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If you are trying to make some sort of point............
You are doing what every liberal ,yes we have the right to legally steal is doing.
I can sense your frustration. Have you thought about "VIAGRA" or just plain celibacy. Oh I forgot,,,, you are just NOBODY.

The impotence that liberal thinkers must feel when real ,honest ,hardworking,people say... NO MORE STEALING!!!!!!

Once again, I feel the need to point out that "unemployment benefits" are nothing more than an insurance policy for the American worker.

It may be a mandatory one, but that's all it is, & I am glad that we have it, even though I haven't "benefited" from it since around 1977 or so.

I don't mind paying into the fund. I consider it a part of my pay, as we all should. It isn't socialist in nature. It's good common sense.

My .02.

Once again, I feel the need to point out that "unemployment benefits" are nothing more than an insurance policy for the American worker.

It may be a mandatory one, but that's all it is, & I am glad that we have it, even though I haven't "benefited" from it since around 1977 or so.

I don't mind paying into the fund. I consider it a part of my pay, as we all should. It isn't socialist in nature. It's good common sense.

My .02.

I respectfully disagree. Taking money from one person to benefit another without their consent is not only socialist.
It's stealing.
Let me pay into and draw from my own account.
And allow me to choose where and when to be charitable.

Tell that to your car insurance co, or your health insurance co...

It's how insurance works, sans. You pay into a fund, & use it when disaster strikes. If you don't use it, chances are that someone else will.

Ain't socialism. It's just good business. Protect yourself with it. Yeah, it gets abused. That's why we have insurance investigators...& lawyers...& courts...&...

Car, medical, all forms of insurance is a BUSINESS.
( and not more than a legalized protection racket )
They are supposed to profit.
Not the same thing

Apples and oranges my friend.

The government taking money from the governed and then using it contrary to the law and constitution is a crime.

I think, since gov't has such a hand in our employed lives, that it SHOULD take on the responsibilities of the unemployment insurance. Hell, they're gonna eventually take over the health care industry, too, aren't they?



Your auto insurance is mandatory. So should your unemployment insurance.

Look. you can't just dump a whole bunch of ppl out on the street in any given area, due to a major employer shutting down, or outsourcing all its labor force. It has devastating effects on a community when this happens. Crime escalates. Ppl live in the street. Disease blossoms like...well...like a disease.

We have determined that it is safer for the community at large, & for our individuals, to insure their jobs. Not indefinitely, mind you, but long enough for most of them to get started to get back on their feet. It's in the best interest of all of us to do this.

I think it's still a viable & useful addendum to our income, & appreciate the security it gives me, especially in this modern economic climate. I don't understand anyone who can't see that, but heck...I don't understand much of that which opposes me & my beliefs, so my confusion ain't unusual at all.

It is totally socialist in nature Phil. It steals from people that work hard and put all their resources on the line every day. People that share,care and give more than you realize. What you are talking about is pure theft. Transfer of wealth from the backbone of America to the spineless that would rather collect unemployment for 2 years than work at 7/11.
I have one customer that works a "good job" , he also gets up every morning at 2 am to deliver newspapers before he goes to work. He wants to maintain his obligations to his family and his country. The last time he had a service problem,I could have charged him 4 or 500 bucks. I didn't, and he has re payed me in ways I couldn't put a value on.[word of mouth ,new customers] The point is this guy is trying to do everything he can to meet his obligations.
Some one on unemployment for 2 years is not. They are just using the system to legally STEAL.
Sorry, I hate thieves.

If you read the post I put up before some moron got involved, it clearly states that the government was making me responsible for their failure as a company to maintain an employee. That furthermore I should be held accountable even though I had only created a job situation, not caused a job loss.

If this is not socialism, THEN WHAT IS IT? Please , let us all start calling a guitar a guitar, a tree a tree, and stealing, STEALING.

I can't believe how many lazy people we have in this country. I guess I may be wrong, and our country is truly... in trouble.

I'm not saying the current system is perfect, Glen. What I AM saying, is that insurance, in most of its forms, is a useful thing to have. In the case of unemployment insurance, it can save a man's house, or his health, or his life. In the case of the community, it also has many benefits, as stated above. I don't call that theft, by any stretch of the imagination.

Your case is unfortunate at best. The letter of the law has made things obviously unfair to you as a businessman. I quite agree that this is an unfair situation to you, & if you had known the law better, it would have prevented you from hiring the guy in the first place, which is also detrimental, in the end.

I cannot say that unemployment insurance is a bad thing, however. Work clearly needs to be done on the system to make it work better, but, by & large, it is a necessary evil.

Phil, the only true way government can ensure ,not insure , jobs is to get of the back of America. WE have allowed a monster to be created over the last 100 years. We have come too the point of total destruction of any free market economy that you have been deceived to believe is so evil.
Then let our government produce big screen tv's, and razor blades, and grow corn, and auto's and run all the rail roads[our local one has tripled their deficit to almost a trillion dollars, in less than a year and a half]
When you start to realize big government cant do this than you will be thinking straight.
Unemployment, unemployment, The governments of the world are running out of money, Greece, Spain, Ireland. Where is the money going to come from to pay all the unemployment when our government runs out of cash?

OH I forgot,,,, the feds will just print another 600 billion as needed.

I disagree, of course, Glen. I think we NEED a gov't that will protect us from trusts & monopolies, as I've said before. Yes, it needs to get off the backs of small business. That I can agree with.

But the American ppl..nay...the ppl of the WORLD need to be protected from unscrupulous, dangerous, & overly powerful corporations like Monsanto & its ilk. If these co's have their way, slavery will not be a thing of the past. They must be stopped, & consumers simply cannot do it in a totally free market. These co's can too easily manipulate prices, distribution & supply. We must never turn the reins over. Gov't is our SOLE protection, & we MUST wrest it from these corp's control, or become enslaved to them.

If I agreed with you, Glen, we'd both be wrong.

Phil It would be a lot more perfect if everyone took some personal responsibility instead of looking to pass the blame.

The cornerstone of FREEDOM is personal responsibility. A dog will never be a free creature if it is in the habit of a free meal. A domestic dog will never know true freedom. A man that only seeks to work from another man,,, WILL NEVER KNOW FREEDOM. Power and strength and freedom do not come from licking the scraps of another mans plate.

And as I have stated repeatedly I am all for helping a person that has met with overwhelming destiny. Just not with twenty layers of government and far reaching consequences that open the doors to out right theft and abuse. Even now our veterans are treated so poorly it is disgusting. This is our big government, so poorly run that all the checks and balances have all but disappeared.

I think, since gov't has such a hand in our employed lives, that it SHOULD take on the responsibilities of the unemployment insurance. Hell, they're gonna eventually take over the health care industry, too, aren't they?



Your auto insurance is mandatory. So should your unemployment insurance.

Also unconstitutional.
An indication that big business interests have more control over our laws than does righteousness.

The government has no constitutional nor moral authority to make anything mandatory. Not even taxes.