General Music Chat

God makes a great fence... at least to nuts like them. These type of people believe that as long as they throw the god card out they are justified in any thing that they do or say.
The same type that created the Spanish Inquisition!

Yes but no one expected the spanish inquisition!

You are all correct. The greatest gift we have is CHOICE. From choice comes freedom. Freedom is not a RIGHT. Freedom is a privilege that is earned from our Freedom of CHOICE. Sometimes bloodshed is needed to stop any one person or group from taking away your gift of CHOICE. This has always been the sorry history of mankind.

It is just interesting that our founding fathers made such a big deal about FREEDOM OF SPEECH, years before the rise of such historical figures , hitler ,stallin , mao, and a long list of murderers that strived to control FREE SPEECH.
It was so important that it was the first Amendment. Think about it.

The conundrum that comes up here is that people think that freedom is a RIGHT. The truth is that freedom leaves you with tremendous PERSONAL responsibility to act with thoughtful choice. This is the only true right you may have.

All the points that have been touched on come back to the few words I wrote before. We all have the CHOICE. Too much hatred and not enough tolerance.

If some group did that to me, there would be bloodshed later. And lots of it.

You have the right to express your opinion. I have the right to hunt you all down and express mine.

Come on GT. You're a great person and you know and I know you would use your personal right to choose , in a positive way. Anger is a wasted emotion, that never leads to solutions. Ask the Capt. The best opponent is an angry one, they loose sight of the real goal. Anger only destroys your freedom of choice.

Come on GT. You're a great person and you know and I know you would use your personal right to choose , in a positive way. Anger is a wasted emotion, that never leads to solutions. Ask the Capt. The best opponent is an angry one, they loose sight of the real goal. Anger only destroys your freedom of choice.

I don't think I would be able to control my reaction if it involved a funeral for one of my kids.
Maybe with people looking out for me.

Aiki mcr wrote:
I don’t mean to picky here Aiki but that was not a question but a statement and by your answer to it looks like you agree with it which makes your advice in your post where you wrote "when life intrudes get over it” a bit puzzling.

It comes down I guess on what one chooses to do when exposed to a disagreeable opinion get over it or oppose it, both options are valid but most people I think would rather confront a disagreeable view than remain silent.

Okay, let me put it another way: bad stuff will happen to you. People will do things you don't like. Sometimes you must oppose these things. Other times it's just not worth the effort. You won't change it and you're only being disagreeable.

IMO, people who protest about every political idea they hate are just being selfish, spoiled brats.

Now, that doesn't mean you should just roll over and take it all the time. If you strive to do the Right Thing, you will be in opposition to other people sometimes. They will usually be striving to do the Right Thing as well. You might even have to *GASP* compromise.

I guess part of it for me is that I've been beat up by gangs of kids who hated me because of my skin color, I've had my life threatened multiple times, I've seen family members go through horrible illnesses and I've had it brought home to me in graphic detail some of the horrors my direct ancestors endured. Yeah, I have some scars. Yeah, there are things that Really Make Me Angry. But, mostly I've learned I can't do anything about them and protesting is pointless and irritating.

None of it is really about me. And it isn't really about the people who go out and protest in the name of their cause du jour but don't actually do anything productive to correct the situation.

"I'm mad as h*** and I'm not going to take it anymore!" just seems like a selfish and pointless idea to me.

And you know what else? I'm fundamentally happy with life. It's tempting to say "in spite of all that's happened", but that would be wrong. In some important ways, it's because of all that's happened. Because I've been so poor I had to sell plasma to pay bills, but I've also had so much money I never bothered to even manage it. And everything, the good and the bad has taught me something valuable.

Anyway, now it's time for me take my own advice and get over it.

It's a simple message.
Perhaps too simple for most to fathom.

One man's simple message
Is another man's delusion.....

I pray it wont be too late when you find out your wrong.
But continue with your personal persecution of me.
One more confused liberal who's distracted ... is to my advantage.

I pray it wont be too late when you find out your wrong.
But continue with your personal persecution of me.
One more confused liberal who's distracted ... is to my advantage.

I wasn't a believer. The Holy Spirit went through me and I suddenly realized maybe there's something to this. I still don't know if I can judge myself a Christian. I've had philosophical arguements with people who "know" they are Christians. I'm not sure a mere mortal can know they are Christian or not. I think it is a matter of faith. I believe everybody will find out after they die exactly what their mortal lives meant. I believe in people who believe if that makes any sense. Not just Christian belief but the true belief of any great religion. Follow the undistrorted teachings of any great religion and I believe you can't go wrong. I roomed with a devout Hindu many years ago. He taught me some very interesting things about that religion. In its pure form it is truly a great religion. Its hard to argue with true believers. Your devotion and conviction serves you in good stead here on Earth and portends great things for your soul, no matter what your religious beliefs...

I've had that "holy spirit experience" in a christian setting. I've also had it in a buddhist one, & felt the exact same feelings at a Grateful Dead concert, & other musical settings, as well.

There's something out there that moves us, that is surely true. Is it christian or islamic or buddhist or musical in nature? I would say the answer is simply "yes." Whatever moves you in a positive direction is doing it for a purpose, but I question whether one is really better than another, or that the printed word can possibly explain it in any way.

Just my take on it all.

Religion may just be the result of an advanced civilization that was here and left, leaving people trying to get them to return....

But the FACTS are that it is nothing more than a distortion of the study of the zodiac; every religion is based on the zodiac = the 12 houses (ages) and the equinoxes to be exact.
Every God symbol (Jesus, Mohamed, Horus, Zeros ect) dies and is reborn after 3 days/born to a virgin on Dec 25, has 12 disciples, wandered in the desert, dies on the cross, baptized by a wild man, fed the masses with 2 fish ect ect ect.
Same story, different name. ALL of these symbolic stories are relating to the zodiac.

Spiritual feeling can be induced with simple magnetic waves... just like the planet does in certain areas.

Not to mention the incredible cruelty of said gods in each bible.
So I'll pass on religion and just try to be a decent person all on my own.

Good for you Hayden. As long as you try to be a righteous person you don't need organized religion.

I believe that both religion and science are different ways of answering the same questions that have been asked since man first looked at the stars. "Where are we? Why are we here? Why does the world look like it does? Will anything happen after I die?" Most people believe in a supreme being because they find it hard to believe that life could have arisen on its own, and that they can't accept that after they die they won't go to a better place.

I pray it wont be too late when you find out your wrong.
But continue with your personal persecution of me.
One more confused liberal who's distracted ... is to my advantage.

Man I'm not trying to persecute you, it's just we have different ways of looking at things and some of the things you say I just can't let sit.
Are you the only one who gets to state your point of view?

Personally you seem like a very nice person and I really don't have a problem with you. But man this is the web and this is a forum and we're all telling it the way we see it and hey...I you say something that's not right in my eyes I'm gonna tell you. And I can tell you'd do the same for me.

I pray it wont be too late when you find out your wrong.
But continue with your personal persecution of me.
One more confused liberal who's distracted ... is to my advantage.

Man I'm not trying to persecute you, it's just we have different ways of looking at things and some of the things you say I just can't let sit.
Are you the only one who gets to state your point of view?

Personally you seem like a very nice person and I really don't have a problem with you. But man this is the web and this is a forum and we're all telling it the way we see it and hey...If you say something that's not right in my eyes I'm gonna tell you. And I can tell you'd do the same for me.

In support of christianity:

Every God symbol (Jesus, Mohamed, Horus, Zeros ect)

First, Mohamed is either a wide receiver for the Cleveland Browns, or one of the 9/11 terrorists. If you meant Mohammed, he's not a god. Allah is God, Mohammed is His prophet.

I have no idea who "Zeros" is, and neither does Wikipedia. My closest guess is Zoroaster.

dies and is reborn after 3 days

The specific circumstances around Jesus, theologically, are unique. Most other gods, when killed, are either killed by another God (which, obviously, isn't possible in christianity), or, when killed by the people, it angers the other Gods. I have yet to find another story where the God dies, willingly, to absolve us of sins. Please fill me in if I'm incorrect there.

born to a virgin on Dec 25

This one i'll give you. It is 100% based on the winter equinox. In the early middle ages, the catholic church set the official date there as a way to attract pagans to conversion (That way, they could still celebrate with their friends). It never mentions in the Bible even the time of year. If you look around carefully, you'll find a lot of christian practices rooted in paganism, and none of them are set forth in the bible.

Has 12 disciples

In the ancient world, there were 12 major metropolitan areas that would be necessary to set up a church in for a new religion to be successful. Thus, 12 disciples. That's all that is.

wandered in the desert

baptized by a wild man

fed the masses with two fish

No excuses. If someone else has reasonings behind this, go for it, but these are all fulfillments of the necessary Jewish prophecies.

last but not least,

dies on the cross

Of course Jesus dies on a cross, and a lot of other "God figures" do too. This has nothing to do with symbolism, the cross is a much too recent symbol for it to mean anything back then. Crucifixion was far and away the most common form of execution in the ancient world. It wouldn't make any sense at all for Him to die any other way.



Please don't think I'm attacking you, nothing could be farther from the truth. I'm simply stating the facts, as I see them, behind what I believe. I'm sorry if I came across any other way, but this is, understandably, a subject that I care passionately about. I'm glad to hear that you live your life as a good person. I wish there were more like you.