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Sometimes things can make you wish you didn't have to deal with them, and some take that to the extreme. My father was a very sick man when he helped himself out. I have to say I'm glad he didn't suffer any more of the pain and humiliation he felt for being sick ! Thing is I really miss him.

My mothers boyfreind decided to do it because she was leaving him . What relly sucks is he decided she had to go with him. I know she didn't kill herself she loved life too much.

The only way I keep myself going at times, and there has been some hard times , I tell myself....

Cymbalta made it to where I couldn't orgasm.
Women might be used to that, but I threw that sh*t in the trash quick.

(I know, TMI)

Sometimes things can make you wish you didn't have to deal with them, and some take that to the extreme. My father was a very sick man when he helped himself out. I have to say I'm glad he didn't suffer any more of the pain and humiliation he felt for being sick ! Thing is I really miss him.

My mothers boyfreind decided to do it because she was leaving him . What relly sucks is he decided she had to go with him. I know she didn't kill herself she loved life too much.

The only way I keep myself going at times, and there has been some hard times , I tell myself....

That is a very healthy attitude.
Real is real.

Isn't it just GREAT how experts in their field, like say pharmacology, don't know what they're talking about because we've got geniuses like Dr. Phil here who can set them straight.

Phil, and any OTHER self-appointed expert on things they have no experience in (who have never actually attempted suicide), can just SHUT THE f**k UP.

If I wanna hear any of your sh*t I'll squeeze your head.

Isn't it just GREAT how experts in their field, like say pharmacology, don't know what they're talking about because we've got geniuses like Dr. Phil here who can set them straight.

Phil, and any OTHER self-appointed expert on things they have no experience in (who have never actually attempted suicide), can just SHUT THE f**k UP.

If I wanna hear any of your sh*t I'll squeeze your head.

I wasn't speaking to you, child. Back to the corner with you, & don't get up until you have a better attitude!

Wadda maroooooooon!

Sometimes life can hit you so hard with unwanted circumstances that you just don't have the ability to motivate yourself anymore...even though you want to keep chugging along.

I'm still recovering from a lot of things that happened to me over the year. Unfortunately, I just found out that my friend's aunt, who was the mother of my best friend(RIP) that commited suicide, had just passed away this year. And even though he wasn't told how she passed away, I'm pretty sure it wasn't from natural causes...I hope I'm wrong.

I just couldn't bring myself to take my own life. The thought of the unknown happening if I did is scary enough for me. Plus, I only got one life anyways, so, no matter how shitty life has been for so long, there's going to be a time when the smoke clears, thank God.

Mike, I think you should take a buncha pills & go back to your Sit'N'Spin.

You're really quite warped, aren't you?

You do live up to your nic, though, Mr Nobody.

Cymbalta made it to where I couldn't orgasm.
Women might be used to that, but I threw that sh*t in the trash quick.

(I know, TMI)

Doesn't interfere with mine. The others did, but not this. They're all different. If you can try to do the natural thing great. I was very sick. I don't agree to giving these things to people just because they feel a little down.

If a person doesn't normally get depressed, then I believe it's a good thing to go get a complete blood work up, try a change in diet, exercise and some natural remedies. Sometimes it could be a little thing like lacking a certain nutrient like folic acid. I know a lot of people are on these low carb, no carb diets. The body needs carbs. If you severely decrease your carb intake, you will feel depressed. Many Psychiatrists and doctors won't ask you this, they'll just ask you if you're going through any stress, blah blah, here take a pill. I think people should try all they can to avoid the pills. That way, if you do wind up taking something, you know you did all you could and nothing worked.

Chaeya

I was there at one point in my life in the process of doing it when I thought of my kids and I just couldn't go thru with it! Every since then I have adopted a new attitude that you guys have heard me say over and over "no matter how negetive the situation is, no matter how hopeless, no matter what, if you look hard enough you can ALWAYS find a positive" I try to live my life this way although sometimes I falter and fall off, but I am gonna get back up brush off the dust and get back on that horse and ride into the sunset YEAH BUDDY!

Sometimes things can make you wish you didn't have to deal with them, and some take that to the extreme. My father was a very sick man when he helped himself out. I have to say I'm glad he didn't suffer any more of the pain and humiliation he felt for being sick ! Thing is I really miss him.

My mothers boyfreind decided to do it because she was leaving him . What relly sucks is he decided she had to go with him. I know she didn't kill herself she loved life too much.

The only way I keep myself going at times, and there has been some hard times , I tell myself....

Some people just have a very hard time and with the meds, sometimes there just isn't anything to help them. I can tell you right now, I will never be happy on this planet. I don't like how things are set up, I don't like the nature of the world, the stupidity of politics, the ignorance of human beings, etc.

However, I look at it like this. I agreed to come here, so no matter how bad I feel, I'm not going to wuss out on my agreement. There are things that make me happy like doing music, writing, my kids, pretending I'm a pirate, faerie, living in my own little world.

One thing I do hate though are those murdering suicide assholes that feel they have to take other people with them. Those assholes that go and shoot up public places. I have a lot of compassion for depressed people, but not when they make those kind of choices. And they know what they're doing.

Trust me, wherever you go, there you are. I don't believe in heaven with harps and stuff like that, but when you take yourself out with all those emotions, that's what you live with on the other side. It's not any better over there.

Chaeya

A huge part of the problem is that the Dr's are being educated by the very pharmaceutical co's that are trying to make a buck off their products.

"Thia pill is for this. That pill is for that." The "testing" that's done is far too limited in scope, over a far too short period of time. Far-reaching effects are largely unknown with any new drug in the market. When they released Tylenol on us, way back when, they didn't even know that it could affect the kidneys. Likewise the affects of ibuprofin on the liver.

If the system is so great, why are there so many class-action suits & drug recalls, these days?

This is from "The Proven Dangers of Antidepressants," by Peter R. Breggin, M.D.

"On March 22 the FDA issued an extraordinary “Public Health Advisory” that cautioned about the risks associated with the whole new generation of antidepressants including Prozac and its knock offs, Zoloft, Paxil, Luvox, Celexa, and Lexapro, as well as Wellbutrin, Effexor, Serzone, and Remeron. The warning followed a public hearing where dozens of family members and victims testified about suicide and violence committed by individuals taking these medications.

"While stopping short of concluding the antidepressants definitely cause suicide, the FDA warned that they might do so in a small percentage of children and adults. In the debate over drug-induced suicide, little attention has been given to the FDA’s additional warning that certain behaviors are “known to be associated with these drugs,” including “anxiety, agitation, panic attacks, insomnia, irritability, hostility, impulsivity, akathisia (severe restlessness), hypomania, and mania.” From agitation and hostility to impulsivity and mania, the FDA’s litany of
antidepressant-induced behaviors is identical to that of PCP, methamphetamine and cocaine—drugs known to cause aggression and violence. These older stimulants and most of the newer antidepressants cause similar effects as a result of their impact on a neurotransmitter in the brain called serotonin."

So our fine medical community is creating the very same symptoms that Nancy Reagan was so opposed to. Perhaps we should "just say no" to our doctors.

Dr Breggin continue:

"As a psychiatrist and as a medical expert, I have examined dozens of cases of individuals who have committed suicide or violent crimes while under the influence of the newer antidepressants such as Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, Luvox and Celexa. In June in South Carolina, Christopher Pittman will go on trial for shooting his grandparents to death while they slept. Chris was twelve when his family doctor started him on Zoloft. Three weeks later the doctor doubled his dose and one week later Chris committed the violent acts. In other cases, a fourteen-year-old girl on Prozac fired a pistol pointblank at a friend but the gun failed to go off, and a teenage boy on Zoloft beat to death an elderly woman who complained to him about his loud music. A greater number of cases involve adults who lost control of themselves while taking antidepressants. In at least two cases judges have found individuals not guilty on the basis of involuntary intoxication with psychiatric drugs and other cases have resulted in reduced charges, lesser convictions, or shortened sentences."

I especially like that phrase, "involuntary intoxication." What percentage of our children in schools are using Ritallin? What percentage of our adults are being experimented upon by the unscrupulous actions of a medical or pharmaceutical community gone unchecked?

This is a doctor that I can agree with, when he says things like, "People who are depressed often respond to placebo because it gives them hope. Severe depression is essentially a feeling of profound hopelessness and despair that can best be addressed by a variety of psychotherapeutic, educational, and spiritual or religious interventions."

The single reason we have all of these drugs, is to create profits for pharmaceutical co's. They have no place in the real world.

Our lifestyles are being manipulated by our jobs. Our hours of work are all over the place. Our constant mental pressures have become huge factors in the mental illness that runs so rampant in our society. The answer to these problems is not becoming addicted to meds so that we may "fit in with the needs of our brave new world." The answer is that we need to change the world to accomodate our needs as sentient beings.

Our medical community, our pharmaceutical community, & our corporate world seem to all want us to be totally dependent upon whatever they decide to supply us.

They haven't yet created a single "safe" drug, not one without side effects. I don't trust them, & I will tell everyone I know to avoid their evil clutches. It is possible to do so, so far, but they're making it more difficult to do so every day.

Mike, I think you should take a buncha pills & go back to your Sit'N'Spin.

You're really quite warped, aren't you?

You do live up to your nic, though, Mr Nobody.

Go get a job you lazy pothead.

While Dr. Phil makes some valid points in his arguments in how the system is abused and the side effects of drugs, his “all or nothing” stance is myopic and dangerous. Were you raised as a Christian Scientist or something?


From personal experience I can say that antidepressants have helped a lot. They’re not a magic bullet to fix everything. But, as part of a psychotherapeutic treatment they are invaluable. Some places like Easter Seals just throw some pills at you and try to do therapy on an assembly line. We called them a “crackhouse for prescriptions.” The name stuck and other patients starting calling Easter Seals the same thing. The place we were at last time were pretty good, except they kept running off all the best people working there. Eventually, they stuck us in group, trying to do therapy “on the cheap.” We were pissed and quit.

ACK! I was afraid for a sec that you'd found out something from my deep dark past (or present, for that matter!).

Yeah...I can relate to the loss of abilities, to a lesser degree. It takes a toll, for sure.

Hope he gets better.

Yep, I thought it was about you too Philby. But I am a fan of Phil Collins and I sincerely hope that he can climb out of this abyss.