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These are facts not delusion.

sh*t, here we go again. This is why I can never get a foot hold in this forum despite many tries. Here we are a couple of people having an interesting conversation when one of the resident trolls has to come in and destroy it.

I hope that comment was not directed toward me.


If so, the only thing I destroyed, is a false premise, that ANYTHING you do on Roulette, could ensure that you win more than you lose. That belief is a FALLACY. ANY reputable and knowledgeable source for information on this, will tell you EXACTLY the same things as I did.

I didn't kill Santa Claus, for goodness sake, I just detailed THE TRUTH, about the reality of Roulette. Nothing more.

Destroying a false belief, does not have to equate with destroying the FUN a game can offer. It is a game that is ONLY won, by sheer LUCK! And when you do win, it is unexpected, and FUN!

Hopefully the information I presented, however, would cause someone to play Roulette sparingly, and only for fun. And hopefully, if someone is SERIOUS about trying to win more consistently in casinos, they have learned that Roulette is one of the WORST GAMES, concerning odds, in the Casino. Blackjack has much better odds, and learning even very basic and simple, counting methods, can help improve your chances at winning. In fact, very good methods of counting cards, are so effective, that the casinos may very well ban you for LIFE, if they catch you doing it.

In the right hands of someone who can
control their emotions and think independently.
This information is valuable.

KLUGMO WROTE:

You will win some spins and you will loose some spins.
Therefore if you leave the table during a period of winning
every time. Would you consider that a system?

It is a form of control that the casino can not stop.
It can control if you are a winner or looser.


It can make it profitable.
The very randomness of winning and loosing is
guaranteed and can not be stopped by the casino because it is built
right into the game.

If these statements are true then you can see a way the
game can be used against itself for you to profit.

So, it is possible to win more money than loose.


This has nothing to do with odds or expert advise.
It is self control and timeing.

You will win some spins and you will loose some spins.
Therefore if you leave the table during a period of winning
every time. Would you consider that a system?

Well, of course, it's a system, albeit a very limited one. You have a RULE, that is employed as a method of maximizing winnings. It's a system, that you follow.

It is a form of control that the casino can not stop.
It can control if you are a winner or looser.

It can make it profitable.

It can make it profitable... ONLY, if you won immediately, and you NEVER played the game again!

The problems are...

1) How much gets lost, WAITING, for that series of winning bets to come through?

2) Can you depend on having a winning series IMMEDIATELY the next time you hit the casinos too?

It's like your advice to Koolin' to "double your bet" in certain situations, and then to "halve the bet" in others. Why would you tell him that? That PRESUMES some knowledge or expectation of the NEXT roll. Which is IMPOSSIBLE!

So, as I stated earlier, the ONLY real way to be a winner in Roulette, is to walk into a casino, be fortunate enough to win RIGHT AWAY, and then cash out, and NEVER PLAY ROULETTE AGAIN... EVER! Because if you DO play it again, the money will go right back to them eventually, along WITH their profit of 5.26% or more.

I get what you are saying Klugmo. If you can maintain that kind of discipline you could indeed improve your odds of going home with some money. And you get to have a lot of fun doing it.

You can go play with the troll some more now

At this point we must agree to disagree.


My experience tells me you are wrong.
Your lack of actual experience and total belief
in the domination of odds and house edge
convince me you will not believe to any degree.

I will inform you of my results in mid sept. not that you
will believe me.
My last visit found me with $1,600 profit.


By the way, we bicker pretty good I think.

Koolin', I am sorry that you misjudge my character, but I can't help what your impressions are. I spoke out of genuine concern. I'm sorry you don't personally appreciate that, but it "IS" who I am.

I am the guy, that asks even a stranger "What's wrong?" if their response to the question "How's it going?" is... "Life sucks, but what else is new?"

Most people say something like "Sorry to hear that." or... "Hope things get better!" and then walk away, not really WANTING to hear why someone would respond that way.

But for me, I imagine to myself, that everyone who ever committed suicide, had a last exchange of words with... SOMEONE. And what if that SOMEONE, happened to have been the LAST THING standing in the way, of that person changing their minds? I am not under the delusion that EVERYONE who is depressed would be helped by a simple conversation with a stranger. But I do KNOW, that some people can be, and ARE helped, by a compassionate hearted person, who may have the right set of words, the right perspective, that may just give that person the edge they need, to go on, and not give up.

I've helped people, in just that way alone, throughout my life, countless times. They usually open up to me, and tell me very personal things, and end up saying... "I can't believe I just told you all this... I just met you!"

I've had people tell me that I saved them from depression, with the insights I gave them. I had a guy once, who had blamed God for over a decade, because he lost one of his arms in an accident. And when I shared what I shared with him, he said that I had given him a new lease on life, because I had helped give him a perspective that no one else had, and he took it to heart, and it changed his life.

You can detest me, for giving a f*ck about others, but so be it.

It really is the EASIEST thing in the world, "DECIDING" to CARE, as opposed to being INDIFFERENT, to the needs and troubles of others.

Some people hate you for destroying sacred cows.

But others, are thrilled to be liberated from worshipping livestock!

My experience tells me you are wrong.
Your lack of actual experience and total belief
in the domination of odds and house edge
convince me you will not believe to any degree.

There's that word "believe" again. I don't need faith in this Klugmo. I have personally taken $20 and turned it into $2,000, which is a spectacular win ratio! I KNOW something like that can happen on a fluke. But, I also lost it all the very next day. Had I walked away, I would have been $1,980 AHEAD... But only... "IF" I never walked back into a casino again! EVER!

What you fail to realize, is that it was a fluke. I could just as easily have lost my original $20 bucks, and went home with nothing THAT NIGHT, as opposed to getting a second day of entertainment out of it. I could also have walked away that night, and then lost that amount 2 years later, if I returned to a casino then.

But it was a FLUKE. A completely RANDOM happening, that is unlikely to ever be repeated by me. It's like playing the lottery. For that one person, in 20 million, who won the lottery, it was a FLUKE. The other 20 million people were LOSERS. To say that you will walk away, after a lucky streak, presumes that you will HAVE the lucky streak in the first place, and then further presumes that you do not LOSE more money, WAITING, for the next lucky streak (if there is one) than you won, when you finally got on the streak.

The problem with FLUKES (with luck) is that YOU CANNOT DEPEND ON IT... YOU CANNOT RECREATE IT... YOU CANNOT DO ANYTHING TO IMPROVE IT, PREDICT IT, OR MAKE IT MORE CONSISTENT!

Believing that chance or luck can be manipulated or controlled, is virtual INSANITY. It cannot be done. It violates even the DEFINITION of the word itself!

IT CEASES TO BE LUCK, IF YOU CAN DETERMINE THE OUTCOME!

Let me ask you this...

Do you believe you can find ANY reputable source, that will agree with you, that it is possible to WIN more than LOSE in Roulette? If not, what does that tell you? That you have a special knowledge which NO PROFESSIONAL GAMBLER in the world possesses?

Do you really believe, that you are more knowledgeable about this, than the myriad of professional gamblers and mathematicians and the multi-billion casino industry?

Do you "really" believe that?

Heh heh, see the OP doesn't even acknowledge my replies anymore now that the troll has settled in for the long haul. It is somewhat amusing though, for a time.

Anybody want to have a pool on how many more words it will spew forth that nobody cares about or will even read if we keep poking it?

Knowing this particular troll as I do I guess another several thousand.

Craig is not a troll.

gambling is folly.

I too believe Craig speaks out of genuine concern.
I too believe gambling is folly.
Yet we all gamble daily even with our lives and don't recognize it as such.
The way I see it, Klugmo has a system he uses. He approaches his gambling much like I would if I gambled. Being a logistical kind of guy I like having the odds stacked heavily in my favor.
Life is a game of chance.
I know how to hedge your bet so you will WIN in the end.

Craig is not a troll.

Thank you Paul.

I too believe Craig speaks out of genuine concern.

Thank you George.

Craig's cool. Sometimes there's nothing more satisfying than discussing the difference of opinion. And I'll be honest, sometimes I just love a good argument. Ask my old man.

Chaeya