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#127574 by Mike Nobody
Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:09 pm
Last edited by Mike Nobody on Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:34 pm, edited 2 times in total.

#127578 by dizzizz
Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:31 pm
Thoughts on the first one: First, when I say that nothing you can say will shake my faith, I'm not telling you to shut up. I'm telling you to bring it on. And honestly, Jesus is more important than anything you, or I, have to say. That doesn't mean I won't listen to what you're saying and respond as best as I am able.

[url]Having taken that step, it informs every moment of my life. I'm not greedy. I have love, blue skies, rainbows and Hallmark cards, and that has to be enough. It has to be enough, but it's everything in the world and everything in the world is plenty for me. It seems just rude to beg the invisible for more. Just the love of my family that raised me and the family I'm raising now is enough that I don't need heaven. I won the huge genetic lottery and I get joy every day.[/url]

Other than the "Don't need heaven" part, I agree. I ask for guidance when I ask for anything. Mostly, I give thanks.

[quote]No God means the possibility of less suffering in the future[/url]
It does, hmmm? God means the possibility of heaven. Sounds like no suffering at all to me...

I need to go to class. Until then, your second link seems broken.

#127583 by Mike Nobody
Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:47 pm
dizzizz wrote: Until then, your second link seems broken.

Works fine. The second line isn’t a link.

#127592 by Sir Jamsalot
Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:17 pm
Why not just summarize the arguments? There are usually only a handful of arguments regurgitated over and over again, so you'd be sparing us a few hours of having to listen to all these audio files.

groovy.

#127594 by Mike Nobody
Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:24 pm
SirJamsalot wrote:Why not just summarize the arguments? There are usually only a handful of arguments regurgitated over and over again, so you'd be sparing us a few hours of having to listen to all these audio files.

groovy.


I like audio files.
I just put those up if someone's interested. They're not a substitute for anything.
Besides, I'd rather talk with someone than just make a list

#127601 by KLUGMO
Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:58 pm
Hey Nobody.

Once in a while you should listen to some
beautiful music. It would do you good.
Just close your eyes, think about your
first Love and listen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK53LpdW-lI

Oh yeah, turn it up.

#127608 by Sir Jamsalot
Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:57 pm
Mike Nobody wrote:
SirJamsalot wrote:Why not just summarize the arguments? There are usually only a handful of arguments regurgitated over and over again, so you'd be sparing us a few hours of having to listen to all these audio files.

groovy.


I like audio files.
I just put those up if someone's interested. They're not a substitute for anything.
Besides, I'd rather talk with someone than just make a list


hmm, ok. Well here's a link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niNFHNw1 ... re=related

#127609 by Mike Nobody
Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:16 pm
KLUGMO wrote:Hey Nobody.

Once in a while you should listen to some
beautiful music. It would do you good.
Just close your eyes, think about your
first Love and listen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK53LpdW-lI

Oh yeah, turn it up.


Been awhile since I've listened to Johnny Mathis. Thanks.

#127610 by Mike Nobody
Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:20 pm
SirJamsalot wrote:hmm, ok. Well here's a link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niNFHNw1 ... re=related


That was really asinine. "Naturalism = No Free Will?" Now, if he doesn't believe the physical world can INFLUENCE thinking, he's apparently never been drunk.

#127613 by Mike Nobody
Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:39 pm
Something I just found.

"Is God Perfect?"
http://blog.uncertainbeliever.com/2009/04/is-god-perfect.html

#127614 by gbheil
Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:57 pm
Humm that's funny.
Just talked to him.
He said he loves you.

#127617 by Mike Nobody
Mon Oct 25, 2010 10:08 pm
sanshouheil wrote:Humm that's funny.
Just talked to him.
He said he loves you.


DivShare File - 12 April March - Jesus and I Love You.mp3

#127619 by Sir Jamsalot
Mon Oct 25, 2010 10:19 pm
Mike Nobody wrote:
SirJamsalot wrote:hmm, ok. Well here's a link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niNFHNw1 ... re=related


That was really asinine. "Naturalism = No Free Will?" Now, if he doesn't believe the physical world can INFLUENCE thinking, he's apparently never been drunk.


Here's another link for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3mc_yBW ... re=related

it's a bit more entertaining than the last video.

Bahnsen isn't saying we don't have free will. He's saying that if you believe that Natural law explains the world, then you're left with the asinine belief that we don't have free will. After all, if your explanation of human experience is that natural law dictates what can and cannot happen - then all your thoughts and actions are likewise dictated by natural law, since naturalism says your brain is nothing more than physical gray matter subject to natural law.

cheers.
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#127621 by Chippy
Mon Oct 25, 2010 10:27 pm
So far as I can see?
There is no link, but what you personally make of it.

#127644 by Mike Nobody
Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:51 pm
SirJamsalot wrote:it's a bit more entertaining than the last video.

Bahnsen isn't saying we don't have free will. He's saying that if you believe that Natural law explains the world, then you're left with the asinine belief that we don't have free will. After all, if your explanation of human experience is that natural law dictates what can and cannot happen - then all your thoughts and actions are likewise dictated by natural law, since naturalism says your brain is nothing more than physical gray matter subject to natural law.

cheers.

I don’t see how natural law would negate Free Will. Granted, our choices are limited by what is possible. But, we have the capacity to think abstractly.
George Smith has a lot more patience than most would with Greg Bahnsen.

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