn't make it a FACT.

We are all fed, clothed, aerosoled innumerable carcinogens, every single second of every single daym but you know what? NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT ALL OF THOSE CARCINOGENS WILL GIVE YOU CANCER! Even ppl who are exposed to asbestos don't always get cancer, folks. Remember how it's been used for decades as an insulation, in public schools & other buildings, as well as in home construction. I had my face smashed into asbestos shingles used as siding before, but I do not expect to get mesothelioma from it.

Pick your battles more carefully, cuz at the moment, you, & thousands of opinionated, misinformed meddlers like you, are treading where you shouldn't. Come into the light & see the truth.

Many geneticist now believe that Cancer has little or nothing to do with environment. And more and more research of ancient human remains show signs of cancer. Though rare because most cancers affect only soft tissues so little archeological evidence remains.

My wife worked in the nicu. Those stories of abusive parents like George told kill me. Stabbing pains. I truly love children. I always have. Even when I was little babies and I were drawn to each other.

Paul, you have a child fetish and it is not healthy.

That is extremely offensive. I grew up with a mother who cared for foster kids and then babysat my whole life. My whole family loves children.

Until you can prove - absolutely, unequivocably, & unarguably prove - that what a parent is doing WILL harm a child, you have no business intervening in the affairs of others.

Apparently several states have decided that it has been proven harmful. Furthermore I don't think it needs to proven harmful. I think if it might be harmful it needs to stop.

AH! THAT's what I'm talking about - you have a LOT of pride, when you think your thoughts, your opinions, should rule the actions of others!

Bad argument, Paul. It only proves that you would rule me, & that, sir, I cannot abide.

The only thing you should be worried about is if I'm smoking around YOUR kids, NOT MY OWN!

I mean, there are lots of ppl out there that think your religion, or your country, or your choice of food or clothing or hygiene or whatever"could" be harmful. Will you bow to their demands? I think not. How dare you make any demands of me, not by law, not by enforcement, not by ratting me out, when those idiot laws get passed by well-intentioned, misinformed idiots.

The only thing you should be worried about is if I'm smoking around YOUR kids, NOT MY OWN!

So, what you're saying is you have the right to poison your own kids and not his? If it is absolute proof you require that you are causing harm it should work both ways. Forcing HIS kids to inhale your smoke would be fine, from the position you've taken. Would he not have grounds that you are harming HIS kids?

Reread my post, Mike. I covered that.

You have yet to prove that I am "poisoning" anyone.

I didnt follow the first 2 parts but as for the third part. All kids need to be protected from obviously you. You will think about this whole conversation next time you want light up in the car with precious Jace. If you go ahead and light up when you know for a fact that it may be harming him then you are obstinate and wrong. Unnecessary risk for personal pleasure.

Having your kids in your car to go to the movies is "unnecessary risk," Paul.

You have yet to prove that I am poisoning anyone, or how I am a danger to anyone.

Reread my post, Mike. I covered that.

You have yet to prove that I am "poisoning" anyone.

Your own argument states that smoking is harmless, because your dad smoked around you and you became a smoker. So, forcing your kids to inhale your smoke in an enclosed space is not harming them. However, if you did the same to someone else's kids they would be within their rights to object simply because it is THEIR kids. Not because you did any harm to their kids. Correct?

No, Mike. A parent has the right to choose the environment for his family, to a degree. He does NOT have the right to limit my smoking out of doors, or in my own home, or in my own car, or in a tobacconist's shop, or on a sidewalk anywhere in this fine country. He CAN, however, limit my smoking in HIS home, HIS car, & he can choose NOT to go to those places where I smoke. otherwise. He can keep his kids away from me if he wishes, as well. I don't find that offensive at all.

I can't wait for the first social services rep to come to my house to tell me I can't smoke in the same room as any member of my family. Chances are he'll be found in a hole in my back yard with the revenuers.

Now tell me how BBQ & plastics in your microwave are NECESSARY, cuz I have PROVEN that that is just a bullshit idea.

You wanna start a campaign against non-health, you'd be better to start with Kraft Foods, Monsanto, etc - somewhere you may do the greater good without interfering in ppl's PERSONAL SPACE, & you can face real evil, rather than somte personal gripe. You can keep those to yourself, cuz we're talking about MY home, MY car, MY family, & MY personal choices in life. You are free to do as you will, as long as you don't MEDDLE in the affairs of others. That, sir, is the eleventh commandment in my household.
Let's face it Paul mind your own business,you want to do something go
on the road and educate people don't crucify them.
I doubt very much you have ever taken up a cause to where you want to have somebody arrested for something.
When you do,go to those kids you are trying to protect and explain to them we have to take you away from your parents because they don't raise you right.Now don't worry kids You have got the law on your side.
While your at it be sure and contribute financially to the childrens future
and be sure to be there at night to comfort them because there parents are not good enough to do that."A tempest in a tea pot".

I daresay that the healthier things I do for my family more than balance out the unhealthy bits I could find in your own households, if I looked. I wouldn't, of course, because I KNOW HOW TO MIND MY OWN BUSINESS.

You have yet to prove that I am "poisoning" anyone.

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In the car
Americans spend a great deal of time in cars, and if someone smokes there, hazardous levels of smoke can build up quickly. Again, this can be especially harmful to children.

In response to this fact, the US Environmental Protection Agency has a special program to encourage people to make their cars, as well as their homes, smoke-free. And some states have laws that ban smoking in the car if carrying passengers under the age of 17.

The source
http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercaus ... hand-smoke