General Music Chat

Was this lady any relation to "The Wounderful World Of The Whites" family?

I don't get it.

I dunno, Paul. It really IS a slippery slope when you start interfering with how ppl interact within their own family units. What's next? Will you start policing what I choose to feed my family? BBQ'ing delivers a bunch of carcinogens into the system, too, ol' bud. Do you BBQ? Do you use your microwave with plastics? More carcinogens! Do you feed your kids dippy eggs? Processed cheese food product? Corn syrup? Flouride toothpaste? Glutinous wheat products? Farm-raised tuna? Artificial coloring? Do you use SPF on them when they go outside? My god, man! YOU'RE KILLING YOUR KIDS & YOU MUST BE STOPPED!!!!

You wanna monitor what TV shows we watch together? What type of language I use around them? What games we play together? How I dress them? Do you worry about their self esteem at my hands, too? We all know I can be pretty brutal. I may be damaging them in some way!

I have shown both Jace AND his father how to use a toilet. In SOME ppl's minds, that is perverse. Should they be able to interfere with how I potty train, too? How far you wanna take this stuff?

Yeah, what ppl do can bug ya. Get over it. We're just ppl, & we are NOT gonna do what you'd prefer us to do all the time. The life lessons Jace & my son have gotten from me have mostly been pretty damned good. I'm not perfect, & I'm not gonna try to be, in spite of the fact that you think I should try to be. In MY mind, it's just as important to show a child that it's okay to be less than perfect, or you may end up with some pretty flooked up kids.

Would you like ME to interfere with YOUR personal lifestyle or habits or hygiene or parenting techniques? I think not. Ppl in this country have become quite self-righteous about way too f*cking much. It's time we started to mind our own business. Live & let live. Shut the hell up instead of interfering in the lives of others. Ain't a damned one of us perfect, so go to work on your own damned self & leave me the hell alone.

One of the prices of freedom is that we must allow ppl to make their own mistakes, & the paltry amounts of carcinogens I feed my family will continue, whether you like it or not, & will be far better for them than to teach them to meddle in the affairs of others, or to allow others to do so to them.

So, while you may think me a butt-head, I think it's best if you butt out of how I treat my family, cuz I am far better for them than the state would be, no matter how many of those meddlers are employed by the state.

And the first cop that tries to hand me a ticket for anything like this will have to arrest me, cuz I'm gonna create quite a disturbance over it all...AND, I promise you, I will carry my rage into court as well. If the state wants to rule me so completely, they better damned well feed, clothe & house my ass while they're at it.

All of those things are neccesary. Eating, brushing teeth etc. Where I find I can eliminate danger I do. We try to eat healthier. I don't think you should cuss at or in front of your kids. I don't think we should cuss. That doesnt deliver carcinogens. I'm not telling anybody how they should raise their kids. However, unecessary carcinogens is my final stand. Smoking a cigarette is unnecessary.

Generally, people should just mind their own business. "We gotta save the precious children!" is usually a lame excuse for other agendas. But, if someone is visibly harming their kids like this, first they need a talking to. They may just be too thick to realize what they are doing. If they don't care. If they blow you off. And you've got the law supporting your view that THIS IS WRONG. Turn them in. A visit from social services will straighten the f**k out.

I can't wait for the first social services rep to come to my house to tell me I can't smoke in the same room as any member of my family. Chances are he'll be found in a hole in my back yard with the revenuers.

Now tell me how BBQ & plastics in your microwave are NECESSARY, cuz I have PROVEN that that is just a bullshit idea.

You wanna start a campaign against non-health, you'd be better to start with Kraft Foods, Monsanto, etc - somewhere you may do the greater good without interfering in ppl's PERSONAL SPACE, & you can face real evil, rather than some personal gripe. You can keep those to yourself, cuz we're talking about MY home, MY car, MY family, & MY personal choices in life. You are free to do as you will, as long as you don't MEDDLE in the affairs of others. That, sir, is the eleventh commandment in my household.

I daresay that the healthier things I do for my family more than balance out the unhealthy bits I could find in your own households, if I looked. I wouldn't, of course, because I KNOW HOW TO MIND MY OWN BUSINESS.

Keep going down this slippery slope and it will be illegal to fart in your own home.

Oh. I thought that was already illegal.

I can't wait for the first social services rep to come to my house to tell me I can't smoke in the same room as any member of my family. Chances are he'll be found in a hole in my back yard with the revenuers.

Now tell me how BBQ & plastics in your microwave are NECESSARY, cuz I have PROVEN that that is just a bullshit idea.

You wanna start a campaign against non-health, you'd be better to start with Kraft Foods, Monsanto, etc - somewhere you may do the greater good without interfering in ppl's PERSONAL SPACE, & you can face real evil, rather than some personal gripe. You can keep those to yourself, cuz we're talking about MY home, MY car, MY family, & MY personal choices in life. You are free to do as you will, as long as you don't MEDDLE in the affairs of others. That, sir, is the eleventh commandment in my household.

I daresay that the healthier things I do for my family more than balance out the unhealthy bits I could find in your own households, if I looked. I wouldn't, of course, because I KNOW HOW TO MIND MY OWN BUSINESS.

Eating is the necessary part. BBQ is not. We are not microwaving plastic since we found out.

Keep to myself? What? I guess if you have to face the reality of what I say - that you are being selfish by smoking around innocent children - it convicts you. It makes you feel guilty because you KNOW I'M RIGHT. You can't wait for the ride to be over? It is not necessary. Love is not how you feel about somebody it's how you treat them.

Keep it to myself? Calling the law on you for doing it would be not keeping to myself. Typing about it does not affect you. At least it only affects your conscience. That's whats burning you. That's why you said I was meddling. Meddling would be telling you how to teach, or dress your child. Or telling you the religion you need to teach your child. I'm not telling you how to raise a child. I'm telling you not to poison them. Like I said that's the stand I'm taking. I'm not budging. It is UNNECESSARY DOSES OF POISON.

Someone who willfully doses a kid with carcinogens is wrong.

I still disagree. As far as being "convicted," I stand firm in my conviction that it is WRONG for the law to invade my car or my home, or to decide what is best for my family.

Especially since this is the very same gov't that once claimed that tobacco use was GOOD for you. As far as I am concerned, the gov't rules on anything I decide to do to my family, short of actual abusive harm, which this is NOT, do not apply to me & mine, & I WILL NOT BOW.

Face it, Paul - we will never agree upon this, or many other subjects.

It is not short of actual abusive harm. It is exactly that. That is a medically proven fact. Vying it is allowing your physical addiction to affect your logical reasoning. And it can be prevented by telling yourself no until the car ride is over. It is a simple as that. You are simply letting your " you can't tell me what to do" mindset affect the care you give an innocent child.

Sorry, but, to quote popeye, "I yam what I yam."

If I be wrong, then I be wrong.

As far as your "proven facts" go, all I can say is that there have been so many "facts" that have been "proven" about tobacco, that I refuse to listen to a damned one of them anymore. This could just be some stupid attempt by meddlers to attack the voudoun religion, considering all of the tripe that has been spouted on the subject.

For every "fact" that you come up with, I'm sure I can find a "fact" to counter it, Paul.


That being said, either you are completely bamboozled by an invasive activist media, or you are a meddler every time you pick up your phone to report some abuser of this stupid law. I really think it's the former, which is a point in your favor, but meddling is meddling, no matter the context.

Phil

You smoked weed before, right?

Would you FORCE a child, an infant, to get high with you in an enclosed space? Would you get a baby high?

Well, no one ever died from smoking marijuana. But, tobacco kills millions of people. You're an adult. They're not.

I think the thousands of people dead every year from tobacco proves that fact. You are in substance influenced denial if you think otherwise. Tobacco is a poison with or without the additives.

As for the activist media? Did you forget I don't have tv or get the paper? I don't jump on bandwagons. I'm no tree hugger either.

This stand is purely motivated by an overwhelming love for children.

You can hold to your stand as firmly as I am. It won't change the fact that smoking around kids is wrong.

Mike, I grew up with it to a far greater degree than either my son or my grandson. So did my sister. I grew up to be a smoker, She did not. Neither of us, nor our parents, developed cancer.

Would you FORCE other ppl to live what you consider to be a healthier lifestyle? If you saw someone living in a dirty household, fulla bacteria, would you call the authorities "for the children?"

Gimme a break. You act as though I'm playing Russian Roulette, & that is simply NOT the case, here, in spite of your beliefs, & the media misinformation on the subject.

You may live your way, & believe anything you wish, but once you step over that line to make ppl comply with your ideas, your "firm beliefs" about what is "better," you have become a meddler, & anti-American, imho.

My love of liberty and the sanctity of the family unit over rides my love of children I guess.

Social Services ?

Don't make me cry. Those bastards made me sign out a " special needs " child to his recently paroled mother and drug dealing father from a children's care center.

I told them ( the case workers, two of them ) " Your making a mistake"
" These people are only interested in the little boys income from the state "
I was told I was "obstructing justice for the child belonged with his parents."

He was locked in a closet, starved and tortured with cigarette burns for two weeks before he died.

Social services my ass.

Phil, Denial much? Asthma emphysema cancer.