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oh I see, your making a documentary about a group of young guys that can't play well and their guitars are always out of tune.
Well why would a bunch of seasoned performers have a problem with you posting on a professional musicians site announcing the desire to find and showcase an act like that?

Now I'm totally on your side "dude"

I may have went a lil far south on you but WTF do you expect?
No Posers? where the hell did that come from?
FYI I AM an old PUNK Rocker my friend. I was still fronting a punk band @ age 37. Though I looked much younger I was still 37. Age is not a requirement in the philosophy (that's right, it aint no fukn lifestyle) of punk either!

So all in all I, and I'm sure a few others are yes, offended by your query simply for it being on this site!

Go post it on a youth chat forum and maybe you'll actually find what your looking for, but not on a site for "professional" musicians!

or in a kinder gentler delivery... stop being a fukn mook!

Like dealing with a 5 year old...

There are three such bands on every block. If you have to go looking on a musician's site for them you're probably not qualified to make any kind of statement about them. Nine out of ten of these "bands" won't even be playing music in a year so why bother? Some of us have been playing music for 30+ years, and yes some of us play punk music; jumping five feet in the air while playing might be a deal breaker.

Thing is, there really aren't three such bands on every block, in fact there isn't even one in every town. Not the type of band I'm looking for. Most young rock bands so fall into the emo/screamo genre. And I probably buy about 500 cds a year looking for great new bands, and I find two or three...

If you read my last post, I'm looking for bands that haven't played a gig...so to me a band board is a good place to start. And I understand 9 out of 10 will give up...and therein lies drama and conflict. That perhaps someone is really talented, but can't stand the constant beating down (especially by bullying musicians!).

And I'm sorry it's so offensive, but the topic of my doc is not about people playing for 30 years. I can only wonder if I posted looking for 50 year old rockers, if people in their 20s would have such issues.

It's completely silly to me. I'm in my 50s. When I know someone is looking for a writer/director with a younger feel...I know what that means. I don't get insulted. It's the way of the world. Instead, I pass on the info to one of the 20 year olds working under me in the hopes that they'll get the gig.

CAN YOU SAY STRAIGHT TO DVD?


I can't wait to see it!

"Everybody at school hates you." Everybody at the theater, too.
"Your parents don't understand." Well, how could they? They're probably (OMG) pushing 30!

"Make us cry." Seeing that your requesting music from people who are not musicians, it's a safe bet-somebody's gonna cry. Ears may bleed as well. Do non-musicians write non-songs? Or nonsense?

Nice punk attitude by the way...You have to be punk AND sell out at the first possible oppurtunity. You obviously understand the genre...

Why am I giving you so much sh!t? Because, as I've said before, someone who was a serious business person would have ignored all the negative comments. You, however, returned for the debate. Now you're here, defending yourself to a bunch of strangers online. Why? You have this big documentary to make, and your number one concern is arguing with us. You're choking me with your professionalism (That's sarcasm, BTW).

Here's an idea for you-no royalties necessary...make a documentary about struggling musicians (of varying ages and musical genres) who come together online in an attempt to not only fulfill their ambitions, but also to share with like-minded souls.

I bet I can even find a few folks to star in it for you...

I like it here on the forum, so I do NOT want to alienate any of my good friends here, but...

Why is there always a "but?"

I think I've got some idea of what this guy is looking for, and though this site at first glance may seem like a great place to look, it's not.

It isn't, and you may have known that Gorman, had you spent any amount of time here on the forum itself. I don't mean that as a criticism, just an observation that might help you become aware that very few people of the type you are looking for participate regularly on this form.

To be sure, there probably are a lot of them registered with the site, but I would dare guess that almost all of them have no music posted on their profiles (if any at all), and don't post here on the forum often, if at all.

The vast majority of people here on the forum are way past "pushing thirty," and even those that are in the age group you are looking for, who do participate quite often, ARE musicians for the most part, and will more than likely still be creating music long after their thirtieth birthday.

I think you'll have better luck finding the kids you want on music FAN type forums. 90 percent, if that few, of the kids you seek, won't be playing or creating music at all later in life. Most of them are star struck fans of music, love it as much as we do, but aren't in the long run willing to put the effort into it that most BandMix forum participants are.

I get what your looking for. It's not a doc about experience. It's a doc about know-nothing star struck noobies who don't know anything at all.

Nothing wrong with that in my book. Make a doc about whatever you want. But be aware that what you're looking for doesn't describe the average user on this forum.

What you're looking for, these guys call, "Wannabees ~ Never-Will-Be's." At least for the most part.

I've seen those type of "kids" show up here and get scared away. And this is just an internet forum! Whaddya think most of them would do the first time they see the lights, stage, and *GASP!* AN AUDIENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????

The vast majority of them don't last a week on this forum. Where they go when they take off with their tails between their legs, I don't know. Wherever that is, that's where they are.

What you're looking for is me thirty years ago. Sorry I'm way past your age limit now or I'd actually think about it. In every other way, I would qualify though....

But do you blame them for running away when you read some of the above. I certainly don't.

I've posted here, and a few other places, in the hopes that someone sees the ad...perhaps passes it on. I've just started looking, and figure it's going to take a year or two to find the bands I'm looking for. My guess is I'm never going to find more than one or two. I know what I'm looking for...they're not out there. They're hiding.

And the last thing I want is someone star struck. Like I said, I'm looking for someone who needs to write songs...by that I mean it's the only thing keeping them sane. I'm looking for the kids who are being bullied. And something is telling me it might be worse in the music world than even I expected.

As to why I answer these...in case there is that person lurking on these boards, he understands what I'm looking for. (i.e. that I'm not looking for Justin Beiber)

Very diplomatic, SP. Sorry that I couldn't be.

Sentient Paradox wrote:

I think I've got some idea of what this guy is looking for, and though this site at first glance may seem like a great place to look, it's not.

It isn't, and you may have known that Gorman, had you spent any amount of time here on the forum itself. I don't mean that as a criticism, just an observation that might help you become aware that very few people of the type you are looking for participate regularly on this form.

That's a bullseye. A smidgen of research would have went a long way...As a guy pushing 40 who does consider himself a musician, I see someone coming here to offer oppurtunities to some little snot noses that have never paid a days worth of dues in their short little lives. That's a real slap in the face.

I could really use that kind of publicity, hell, most of us could, but we can't get it...because we are too talented, too mature, too experienced and too wise (and some people actually like us). How's that for a kick in the nuts?

That's a bullseye. A smidgen of research would have went a long way...As a guy pushing 40 who does consider himself a musician, I see someone coming here to offer oppurtunities to some little snot noses that have never paid a days worth of dues in their short little lives. That's a real slap in the face.

I could really use that kind of publicity, hell, most of us could, but we can't get it...because we are too talented, too mature, too experienced and too wise (and some people actually like us). How's that for a kick in the nuts?

Joseph, I DO understand that. I'm in my 50s in an industry run by kids...thrust me, I get it. I don't age discriminate. Musicians from 17 to 60 provided songs for my last two films. The two guys who scored FWB were in their late 40s. But this is a very specific movie that grew out of working on the Mats doc for two years. Like I first said, HOOP DREAMS for indie bands.

And this is a public board for band members...in the off-chance that one kid reads it, it was worth posting. I would think the members here would understand that as well. I'm honestly surprised so many don't.

In other words, you posted it because you could.

If you don't understand the hostility, let me help you out:

I wrote:

That's a bullseye. A smidgen of research would have went a long way...As a guy pushing 40 who does consider himself a musician, I see someone coming here to offer oppurtunities to some little snot noses that have never paid a days worth of dues in their short little lives. That's a real slap in the face.

I could really use that kind of publicity, hell, most of us could, but we can't get it...because we are too talented, too mature, too experienced and too wise (and some people actually like us). How's that for a kick in the nuts?

Demographics mean anything? Target audience, maybe? Come on...you could spend ONE day on this site and figure out the age range-and the talent level. You came here and told a bunch of seasoned musicians that their skills aren't needed or valuable, and by the way, they are just too damned old...but hey, could they help ya find someone that fits that profile?

Go take a long ride off of a short pier.

In other words, you posted it because you could.

If you don't understand the hostility, let me help you out:

I wrote:

That's a bullseye. A smidgen of research would have went a long way...As a guy pushing 40 who does consider himself a musician, I see someone coming here to offer oppurtunities to some little snot noses that have never paid a days worth of dues in their short little lives. That's a real slap in the face.

I could really use that kind of publicity, hell, most of us could, but we can't get it...because we are too talented, too mature, too experienced and too wise (and some people actually like us). How's that for a kick in the nuts?

Demographics mean anything? Target audience, maybe? Come on...you could spend ONE day on this site and figure out the age range-and the talent level. You came here and told a bunch of seasoned musicians that their skills aren't needed or valuable, and by the way, they are just too damned old...but hey, could they help ya find someone that fits that profile?

Go take a long ride off of a short pier.

Yes, posted it because I could...and I'm not really sure what that means. But guilty as charged! Must have misunderstood the name "band mix."

And no, that doesn't explain the hostility. The ad was only insulting to someone with REALLY thin skin, who read into it things that weren't there.

Guess I wrongly believed that musicians would help others, no matter the age...but you're telling me otherwise. Nice to know where the real discrimination lies. Really surprising coming from someone who plays.

man this fukn guy is oblivious!

Neither you nor your post belong here... get it?!


watta fukn mook!

I should let this go...but I can't. It's just too much fun.

You posted the ad because you could...just like the other spammers that show up on this site...it's a flaw in the system.

Bandmix=bands. Bands=a group of MUSICIANS. You must have misunderstood-because YOU are not looking for musicians, remember?

You came to a MUSICIAN site and posted that you were going to give oppurtunities to people who haven't earned it-while many of probably have earned it. Thin skin? No. Thick skull? Well, if you can't understand why that may be a BIT upsetting, then yes.

How were you discriminated against? Because we didn't fall in line and support your bs? Whatever...

No, Joe...some of you guys are discriminating against younger musicians. (Go back and read slowly, you'll figure it out.) You're rude, you're bullies. And it's not spam...I'm looking for bands on a band site. (Tell you what, if it's spam...contact the administrator and get it removed.) I never asked anyone to fall in line, I was trying to explain. But you only hear what you want to hear.

Like I said with the other dude, it's like dealing with a 5-year-old. Life is too short...

I will continue to answer questions though from people who don't have chips on their shoulders.

OOOOOOOOOBLIVIOUS

Dude, let it go!
Your spending an inordinate amount of time arguing a lost cause ,rather than spending it where you should be; an appropriate site for your query.

YOU DON'T GET IT... you are wrong and arguing will not make you right.
If your need to be right supersedes your professional goals then ... well ok, I'm the immature one.

Do you know what the really funny thing is in your search, by the time you find the type of "band" you are lookig for and by the time you start filming your documentary either one of two things will have happened to those "bands." They will have advanced musically to the point where they don't qualify for your documentary or they will have dissolved and you can't find them for filming...

What's the minimum age to post on Bandmix?