General Music Chat

Back to Atlantic City on the 16th to play Roulette
and smell the salty ocean air.
My game is improving and I have a couple experiments to try
then back to my standard play. The casino at Charlestown in WV.
hasn't learned how to run the place correctly yet
so I haven't been there. The table limits are way to high.
$25,$50,$100 minimums per bet are ridiculous and doesn't
allow the average man to play.

In AC they have tables as low as $5 minimums. My minimum
bet per spin is $15 - $18 with my method of play. I have been
playing Roulette for more than 30 years. When I was 17 I
hitch-hiked across the country to Reno and worked in casinos
there for 3 years. That's where I caught the bug. I enjoy that
game SO much. It's all I play. No slots, No Black Jack nothing
else.

I have an addictive personality and have the patients to
concentrate on every nuance of the game. It has paid
off very well through the years. At 35 to 1 odds it is
in my opinion the only game worth playing in the casino.
I could talk for hours about Roulette but I think to
many it is a boring subject. Unless you are an avid player
there is much that would not be understood. To get my
Roulette talk fix I go to Roulette forums and spend hours
with other players. It is amazing how people dissect the game.

Sry rambling.

I have found the cure for gambling addiction. It's called POVERTY.

Stealing from the"average man" is way too slow for the MOB.
Better to bilk the rich and remain in control of local and State governments that way.
I support enough criminal organizations with my taxes.
Won't do it by gambling too.


But hey ... if it's your thing then by all means ... enjoy !!

When I first started playing I would agree with that.
Now that I know the game intimately I find it a source
of money. It takes time to develop certain disciplines
that enable you to retain winnings and limit losses.

When I first started playing I would agree with that.
Now that I know the game intimately I find it a source
of money. It takes time to develop certain disciplines
that enable you to retain winnings and limit losses.

Much can be said for many of life's skills.

Like I said man. If your good at it, and enjoy it, then by all means.

Say what you want to Klugmo, but that game has some of the worst odds in a casino. There is NO WAY that you profit from it regularly. You may get lucky and walk out loaded some days, but for every day like that, there will be one and half other days, where you lose your ass. The odds are in THEIR favor, that's how they stay in business. On a game like blackjack however, you can change the "house advantage" and nullify their having a half-percent (or whatever it is) advantage, by using some form of card counting, as long as you don't get thrown out, and blackballed, by getting caught, or winning too much in too short a time.

My step father was a gambling addict. He thought he won all the time too.

Which, even at 12 years old, led me to question him as to why we ran out of money sometimes then, when he could just use the casino's like an ATM card!

He claimed it was because, to be good, was very STRESSFULL (Riiigggghhhht!) and so it is difficult to make a career at it, even when you win like he does (like he told himself he did)

Believing you win all the time, when gambling, is a sign of addiction.

I hope that's not the case for you brother!

Craig, I respect your opinion but you do assume an awful lot.
First of all the best hand in Black Jack gets you 1 1/2 times your bet.
The best bet in Roulette gets you 35 times your bet. These are facts.

The rest is perception. I know you rely on logic to find your answers
and that applies in most things but not in Roulette. The math keeps
you on a false road that convinces you beyond a shadow of a doubt
that it is unbeatable.

If you play the game the way it is logically designed to be played
then it is unbeatable. So the obvious solution is don't play that way.
Only an artistic mind can relate to that concept. I don't believe this is
the right forum for an in depth discussion about Roulette play.

There are 162 bets on an American wheel. Not one of them or
combination is the answer to winning.

the best hand in Black Jack gets you 1 1/2 times your bet.
The best bet in Roulette gets you 35 times your bet. These are facts.

Yeah, I get that. But, what do you think the odds are, that the 3 most losing horses in a race, win the top 3 positions, 1st, 2nd and 3rd in a single race? It's gonna make your 35 to 1 odds look paultry in comparison. Does that make it a good bet? Because the pay-off is so large?

On the contrary, it usually makes something the WORST bet!

I know you rely on logic to find your answers
and that applies in most things but not in Roulette.

It's a game of chance. Mathematically, it is a difficult game to win consistently, because the house advantage is too large on Roulette.

I was concerned about you, that's all. I don't know that you have a gambling problem. I don't know what you spend on it, and whether it is a problem for you economically or not.

I just know that your comment that you usually win, was a bright red flag to me.

btw... If you win that easily... I could use a few grand. That should only be an extra few bets for a regular winner like you brother! And since it is falling off trees like leaves, I am guessing it would be like giving up little more than a few pennies, to you, right?

What do you say?

I know you are being sarcastic.

If the riders are drunk, distracted and inexperienced.
That is what the track owners are banking on. That
does describe the typical player.

I do win regularly. It's not a matter of making the right
bet. It's a matter of money management. You see, you
will loose and you will win so the trick is managing those.
Maximize and minimize them appropriately.
The math is on your side if you look at it through your
eyes and not theirs.

Why would you automaticly see it as a negative when
I say I usually win?

You are conditioned.

You are conditioned.

I've been accused of worse!


What else can be said though?

You think I am a victim of conditioning, whereas I suspect, you are a victim of selective memory.

You spoke of being concerned because the "average man" cannot afford minimum bets of $25, and you preferred lower minimums. Why? Everything is relative. If you spend all day in a casino, betting only $25 a bet, and come out $500 ahead at the end of the day... why would you not be betting the $500 maximum bet instead, every time, and then you would be ahead $10,000 as opposed to a paultry $500!

Why would you not be doing this full time?

There are enough casinos in the world, to keep you busy and spread out enough, to not get banned from the casinos for awhile. Why not make it a career? How much more recording would you be doing then? Helping charities? Sending me a couple of grand, just because you can?

I'm having a hard time understanding how you could TRULY, win, more regularly than you lose, and yet you don't seem to have taken advantage of this great skill of yours.

It baffles me!

I know, that if there were truly some way of winning MORE in Roulette, than LOSING, and "I" knew how to do it.... well, let's see... I would be doing it full time, worldwide, never taking too much from any one casino or area at a time, and I would bankroll a fortune... and after a few years, when I got banned, for taking too much from them, I would then write a best-selling book, telling EVERYONE ELSE how to do it, and make a nice profit on the book sales and speaking engagements, to add to my saved casino winnings. Maybe even parlay the successful book, into being a paid guest on gambling shows, then maybe lend my name to a Roulette game for X-Box, PS3, Computer, etc...

But none of that is going to happen is it?

Craig can you try to be a bigger dick?

Let him alone, you moron.

You even sound like a dick.

Live and let live.

Well well you do have quite the imagination. That
scenario is even better than the one about the person who
grew up in musical surroundings and could play, write,
produce and record. Yet will not play for Kings and Queens
nor reach the Bill Board top 100 or parlay their success into
an acting role on TV or a movie. That person has enough
trouble holding their life together as it is without the rewards
of a bright successful musical career.

I'm glad neither of us has to worry about that kind of stuff.
I'm sure they would eventually just end up on the front
of the Enquirer with all the others.

You mentioned minimum bets. Minimum bets that are low, allow
people without larger sums of money to play. Remember, you
will loose as well as win so the lower minimums allow you to
get through the loosing periods if you recognize them. You
would then be able to recover and profit because the minimum
didn't wipe you out. $25=$50-$100 minimums are hard to survive.

Betting the max every time is as logical as betting the minimum
every time. As I told you before it's not about the bet. It's about
the money management. You can not control the math of the game.
You can control the math involving your money.

When I said you were conditioned I believe you took that
negatively because of your response. It is an observation
I have of most people that all respond that way. When they
hear the words casino, bet, gambling, wager, Las Vegas,
Atlantic City, any table game they automatically have
negative thoughts and feelings. This is because nearly everyone
who walks into a casino looses money. From the moment you
walk through the doors you are set up physically and emotionally
to loose and you don't even realize it. But still it's fun.

Conditioning is a funny thing. People have been conditioned
to believe their house mortgage is a safe risk. They believe their
401K and pensions are safe. There are so many places people
put their money that is completely out of their control. People
they have never laid their eyes on are manipulating and
moving their money around and taking chances with it.

You ask me to send you a couple thousand dollars.
What happened to the thousands you already earned
in your lifetime? Was it at risk somehow and you lost?

When I leave a casino and have won or lost. I have only
me to console or praise.
It is a constant battle when gambling, but like anything,
you can be smart or stupid about it.

Thank You Capt. but I have my own two shoes to stand in.


I only said I have an addictive personality.
That doesn't mean I'm addicted to everything I mention.
Conditioning again.

Craig being a dick... Shocking

He does kinda have a point though.

I like to play roulette and I have an artistic mind and I would like to win. We even discussed this very subject about a year ago. I would really like to hear more about how you manage the money so you win.

^^^ Not being sarcastic ^^^

An honest question.

When playing I would suggest that you play in a mobile fashion.
By that I mean playing short periods of time. Only expose your
money to the 35-1 odds. There are 38 numbers to cover so
if you bet on 19 positions you have made the odds of winning
50/50 right? This is better odds than the Black/Red bet.

When you play in a mobile fashion this means you train yourself
to cash in when you are up. For example when you start with
$100 and you find yourself with $200. A trigger inside you
should fire and you should go into what I call the 2 and out rule.
Continue to play until you have lost 2 in a row then cash out.
No excuses just cash out. This rule forces you to retain winnings.

Many things you must train yourself to do are against your natural
inclinations. When adrenolin is pumping from a win. It is very hard
to want to get away from that. To win you must do it.

Cashing out often makes you mobile and always finding a new
table or casino. When you play and are loosing learn to recognize
this and reduce your bets. Never stay at a table and play more
than your original buy in. Get up and find another table.

These are a few tips that have worked for me.
The game is much more involved and intuative for a
regular player but it's a learning process.